Wii U - did nintendo kill what could have been awesome.

When I heard nintendo was comming out with a new system I was very excited. I wasn't a huge fan of the wii, mainly graphics, hd, and online.

Then I saw the giant ipad controller and not much better than 360 graphics and was instantly let down.

> I was hoping for an enhanced versrion of the wii controll system, with far better than PS3 graphics, and a new feature like a better online setup

- Don't get me wrong I don't hate inovation, I was all for motion controll from day one, but the ipad-like controller seems very gimmicky and not practical, I don't think it will add much to the games, and since it's not required, seems pointless and a waste of money.

-- I would rather them put the money from the controllers into the graphical components of the system -[Biggest issue I have with the WiiU]

- And how much will those controllers cost? (answer: too much for me to buy one)

> Also no games were shown that really wowed me, I think they hurt themselves by not holding off on the anouncement for a year untill they could really impress people.

several developers stated they were happy with wiiu's specs, Crytek included.

When I heard nintendo was comming out with a new system I was very excited. I wasn't a huge fan of the wii, mainly graphics, hd, and online.

Then I saw the giant ipad controller and not much better than 360 graphics and was instantly let down.

killerneub

You do know what you saw was a bunch of multiplat trailers that were rendered with PC/consoles and not Wii-U and very rushed tech demos right? Not to mention the Japanese Garden tech demo is far better than anything consoles have produced.

> I was hoping for an enhanced versrion of the wii controll system, with far better than PS3 graphics, and a new feature like a better online setup

- Don't get me wrong I don't hate inovation, I was all for motion controll from day one, but the ipad-like controller seems very gimmicky and not practical, I don't think it will add much to the games, and since it's not required, seems pointless and a waste of money.

-- I would rather them put the money from the controllers into the graphical components of the system -[Biggest issue I have with the WiiU]

- And how much will those controllers cost? (answer: too much for me to buy one)

> Also no games were shown that really wowed me, I think they hurt themselves by not holding off on the anouncement for a year untill they could really impress people.

killerneub

Nintendo likes to innovate and not stay with the same stuff for more than a generation it seems. Developers rarely, if ever, took advantage of the Wiimote. We don't even know what the Wii-U is capable of. We haven't seen it's online componenet either.

It's not an iPad-like controller. It's a DS control scheme. Dual screens (TV and wii-u controller) with a single touch/stylus based touch screen. Give developers a chance to use it and you'll be amazed. Using the controller as a display also for when you don't have access to the TV is brilliant. That is going to sell the console to so many people simply because of that.

We don't know the specs, we don't know what it's capable of. Nintendo wants to keep the "look" of the Wii, so don't expect PC components from it. Don't expect them from the next PS/Xbox either. The controllers won't cost as much as people are saying they are. You can find tablets for under $100, and the Wii-U controller has MUCH less features than tablets, so it doesn't need all the power or components, therefor being not so expensive to make.

We don't know, and neither do you.

Nintendo pushed it out too early. They admitted this themselves. It's not that the presentation was bad, but they focused on the controller far too much and didn't explain it's a whole new console. It's not just a Wii with HD capabilities like non-gaming news outlets thought.

TL;DR. We know absolutely nothing about the Wii-U and we've seen absolutely nothing that shows what it is or what it can do.

It's not fair to say: don't judge it, you haven't seen what it can do or how they will make games for it.

- They put it out there for me to see, so I am going to judge it, and I did see how the controller was utilized. It had some cool functions but overall it's to bulky, not that innovative and will be too expensive (for what it's worth) I know it may cost only $70 at the store, but it's going to increase the console price.

you don't have to defend the console like you work for nintendo, sometimes nintendo's ideas are cool in theory but don't work out,.. like the virtual boy.

1. None of us know how much it will cost.
2. A large part of the innovation is down to how well developers use the controller, not its raw function.
3. Pictures on the Internet make everything look bigger than they actually are.
4. Just seeing a few pieces of footage and a photo of a console you haven't even tried is not enough to judge it, whether you think it is good or bad.

It's not fair to say: don't judge it, you haven't seen what it can do or how they will make games for it.

- They put it out there for me to see, so I am going to judge it, and I did see how the controller was utilized. It had some cool functions but overall it's to bulky, not that innovative and will be too expensive (for what it's worth) I know it may cost only $70 at the store, but it's going to increase the console price.

you don't have to defend the console like you work for nintendo, sometimes nintendo's ideas are cool in theory but don't work out,.. like the virtual boy.

killerneub

The simple answer is No, no they did not ruin what could be awesome.

Other than that, we cant say much more since we dont know anything about the console.

All we know is that the big name Western 3rd party devs seem to be happy with what the Wii U is capable of, which mind you, we dont know what it is capable of.

We know pretty much nothing about the system...so just be patient and wait for them to announce more.

I have a feeling that the next time they show us it, it will definately wow us.

The Wii U needs to have the option to at least add an External HDD. 8GB flash memory is not enough, My PSP Go has 16GB Flash memory. Nintendo needs to really get the Wii U right. As for the Graphical Power of the Wii U, If Nintendo could start turning that Legend of Zelda, Link VS the Spider Boss battle tech demo, or Even that Japanese Bird in the Sarced Temple Garden Tech demo. Into actual games, right now, The graphics seem to be OK for the Wii U.

As for the Wii U tablet controller, Nintendo should have the ability to use at least 2 of those with the Wii U console. I really don't expect to see a Wii U bundle with the Wii U console, a pack in Game, and 2 Wii U tablet controllers and a downloadable throw-in. Ever during the Wii U's lifespan, Ever.

Those new Controllers with 2 cameras, Motion controls "better than" PSmove/SixAxis or the original Wii. and traditional buttons, twin analog sticks, Plus the DS like resistive touch screen. With Blu tooth capabilites. Costing about $129.99 each. given all of the technological componets featured in these new controllers.

The Wii U hasn't lauched yet, I truly hope Nintendo has learned from the 3DS launch.

there really isn't enough reliable info about the wii u to get any sort of an impression about it. mainly we're hearing the same thing we hear every time a new console comes out ("wow this thing is way better than current consoles!" "hmm... it has some technical issues" etc etc). Hopefully Ninty starts finalizing stuff, so we can get some details.

I agree with you. From what I have seen thus far, it appears lackluster. However, like everyone has been saying, there are not enough details as of yet to provide such an early review. At this point, though, I am leaning on the side of passing this by.

-TitanVex

If all you care about are graphics then you should be playing on the PC, otherwise you need to get over it in a hurry buddy, console graphics aren't making a huge leap next Gen for anyone :PWreckEm711

-First off I definately don't only care about graphics, it's just nice to play games that look good, it's that simple.. same thing with movies. Of course if the movie sucks it doesn't matter how great the effects are ..(transformers 2), but it definately improves the enjoyment of gaming.

-- You can't play games like zelda and mariokart on the pc or I would go buy gaming PC

--- We have no idead what the other companies will put out, so you have no way of knowing that. And there's no way that by not having the ipad controller the gpu power couldn't be increased for the WiiU.

> A lot of you are defending it because we all don't know,.. I get it, but i'm going by what I saw, and I know that it wasn't the best performance it can put out, but it still wasn't as amazing as the first look at the 360, I remember gears of war blew my mind. I'm not taking a dump all over the WiiU i'm just saying maybe they didn't go in the best possible direction this time, maybe I'm wrong, but it's not fair to say I'm definitely wrong. I know it's very early, I'm just speculating.

[QUOTE="WreckEm711"]If all you care about are graphics then you should be playing on the PC, otherwise you need to get over it in a hurry buddy, console graphics aren't making a huge leap next Gen for anyone :Pkillerneub

-First off I definately don't only care about graphics, it's just nice to play games that look good, it's that simple.. same thing with movies. Of course if the movie sucks it doesn't matter how great the effects are ..(transformers 2), but it definately improves the enjoyment of gaming.

-- You can't play games like zelda and mariokart on the pc or I would go buy gaming PC

--- We have no idead what the other companies will put out, so you have no way of knowing that. And there's no way that by not having the ipad controller the gpu power couldn't be increased for the WiiU.

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[QUOTE="WreckEm711"]If all you care about are graphics then you should be playing on the PC, otherwise you need to get over it in a hurry buddy, console graphics aren't making a huge leap next Gen for anyone :PWreckEm711

-First off I definately don't only care about graphics, it's just nice to play games that look good, it's that simple.. same thing with movies. Of course if the movie sucks it doesn't matter how great the effects are ..(transformers 2), but it definately improves the enjoyment of gaming.

-- You can't play games like zelda and mariokart on the pc or I would go buy gaming PC

--- We have no idead what the other companies will put out, so you have no way of knowing that. And there's no way that by not having the ipad controller the gpu power couldn't be increased for the WiiU.

The Wii U needs to have the option to at least add an External HDD.

Megavideogamer

Uh, you didn't hear? External HDD support was announced at E3.

[QUOTE="WreckEm711"]If all you care about are graphics then you should be playing on the PC, otherwise you need to get over it in a hurry buddy, console graphics aren't making a huge leap next Gen for anyone :Pkillerneub

-First off I definately don't only care about graphics, it's just nice to play games that look good, it's that simple.. same thing with movies. Of course if the movie sucks it doesn't matter how great the effects are ..(transformers 2), but it definately improves the enjoyment of gaming.

-- You can't play games like zelda and mariokart on the pc or I would go buy gaming PC

--- We have no idead what the other companies will put out, so you have no way of knowing that. And there's no way that by not having the ipad controller the gpu power couldn't be increased for the WiiU.

> A lot of you are defending it because we all don't know,.. I get it, but i'm going by what I saw, and I know that it wasn't the best performance it can put out, but it still wasn't as amazing as the first look at the 360, I remember gears of war blew my mind. I'm not taking a dump all over the WiiU i'm just saying maybe they didn't go in the best possible direction this time, maybe I'm wrong, but it's not fair to say I'm definitely wrong. I know it's very early, I'm just speculating.

I feel your pain. The tablet thingy is not that impressive IMO. It's just a PS3/360 controller with a screen. How is that innovative? Putting the HUD or map on the screen? So what?

WM+ is alot more interesting and has so much untapped potential. But no developer is going to touch a non-standard controller. They're just going to port their PS3/360 projects with the same controls and call it a day. There are so many PS3/360 games this gen that would had been great with WM+. Too bad the wiimote is never going to get used.

Just wait until the next big multi-plat FPS comes out and there's no wiimote support. Promise.

I feel your pain. The tablet thingy is not that impressive IMO. It's just a PS3/360 controller with a screen. How is that innovative? Putting the HUD or map on the screen? So what?

WM+ is alot more interesting and has so much untapped potential. But no developer is going to touch a non-standard controller. They're just going to port their PS3/360 projects with the same controls and call it a day. There are so many PS3/360 games this gen that would had been great with WM+. Too bad the wiimote is never going to get used.

Just wait until the next big multi-plat FPS comes out and there's no wiimote support. Promise.

goblaa

I'm confused by your statement. If the U controller is just a PS3/360 controller with a screen, what would it matter if the next big multi-plat FPS comes out without wiimote support?

Besides, I do think you will see more support for motion controls with both the Move and Wiimotion + with 1-1 capabilities.

In addition, there is so much that game designers could do with a touch screen controller. Maps, inventory, alternate views/displays, and an additional input method will allow designers to do some very creative things.

I wouldn't be suprised if Sony and Microsoft release something similar with, or as a complement to, their next systems.

In addition, there is so much that game designers could do with a touch screen controller. Maps, inventory, alternate views/displays, and an additional input method will allow designers to do some very creative things.

mrfokken

I wouldn't consider any of those things to be particularly innovative or interesting.

And I just don't see any developer taking the time to support a controller that's not standard. The wii was compatible with gamecube controllers, but nearly all devs didn't support it because it wasn't standard.

I agree the wii-mote does have a huge amount of untapped potential. I know it will be backwards compatible, but why not focus on perfecting the wii-mote's senitivity and maybe change up the nun-chuck by adding more sensitivity so you can play dual wielding shooters and controll both guns (or light sabers; ) and more impressive things for non shooters. It's almost as if they said, everyone loves tablets, lets put one on a controller.

- I love the wii-mote and my arms aren't tired yet, so it's too bad they didn't make that their focus of ongoing innovation in motion control.

[QUOTE="mrfokken"]

In addition, there is so much that game designers could do with a touch screen controller. Maps, inventory, alternate views/displays, and an additional input method will allow designers to do some very creative things.

goblaa

I wouldn't consider any of those things to be particularly innovative or interesting.

And I just don't see any developer taking the time to support a controller that's not standard. The wii was compatible with gamecube controllers, but nearly all devs didn't support it because it wasn't standard.

I understand what you are saying, but for multiplats, I don't see where there would be a lot of extra programming to display a map or inventory screen at the same time as the main screen. Such screens are already part of most games, you just have to pause to get to them. Thus, it is not like having to program for multiple controller options on the same console. (Most Wii owners don't have Gamecube controllers, why would you have expected devs to add support for them?)

As far as being innovative or interesting, devs make games for systems that

1. have the potential to make them money

2. have the hardware to fulfil their vision.

It is the developers that will be left to innovate with the controller and make it interesting. A controller on its own is usually not that interesting.

It is the developers that will be left to innovate with the controller and make it interesting. A controller on its own is usually not that interesting.

mrfokken

Hence why I don't see anything all that interesting ever happening with the tablet. I don't trust developers to put in any effort.

It's impossible to say anything definitive about the WiiU's power or the usefulness of its controller.meetroid8

When I heard nintendo was comming out with a new system I was very excited. I wasn't a huge fan of the wii, mainly graphics, hd, and online.

Then I saw the giant ipad controller and not much better than 360 graphics and was instantly let down.

> I was hoping for an enhanced versrion of the wii controll system, with far better than PS3 graphics, and a new feature like a better online setup

- Don't get me wrong I don't hate inovation, I was all for motion controll from day one, but the ipad-like controller seems very gimmicky and not practical, I don't think it will add much to the games, and since it's not required, seems pointless and a waste of money.

-- I would rather them put the money from the controllers into the graphical components of the system -[Biggest issue I have with the WiiU]

- And how much will those controllers cost? (answer: too much for me to buy one)

> Also no games were shown that really wowed me, I think they hurt themselves by not holding off on the anouncement for a year untill they could really impress people.

killerneub

[QUOTE="mrfokken"]

In addition, there is so much that game designers could do with a touch screen controller. Maps, inventory, alternate views/displays, and an additional input method will allow designers to do some very creative things.

goblaa

I wouldn't consider any of those things to be particularly innovative or interesting.

And I just don't see any developer taking the time to support a controller that's not standard. The wii was compatible with gamecube controllers, but nearly all devs didn't support it because it wasn't standard.

1. None of us know how much it will cost.
2. A large part of the innovation is down to how well developers use the controller, not its raw function.
3. Pictures on the Internet make everything look bigger than they actually are.
4. Just seeing a few pieces of footage and a photo of a console you haven't even tried is not enough to judge it, whether you think it is good or bad.

pikaby

Since your post is simple and straightforward, I'd like to counterpoint a few of the things you mentioned, just for the sake of adding a different perspective.

1. True, but that's as much of a negative as it is a positive. The Wii U is the third Nintendo system of late that the company has been silent on in regards to price after its reveal. This move worked out extremely well for one system (Wii) and really bad for the other (3DS). Based on what Nintendo is aiming for with this system, though, I'd be more willing to bet that the system's cost will not be the most consumer-friendly, especially when considering the price of the other HD systems, the resources it's going to take to mass-produce the Wii U, the Wii U tablet itself, and possibly even the fact that the 3DS is costing the company monety at the moment. I'm not going to even touch on what Satoru Iwata even said about the system's cost, which is alarming enough.

2. Which means I don't think we'll be seeing much innovation coming from the Wii U tablet, then. All of the tablet's tech is within other Nintendo platforms, and while that helped the DS to create a very unique and fresh brand of software, third party developers did next to nothing with the Wii and the 3DS's library has been anything but innovative. The biggest draw to the Wii U's tablet will not be all of the tech Nintendo has crammed into the thing, but rather the fact that it's basically an oversized traditional controller.

3. If I'm not mistaken, the touch screen of the Wii U is more than six inches wide; that's already larger than most controllers on the market today, and there still has to be room for about a dozen buttons the system will have.

4. Perhaps that's merely a matter of perspective. If we can look at game footage and screenshots to help us determine whether or not we want a certain game, what makes an actual console that much different, especially if you know the direction it's going in and some of the games that will be released for it? It would be one thing if Nintendo had kept the Wii U more of a secret, but I think most people that are interested or disinterested in the system at this point has an idea what to expect. The situation isn't the same as it was with the DS or Wii where we were talking about totally new concepts and ideals. The direction Nintendo is heading in is not unlike that that the other consoles head in all the time, even in spite of the way Nintendo's going about it.

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[QUOTE="mrfokken"]

In addition, there is so much that game designers could do with a touch screen controller. Maps, inventory, alternate views/displays, and an additional input method will allow designers to do some very creative things.

bonesawisready5

I wouldn't consider any of those things to be particularly innovative or interesting.

And I just don't see any developer taking the time to support a controller that's not standard. The wii was compatible with gamecube controllers, but nearly all devs didn't support it because it wasn't standard.

You misunderstand, I'm not saying that devs won't support the tablet, I'm saying they will ONLY support the tablet. The wiimote is as good as dead. That's the problem.

And I just don't see any third party dev using the tablet in an intersting way.

I am buying a Wii U day 1 for 2 reasons. 1-Where else can you play Nintendo games. 2-Because when my wife want to kick me off the TV, i can keep playing my game on the controller. Wii is my fav system this gen, but i am just a dissapointed by the graphic issue then anyone. I have always only had a PC/Nintendo, and this is the first time i felt like i was missing out on games...so i had to get a PS3. But if games like BF3 or Batman AC are going to be next to mario and zelda, why have other consoles? da_chub

Huge ditto here, my Fiancee has been on a Sex and the City binge and the WiiU would be so helpful for me right now :(

i just hope the wiimote is an optional control for some of their games and for some 3rd party games(mainly shooters)

because if nintendo is wiiu tablet only for all their games then it looks like im done with FPS :(

i just hope the wiimote is an optional control for some of their games and for some 3rd party games(mainly shooters)

because if nintendo is wiiu tablet only for all their games then it looks like im done with FPS :(

KBFloYd

Don't expect any third party develper to support the wiimote. I wonder if even metroid or zelda will ever use the wiimote again? The wiimote is going to be used for games like carnival games and rabbids and that's it.

[QUOTE="KBFloYd"]

i just hope the wiimote is an optional control for some of their games and for some 3rd party games(mainly shooters)

because if nintendo is wiiu tablet only for all their games then it looks like im done with FPS :(

goblaa

Don't expect any third party develper to support the wiimote. I wonder if even metroid or zelda will ever use the wiimote again? The wiimote is going to be used for games like carnival games and rabbids and that's it.

but there is PSmove...since both sony and nintendo use it it might get some support... i really hope your wrong..

motion controls are here to stay..i dont think it was just a fad..

[QUOTE="bonesawisready5"][QUOTE="goblaa"]

I wouldn't consider any of those things to be particularly innovative or interesting.

And I just don't see any developer taking the time to support a controller that's not standard. The wii was compatible with gamecube controllers, but nearly all devs didn't support it because it wasn't standard.

goblaa

You misunderstand, I'm not saying that devs won't support the tablet, I'm saying they will ONLY support the tablet. The wiimote is as good as dead. That's the problem.

And I just don't see any third party dev using the tablet in an intersting way.

I would much rather play a shooter with the wii-mote rather than a touch screen. If I have to pause to call an air strike, I consider that to be a skill of the game to find cover for a moment. Plus that can't be done when someone is watching TV and you are playing using the controller's screen, and that's their main argument of why it is such a great innovation.

- If the controller could connect to the system through wi-fi like a remote desktop and you could play on the go anywhere I would have no doubts on how awesome it would be, however that's not the case... so I'm just a little dissapointed, but I will still probably buy it.

[QUOTE="goblaa"]

[QUOTE="bonesawisready5"] Um, what? The Wii U Tab Controller is standard, its the Wii U's main controller. Why wouldn't they support it? So many devs are already raving about it and how awesome it is. You won't have to pause for a moment in COD to select an air strike location because you can do it on the fly with the Wii U controller, you can better pin point locations for console RTSs, and so many more possibilities open up with that controllerbonesawisready5

You misunderstand, I'm not saying that devs won't support the tablet, I'm saying they will ONLY support the tablet. The wiimote is as good as dead. That's the problem.

And I just don't see any third party dev using the tablet in an intersting way.

No I don't. The wiimote was already very well set-up to revoltionize RTSs on consoles, but not one dev in 5 years touched it and they're not about to start now. Plus, touch screen controls would be really akward. How would they work in an RTS? It's easy enough to move a curser around with the touch screen, its another to be looking at your TV while doing it. How will you know where to click if you can't look down? If you have to look where you are clicking every time you do an action, why even bother with the TV?

Issues aside, it's not that I don't think the wiiu tablet is incapable of great controls, it's that the wiimote is equally capable of great controls too and its now dead forever.

But don't get your hopes up for a console RTS. It won't happen.

I would much rather play a shooter with the wii-mote rather than a touch screen. If I have to pause to call an air strike, I consider that to be a skill of the game to find cover for a moment. Plus that can't be done when someone is watching TV and you are playing using the controller's screen, and that's their main argument of why it is such a great innovation.

- If the controller could connect to the system through wi-fi like a remote desktop and you could play on the go anywhere I would have no doubts on how awesome it would be, however that's not the case... so I'm just a little dissapointed, but I will still probably buy it.

killerneub

Ditto. Shooters just contol better with the wiimote. Touch screen isn't good enough and dual analog is down right unplayable.

If you want to call air strikes without pausing the game, do it like the cell phone in shattered memories. Have a in-game screen pop up in the character's hand and point at it all in real time.

I think there's a possibility that the Wii U will be dated when the next-gen Sony and Microsoft systems come out. And the Wii U isn't the most creative name in the world.

I think there's a possibility that the Wii U will be dated when the next-gen Sony and Microsoft systems come out. And the Wii U isn't the most creative name in the world.

MathMattS