You're Wrong, People DO Like Them, Facts Don't Lie

In my other critically acclaimed thread HERE I made the point that we should let any dev that wants to make a game make that game. Other scoffed (and one guy was insultive).

Their main point was that it's a waste of time and money.

That brings me to my newest point (drumroll please)

PEOPLE LIKE THESE GAMES!

Don't believe me? Check this out.....

Carnival Games - 4 out of 5 star rating HERE

Out of 92 reviews 66 of them are 4 star or higher, only 16 of them are 2 star or lower.

Game Party - 3 3/4th's out of 5 star rating HERE

Out of 25 reviews 17 of them are 4 stars or higher, only 4 of them are 2 stars or lower

Mario and Sonic At the Olympic Games - 4 out of 5 star rating HERE

Out of 80 reviews 60 of them are 4 stars or higher, only 10 of them 2 stars or lower

EA Playground - 4 out of 5 star rating HERE

Out of 12 reviews 9 of them are 4 stars or higher, only 1 of them is 2 stars or lower

Wii Play - 3 3/4th's out of 5 star rating HERE

Out of 383 reviews 243 of them are 4 stars or higher, only 60 of them are 2 stars or lower

Mario Party - 4 stars out of 5 rating HERE

Out of 100 reviews 66 of them are 4 stars or higher, only 16 of them are 2 stars or lower

Big Brain Academy - 4 out of 5 star rating HERE

Out of 47 reviews 35 of them are 4 stars or higher, only 7 of them are 7 stars or lower

Cooking Mama - 4 out of 5 star rating HERE

Out of 38 reviews 24 of them are 4 star or higher, only 9 are 2 stars or lower

My Sims - 4 out of 5 star rating HERE

Out of 32 reviews 21 of them are 4 star or higher, only 4 are 2 star or lower

And I end this with the best one that I LOVE to show all of you that say we need limits...

Hannah Montana - 4 out of 5 star rating HERE

Out of 32 reviews 25 of them are 4 star or higher, only 6 are 2 star or lower

There you go, this isn't a set of ratings from review sites. It's people who are BUYING the games. They're ENJOYING what they buy. They're actually glad they bought Wii Play or Mario Party or even (gasp!) Hannah Montana.

This is why we don't need rules for what games can be made on the Wii.

Just because you don't like them you think no one will? You're wrong.

One man trash is another man's treasure I say, although I did like mp8 quite a bit.IronManRhino

I agree. The majority of the people that bought those games intended on liking them. If I bought it, and many others who would not buy it did also, it is likely If they rated it would give it a lower score. So yes, people that like those games give them good scores, which is not your point but is seemingly the truth. Correct me if I am wrong.

In my other critically acclaimed thread HERE I made the point that we should let any dev that wants to make a game make that game. Other scoffed (and one guy was insultive).

Their main point was that it's a waste of time and money.

That brings me to my newest point (drumroll please)

PEOPLE LIKE THESE GAMES!

Don't believe me? Check this out.....

Carnival Games - 4 out of 5 star rating HERE

Out of 92 reviews 66 of them are 4 star or higher, only 16 of them are 2 star or lower.

Game Party - 3 3/4th's out of 5 star rating HERE

Out of 25 reviews 17 of them are 4 stars or higher, only 4 of them are 2 stars or lower

Mario and Sonic At the Olympic Games - 4 out of 5 star rating HERE

Out of 80 reviews 60 of them are 4 stars or higher, only 10 of them 2 stars or lower

EA Playground - 4 out of 5 star rating HERE

Out of 12 reviews 9 of them are 4 stars or higher, only 1 of them is 2 stars or lower

Wii Play - 3 3/4th's out of 5 star rating HERE

Out of 383 reviews 243 of them are 4 stars or higher, only 60 of them are 2 stars or lower

Mario Party - 4 stars out of 5 rating HERE

Out of 100 reviews 66 of them are 4 stars or higher, only 16 of them are 2 stars or lower

Big Brain Academy - 4 out of 5 star rating HERE

Out of 47 reviews 35 of them are 4 stars or higher, only 7 of them are 7 stars or lower

Cooking Mama - 4 out of 5 star rating HERE

Out of 38 reviews 24 of them are 4 star or higher, only 9 are 2 stars or lower

My Sims - 4 out of 5 star rating HERE

Out of 32 reviews 21 of them are 4 star or higher, only 4 are 2 star or lower

And I end this with the best one that I LOVE to show all of you that say we need limits...

Hannah Montana - 4 out of 5 star rating HERE

Out of 32 reviews 25 of them are 4 star or higher, only 6 are 2 star or lower

There you go, this isn't a set of ratings from review sites. It's people who are BUYING the games. They're ENJOYING what they buy. They're actually glad they bought Wii Play or Mario Party or even (gasp!) Hannah Montana.

This is why we don't need rules for what games can be made on the Wii.

Just because you don't like them you think no one will? You're wrong.

Jaysonguy

i lol'd big time at the Hanna montanna one. But honestly, yuor point still stands loud and proud. People need to shut up and not buy the game if they don't like, because last time i checked, thet chose the wii over ps3 and 360 (like i did) for a reason. no one forced to buy it. they did because they didn't like the other consoles. but that isn't to say that other people don't feel love for the other consoles (just so everyone can know, there ARE people who like Wii Play over SMG).

Are you talking to one specific person in saying "You're wrong" or are you making a general blanket statement? But anyway, I would like to know why anyone would try to argue that, because there is a chance a bad game could be released on WiiWare, means Nintendo should monitor everything thats going to be posted and I guess, "block" "bad" games from being released. Has no one thats trying to make that point ever walked through a mall? People make crap all the time and sell it to the public. Thats the whole idea behind CHOICE. I don't remember who made the point, but who ever did was absolutely right: If you aren't interested in the game thats being sold, then you don't buy it. You're not going to be forced to play it. That's not really a hard thing to understand or wrap your head around. So I'm going to say that I agree with the point being made above in the original post, although I would never play Hannah Montana, I still have a brain that understands all the little girls who are obsessed with her are going to want to play her games and like them, whether I do or not.

And also facts may not lie, but statistics are always biased and off to some degree. They are never 100% accurate. To say a statistic is a fact, is kinda stretching it.

Are you talking to one specific person in saying "You're wrong" or are you making a general blanket statement?

wilsn2019

The top of the thread explains it. If you think that "novice/casual/not core gamer" games are bad and should be limited because they're awful then you're wrong. Heck if you think they should just be limited you're also wrong.

And also facts may not lie, but statistics are always biased and off to some degree. They are never 100% accurate. To say a statistic is a fact, is kinda stretching it.

wilsn2019

There's no statistics here when it comes to the bottom line, the fact is that these people are enjoying their purchases at a very high clip. It's not a swarm of 3's right in the middle.

Someone liking the game is fact, the numbers of those who like it compared to those who doesn't are more of an added feature for number buffs lol

Hannah Montana - 4 out of 5 star rating HERE

Out of 32 reviews 25 of them are 4 star or higher, only 6 are 2 star or lower

Jaysonguy

You have GOT to be kidding me o_O

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

Hannah Montana - 4 out of 5 star rating HERE

Out of 32 reviews 25 of them are 4 star or higher, only 6 are 2 star or lower

MooCowRocks

You have GOT to be kidding me o_O

I think that's the happiest two sentences I've typed on here all week, maybe the month lol

This just shows that we don't need someone monitoring the games that are made. If some had their way we'd never see a Hannah Montana game.

Thankfully for the owners of that game they were allowed to make it and release it.

me and some friends rented hannah montana.

funnest. game. ever!

You forget that most people don't know how to review a game, and though they may like it, it still doesn't deserve 4 or 5 stars.

Take Red Steel, for example. One person on Gamestop gave it a 5/5 rating because "you cn go gangsta style OMG!!!!!!!!" The game was riddled with bugs and poor "insert game mechanic", and didn't deserve a 5/5.

Here's another one. Someone gave Rock Band a 1 here because "the drums dont simulate the real experience." His actual claim wasn't that well-worded, but anyways, if the drum mechanic wasn't great, it STILL deserved something more because it was innovative.

I believe anyone that wants to make a NEW game should be able to. As long as it isn't the same old crap to get money, I'm on-board. That's what WiiWare is for. People may enjoy them, but these aren't great games.

You forget that most people don't know how to review a game, and though they may like it, it still doesn't deserve 4 or 5 stars.

Take Red Steel, for example. One person on Gamestop gave it a 5/5 rating because "you cn go gangsta style OMG!!!!!!!!" The game was riddled with bugs and poor "insert game mechanic", and didn't deserve a 5/5.

Here's another one. Someone gave Rock Band a 1 here because "the drums dont simulate the real experience." His actual claim wasn't that well-worded, but anyways, if the drum mechanic wasn't great, it STILL deserved something more because it was innovative.

Arkthemaniac

Yes they do know how to review a game, they know if they enjoy the game or not. That's all anyone cares about when it comes to games. Sure we can get all fancy and break down games until they're not any fun anymore but when you play a game you just want to have fun.

Did you enjoy it?

Yes I did

Great

The person who likes Red Still loves it and that's his right, do you see it the same way? Obviously not, but he's enjoying it so what's the matter that there's a game that he loves and you avoid?

Same with Rock Band. That one person was disappointed with it and wish they didn't buy it. Would I share the same view? Probably not.

You also need to keep in mind that the people who played these games are the kind of people that would enjoy them. Somone on these boards, for example, would love a game like Super Mario Galaxy because that's a game catered towards us. The person who bought a game like Hannah Montana is the kind of person who would enjoy that game. If the people who reviewed these games reviewed something like Resident Evil 4, it's very possible RE4 will wind up being the lowest scoring game of them all.JAB991

Wow some people have bad taste.Lunar52

Please, please. Different taste.

I don't mind games like Hannah Montana being made, as long as they don't interfere with the making of games that I actually like.

And if they do interfere, well, it's a democracy. I won't be happy, but that won't change anything.

Hannah Montana - 4 out of 5 star rating HERE

Out of 32 reviews 25 of them are 4 star or higher, only 6 are 2 star or lower

Jaysonguy

A number of the people here who think that they're "hardcore" are just being really selfish. It's always about what they want, and they're blind to the fact that these games are not "junk" to everyone. Eventually they'll grow up and realize that the world doesn't revolve around them and there's nothing they can do about it.

So don't be surprised if we see a few more threads about "too many (insert genre here) games!!!". And when I say "few", I mean at least one a week.

I'm sorry, when did fanboys stoop to praising shovelware as a defense?-kazoku-

Did you actually read the thread? No? Ok

Onto the rest of this thread....

I find it interesting that many people are posting that people enjoy these games because they don't know they're not supposed to like them. As far as many are concerned these people need an intervention.

Hannah Montana user: Boy I sure like this game

Forum Poster: WAIT! That's not a critically praised game, you're not having fun.

Hannah Montana user: I'm not? I'm pretty sure I was having fun....

Forum Poster: No you weren't, that wasn't fun.

Hannah Montana user: Whew, thank you for saving me, how about feeling happy I bought the game?

Forum Poster: That's a lie also.

This reminds me of JaysonguyJakendo

OMG!!! You just made my day with that!!!

Just because a game is liked by some people doesn't mean that everyone likes it. It seems to me that if you review minigames extremley high, that just means that you like different types of games. Those people are most likely casual gamers Then they are more likely to review other games, often great games such as metroid prime or Zelda down a lot of notches becaus they like different types of games. The people who buy casual games on online sites are probably casual gamers so they are more likely to review it higher, Hardcore gamers wouldn't touch junk like Wii Play.einsteinking314

Hardcore gamers already touch on Wii Play for the free wiimote.

[QUOTE="Jakendo"]This reminds me of JaysonguyNiff_T

OMG!!! You just made my day with that!!!

He made everyone's lol

I love it

Being on a video game message board, I'm going to assume most people here are here because they've been gamers for a while and don't play those kinds of garbage games. All of the scores you posted mean jack to the people here as well. How about instead of going to Amazon you use a place that applies to everyone here.

-You saw all the links in the other thread-

There is no way that any of those games are must haves. Most of them are just quick cash ins because developers are too lazy to make games gamers want to play. No one here freaking cares if some person out there is enjoyinggames like those especially if there's a ton of those games coming out and only a handful of games gamers want to play every year.

Being on a video game message board, I'm going to assume most people here are here because they've been gamers for a while and don't play those kinds of garbage games. All of the scores you posted mean jack to the people here as well. How about instead of going to Amazon you use a place that applies to everyone here.

-You saw all the links in the other thread-

There is no way that any of those games are must haves. Most of them are just quick cash ins because developers are too lazy to make games gamers want to play. No one here freaking cares if some person out there is enjoyinggames like those especially if there's a ton of those games coming out and only a handful of games gamers want to play every year.

forgot_it

First of all, thank you very much for moving this over here, I appreciate it and I'm sure JAB does as well.

Now onto what you posted (plus the scores from GameRakings in case anyone wonders what you left out)

The scores I posted mean much, much more then GameRankings. Gamerankings is used for people "in the know" about gaming and in many ways to satisfy our need to have our likes validated. It's not just a review on if the game is broken or not but it's also stroking the fans ego about a game. There's a certain amount of bragging rights (inane as it is) about a game scoring high by people "who know the business"

The scores I shows are from real people who spent their money and have enjoyed their purchase. They don't care that it got a 4 in art direction or any of the other minutia that review sites talk about. That's for gamers to strip the games down to analyze every single byte and bit. It's a gamer's right to analyze these things and it's other people's right not to do it now or ever.

Everyone here should care that these games are being made and that people are buying them because the bottom line is that people are liking them. For every ignorant post that says that "So and so game should never be made" that means you're taking away a game that someone enjoys.

People here should also care because in some of these cases these are people that normally wouldn't plunk down 49.99US on a game to play so that's increased revenue for Nintendo. If you're a fan of anything that Nintendo does that should be a reason to support these people and their interests even if their tastes don't match with yours.

Also customers matter more then reviews because that's what keeps games being made. Games aren't developed for good scores they're developed to make money. The consumer has the power in the video game industry and these people are doing it. It's these people buying the games that makes sure there will be more games they'll enjoy. That's good for them, good for us, and good for Nintendo.

This is why no one should ever mind that their Smash Bros and Mario Galaxy are on the same shelf as Hannah Montana and My Sims. They're both the same exact thing, games that a certain audience will enjoy.

The gamer doesn't have any more rights then the novice and vice versa. Customers support the games they like and the devs make more of those games. There is no need to say that certain games are awful and shouldn't be made if people are enjoying them.

It's certainly not right to say that because these games get low scores on review sites their worth is somehow less when others enjoy them. Look how well that did to Okami, the game was praised everywhere and now the devs sleep in their car.

If people buy and enjoy certain games there is no reason not to keep making them at the same pace if not more often.

Some of you guys aren't getting it, for God's sake! It's pretty simple to follow, I don't know what's so difficult about this.

This thread isn't about "Hey, certain people like these games, so you should too!" If that's what you think this thread is about, you're an idiot.

This thread is saying "Hey, certain people like these games, so maybe you should stop questioning why the companies make them."

People like the games, so what? Does that mean that you have to like them? No.

It's not aboutwhat scores they get from reviewers. That's not the point here. The point is that people actually like the games regardless of the score.

Does a bad score equal a crappy game to everyone? You think that your taste is the only taste allowed? Stop being so selfish, it's not always about you, you, you. It's not always what you want.

Besides, there are plenty of games available that you can and will enjoy, does every game need to be "AA+"? You wouldn't have the time to play them, nor the money to buy them, so why do you care?

I can guarantee you that 95% of the people here do not own all of the top 25 games of the Wii's best reviewed games, so why not go buy one of those and stop complaining that there aren't enough good games?

[QUOTE="Niff_T"]

[QUOTE="Jakendo"]This reminds me of JaysonguyJaysonguy

OMG!!! You just made my day with that!!!

He made everyone's lol

I love it

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"][QUOTE="Niff_T"]

[QUOTE="Jakendo"]This reminds me of Jaysonguyc-joel1121

OMG!!! You just made my day with that!!!

He made everyone's lol

I love it

You didn't think that was a funny cartoon?

good thing there are people who understand. oh how i wonder what will happen if this was ever posted in SW. Hey Jaysonguy how about posting it in SW?

Some of you guys aren't getting it, for God's sake! It's pretty simple to follow, I don't know what's so difficult about this.

This thread isn't about "Hey, certain people like these games, so you should too!" If that's what you think this thread is about, you're an idiot.

This thread is saying "Hey, certain people like these games, so maybe you should stop questioning why the companies make them."

People like the games, so what? Does that mean that you have to like them? No.

It's not aboutwhat scores they get from reviewers. That's not the point here. The point is that people actually like the games regardless of the score.

Does a bad score equal a crappy game to everyone? You think that your taste is the only taste allowed? Stop being so selfish, it's not always about you, you, you. It's not always what you want.

Besides, there are plenty of games available that you can and will enjoy, does every game need to be "AA+"? You wouldn't have the time to play them, nor the money to buy them, so why do you care?

I can guarantee you that 95% of the people here do not own all of the top 25 games of the Wii's best reviewed games, so why not go buy one of those and stop complaining that there aren't enough good games?

bob_newman

nice post. i totally concur.

No, it wasn't funny to me. The cartoon shows how people like to pretend to be judges.

For me as a gamer, i personally am not really interested in the minor details of how the game is structured. Like graphics or technicalities that dont really affect a game. It only becomes a big factor when the overall experience is affected by the gameplay.

Although i have reviewed some games on this site, it really isn't a big deal, because in the end, it all comes down to whether i enjoy the game, or not. When im playing, i dont analyse the minor things such as graphics or minor glitches. Either i like it, or not. This leads to personal preference. Everyone has different tastes. I might not like the Hannah Montana game, doesnt mean no one else will.

I bet if every person who enjoys any type of videogame (to eliminate anti-gaming bias) was forced to play these games and give them a score they wouldn't have such high scoressnowman6251

But that's the great thing; nobody is forced to play them.

Your taste is not the only taste, you know?

well alot of casual's (AKA more than the half of gaming population) don't expect a complicated story or if its intuitive or not, they just wan't a fun game that is not complicated or just that appeal to them

I bet if every person who enjoys any type of videogame (to eliminate anti-gaming bias) was forced to play these games and give them a score they wouldn't have such high scoressnowman6251

2 flaws

1. Let's always keep gaming an option rather then a chore. It's supposed to be entertainment, not a job. (unless it IS your job and then totally hook me up with one too)

2. Why are people playing something they don't want to play? I'm sure the greatest games of all time would be scored lower in customer satisfaction if people who didn't want to play the game were forced to review it.

I don't understand why all these people who enjoy the games are wrong. They like them and they were SO happy about the game they wanted to share their thoughts on a shopping site.

Mind you the site I gave isn't like this one. There's no selling done here at all. This is simply for people to look at games and then look at them closer then look at them closer again. The people on the site I linked are saying "I paid money for this game and I really liked it, I think you might too"

[QUOTE="-kazoku-"]I'm sorry, when did fanboys stoop to praising shovelware as a defense?Jaysonguy

Did you actually read the thread? No? Ok

Onto the rest of this thread....

I find it interesting that many people are posting that people enjoy these games because they don't know they're not supposed to like them. As far as many are concerned these people need an intervention.

Hannah Montana user: Boy I sure like this game

Forum Poster: WAIT! That's not a critically praised game, you're not having fun.

Hannah Montana user: I'm not? I'm pretty sure I was having fun....

Forum Poster: No you weren't, that wasn't fun.

Hannah Montana user: Whew, thank you for saving me, how about feeling happy I bought the game?

Forum Poster: That's a lie also.

I'm pretty sure I read the thread but thanks for revealing your bias. It saved me the trouble. The fact that uneducated people actually like these games isn't much of a defense. Sorry to point out that gigantic loophole in your argument.