Jay-Z: " 'I've Inspired A Generation Of Bad Writers'"
By Jayson Rodriguez
NEW YORK - Jay-Z, whose "Rain Man" recording process finds him mumbling words to himself in the studio before stepping into the booth to spit out a complete song, definitely has the corner locked when it comes to rappers composing full songs in their heads. Young tikes like Chris Brown and Sean Kingston even cite Hov as an inspiration for their own songwriting processes.
"I've inspired a generation of bad writers," Jay joked to MTV News last week.
But the Def Jam president and iconic rapper obviously wrote down lyrics at one point in time. In fact, he revealed the last time he actually did so was for "Can I Live," a standout track on his 1996 debut, Reasonable Doubt.
"What happened was, I was doing that song with someone else, and they heard the first verse and they was like, 'Man, you take that song. Finish it, 'cause it sounds like you got a lot more to say,' " Jay explained in a lengthy interview in which he discussed lyrics and songwriting. "You know, that type of thing. So I just wanted to get it down quick, I didn't want to keep going over it. It was like [the album] mastering time, so I just sat down in the booth and wrote that [verse]."
The verse contains multiple gems over the woozy, horn-laden production, like the lines: "I stepped it up another level, meditated like a Buddhist/ Recruited lieutenants with ludicrous dreams of getting cream/ Let's do this, it gets te-di-ous/ So I keep one eye open like, C-B-S, you see me stressed, right?"
According to Irv Gotti, who produced the track, the song was supposed to be a collaboration between Jay and a member of the rap group Original Flavor. Gotti mentioned he believed Nas was also set to appear on the track, too. But after the OF member passed on the guest appearance, Jay got to work finishing the song.
"From what I remember, he actually didn't write the full verse," Gotti wrote in an e-mail to MTV News. "But since the verse was so long, he wrote a few words down, and that made him remember the whole verse."
Although Jay has since long given up writing down lyrics himself, his advice for one of his nephews, who's an aspiring MC in his own right, is to write as much as possible. Repetition is the key to perfection, according to Jay.
"Why I tell him to write every day is because iit's like anything else: [You have to] practice," he said. "Basketball players play basketball their whole life, they practice every day. It only makes sense. You can only get better. The repetition. The more you do it you can only get better."
Jay has long since removed himself from the writing process, however he admitted the notion of actually penning lyrics does still appeal to him. So much so that he wanted to write down lyrics for The Black Album, which he believed was going to be his last album. But he couldn't shake the process that he's made so famous.
"It just felt better [the way I do it now]," Jay said. "In my mind, I wanted to sit down and write and do this thing a certain way. But your natural process is your process. It's difficult to go back to what you were doing when you were 15 or 16, but my process is different [now]. It sounds great on paper, 'I'm gonna sit down and write this entire album like I did before.' But once you get back in the studio and you been doing this process for years and years, it just felt natural to do it the way I been doing it. No paper, no pen, just listen to the music and do it."
Source-MTV
Jay-Z hasn't influenced anyone. Who can seriously like this piece of trash. His wack rapping is only saved by the great beats he gets. After Reasonable Doubt he fell off hard.TheBigTicket21
Eminem's acceptance speech for best rap album (The Eminem Show):
"I made me a little list of MCs that I wanted to name off that inspired me to, to bring me where I am today - cause honestly, I wouldn't be here without them. So the list goes like this, and it's not in this order, but the list is this: Run-D.M.C., the Beastie Boys, LL Cool J, Kool G. Rap, Masta Ace, Rakim, Big Daddy Kane, Dr. Dre, all of N.W.A., KRS-One, Treach from Naughty by Nature, Nas, 2Pac, Biggie, Jay-Z. Thank you, 'cause I learned from all of you. Thank you."
Right,:|
Jay-Z hasn't influenced anyone. Who can seriously like this piece of trash. His wack rapping is only saved by the great beats he gets. After Reasonable Doubt he fell off hard.TheBigTicket21^^^ that
I disagree with the great beats except for Reasonable Doubt and a few Preem joints. Atleast he admits he's bad. His lyrics have dumbed down to the level of retardation. If he still has it in him hopefully he can do an album with the skills he had Reasonable Doubt and before. He had one of the sickest deliveries before RD
[QUOTE="TheBigTicket21"]Jay-Z hasn't influenced anyone. Who can seriously like this piece of trash. His wack rapping is only saved by the great beats he gets. After Reasonable Doubt he fell off hard.Proobie44
Eminem's acceptance speech for best rap album (The Eminem Show):
"I made me a little list of MCs that I wanted to name off that inspired me to, to bring me where I am today - cause honestly, I wouldn't be here without them. So the list goes like this, and it's not in this order, but the list is this: Run-D.M.C., the Beastie Boys, LL Cool J, Kool G. Rap, Masta Ace, Rakim, Big Daddy Kane, Dr. Dre, all of N.W.A., KRS-One, Treach from Naughty by Nature, Nas, 2Pac, Biggie, Jay-Z. Thank you, 'cause I learned from all of you. Thank you."
Right,:|
I think what he meant was that these new writers are trying to be like him and not write their lyrics down. Could it be that or am I just reaching...
Either way, RD>>>>>>>>>>>>95% of albums in history
[QUOTE="Proobie44"][QUOTE="TheBigTicket21"]Jay-Z hasn't influenced anyone. Who can seriously like this piece of trash. His wack rapping is only saved by the great beats he gets. After Reasonable Doubt he fell off hard.TheBigTicket21
Eminem's acceptance speech for best rap album (The Eminem Show):
"I made me a little list of MCs that I wanted to name off that inspired me to, to bring me where I am today - cause honestly, I wouldn't be here without them. So the list goes like this, and it's not in this order, but the list is this: Run-D.M.C., the Beastie Boys, LL Cool J, Kool G. Rap, Masta Ace, Rakim, Big Daddy Kane, Dr. Dre, all of N.W.A., KRS-One, Treach from Naughty by Nature, Nas, 2Pac, Biggie, Jay-Z. Thank you, 'cause I learned from all of you. Thank you."
Right,:|
You hope you're not taking about Eminem when he first came out. Dude was off the chain as slim shady.
[QUOTE="Proobie44"][QUOTE="TheBigTicket21"]Jay-Z hasn't influenced anyone. Who can seriously like this piece of trash. His wack rapping is only saved by the great beats he gets. After Reasonable Doubt he fell off hard.TheBigTicket21
Eminem's acceptance speech for best rap album (The Eminem Show):
"I made me a little list of MCs that I wanted to name off that inspired me to, to bring me where I am today - cause honestly, I wouldn't be here without them. So the list goes like this, and it's not in this order, but the list is this: Run-D.M.C., the Beastie Boys, LL Cool J, Kool G. Rap, Masta Ace, Rakim, Big Daddy Kane, Dr. Dre, all of N.W.A., KRS-One, Treach from Naughty by Nature, Nas, 2Pac, Biggie, Jay-Z. Thank you, 'cause I learned from all of you. Thank you."
Right,:|
Sorry I misunderstood the topic, Eminem does fall under the category, Eminem is weak, he doesn't bring anything to the game. Eminem is a moron, which isn't unexpected, because in his quote he just lists off a bunch of artists who made a good album. If Rakim, KRs-One, or Biggie had any influence on him, he might have an ounce of talent. If someone were to influence you, you might require some attributes of them, Eminem doesn't.You've got to be kidding me right? Eminem is one of the greatest rappers of all time. Don't knock him because he's white, the dude's got serious skills. He's got that rare "tupac" voice. The type of voice that says "LISTEN TO ME, I GOT SOMETHIN TO SAY". And his lyrics are off the charts as well.
Honestly, I'm not surprised by this. Jay-z isfake and I've been sayin this since forever. Reasonable doubt was alright, Im not gonna knock dat album. But I think he's overrated. And stop saying he's a business, because he's not. He's just a **** wit money that's buyin a whole bunch of stuff. Hell, this guy is trying to move the Nets from New Jersey to BROOKLYN. BROOKLYN!! Yeah, that's a great business man alright......
[QUOTE="TheBigTicket21"][QUOTE="Proobie44"][QUOTE="TheBigTicket21"]Jay-Z hasn't influenced anyone. Who can seriously like this piece of trash. His wack rapping is only saved by the great beats he gets. After Reasonable Doubt he fell off hard.Joga-Bonito
Eminem's acceptance speech for best rap album (The Eminem Show):
"I made me a little list of MCs that I wanted to name off that inspired me to, to bring me where I am today - cause honestly, I wouldn't be here without them. So the list goes like this, and it's not in this order, but the list is this: Run-D.M.C., the Beastie Boys, LL Cool J, Kool G. Rap, Masta Ace, Rakim, Big Daddy Kane, Dr. Dre, all of N.W.A., KRS-One, Treach from Naughty by Nature, Nas, 2Pac, Biggie, Jay-Z. Thank you, 'cause I learned from all of you. Thank you."
Right,:|
Sorry I misunderstood the topic, Eminem does fall under the category, Eminem is weak, he doesn't bring anything to the game. Eminem is a moron, which isn't unexpected, because in his quote he just lists off a bunch of artists who made a good album. If Rakim, KRs-One, or Biggie had any influence on him, he might have an ounce of talent. If someone were to influence you, you might require some attributes of them, Eminem doesn't.You've got to be kidding me right? Eminem is one of the greatest rappers of all time. Don't knock him because he's white, the dude's got serious skills. He's got that rare "tupac" voice. The type of voice that says "LISTEN TO ME, I GOT SOMETHIN TO SAY". And his lyrics are off the charts as well.
Honestly, I'm not surprised by this. Jay-z isfake and I've been sayin this since forever. Reasonable doubt was alright, Im not gonna knock dat album. But I think he's overrated. And stop saying he's a business, because he's not. He's just a **** wit money that's buyin a whole bunch of stuff. Hell, this guy is trying to move the Nets from New Jersey to BROOKLYN. BROOKLYN!! Yeah, that's a great business man alright......
Yes, Eminem has alot to say:roll:. The only Eminem I like is the one from the Bad Meets Evil days. After that he just went for pure shock value. Jay-Z RUNS the rap game now. Wtf does his business skills have to do with anything? Go listen to RD, Blueprint and the Black Album and tell me if he's overrated. Man, you must be very overrated to be in the game for more then a decade.:roll:Eminem is one of the greatest rappers of all time.
:lol:
Eminem sucks, & has always been horrible. Most overrated rapper ever. Horrible lyrics & a horrible voice.
Eminem:lol: One of the best ever:lol:
Jay-Z>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.Eminem
[QUOTE="Joga-Bonito"][QUOTE="TheBigTicket21"][QUOTE="Proobie44"][QUOTE="TheBigTicket21"]Jay-Z hasn't influenced anyone. Who can seriously like this piece of trash. His wack rapping is only saved by the great beats he gets. After Reasonable Doubt he fell off hard.Aljosa23
Eminem's acceptance speech for best rap album (The Eminem Show):
"I made me a little list of MCs that I wanted to name off that inspired me to, to bring me where I am today - cause honestly, I wouldn't be here without them. So the list goes like this, and it's not in this order, but the list is this: Run-D.M.C., the Beastie Boys, LL Cool J, Kool G. Rap, Masta Ace, Rakim, Big Daddy Kane, Dr. Dre, all of N.W.A., KRS-One, Treach from Naughty by Nature, Nas, 2Pac, Biggie, Jay-Z. Thank you, 'cause I learned from all of you. Thank you."
Right,:|
Sorry I misunderstood the topic, Eminem does fall under the category, Eminem is weak, he doesn't bring anything to the game. Eminem is a moron, which isn't unexpected, because in his quote he just lists off a bunch of artists who made a good album. If Rakim, KRs-One, or Biggie had any influence on him, he might have an ounce of talent. If someone were to influence you, you might require some attributes of them, Eminem doesn't.You've got to be kidding me right? Eminem is one of the greatest rappers of all time. Don't knock him because he's white, the dude's got serious skills. He's got that rare "tupac" voice. The type of voice that says "LISTEN TO ME, I GOT SOMETHIN TO SAY". And his lyrics are off the charts as well.
Honestly, I'm not surprised by this. Jay-z isfake and I've been sayin this since forever. Reasonable doubt was alright, Im not gonna knock dat album. But I think he's overrated. And stop saying he's a business, because he's not. He's just a **** wit money that's buyin a whole bunch of stuff. Hell, this guy is trying to move the Nets from New Jersey to BROOKLYN. BROOKLYN!! Yeah, that's a great business man alright......
Yes, Eminem has alot to say:roll:. The only Eminem I like is the one from the Bad Meets Evil days. After that he just went for pure shock value. Jay-Z RUNS the rap game now. Wtf does his business skills have to do with anything? Go listen to RD, Blueprint and the Black Album and tell me if he's overrated. Man, you must be very overrated to be in the game for more then a decade.:roll:That's kinda easy when you have people writing your stuff for you.
[QUOTE="TheBigTicket21"][QUOTE="Proobie44"][QUOTE="TheBigTicket21"]Jay-Z hasn't influenced anyone. Who can seriously like this piece of trash. His wack rapping is only saved by the great beats he gets. After Reasonable Doubt he fell off hard.Joga-Bonito
Eminem's acceptance speech for best rap album (The Eminem Show):
"I made me a little list of MCs that I wanted to name off that inspired me to, to bring me where I am today - cause honestly, I wouldn't be here without them. So the list goes like this, and it's not in this order, but the list is this: Run-D.M.C., the Beastie Boys, LL Cool J, Kool G. Rap, Masta Ace, Rakim, Big Daddy Kane, Dr. Dre, all of N.W.A., KRS-One, Treach from Naughty by Nature, Nas, 2Pac, Biggie, Jay-Z. Thank you, 'cause I learned from all of you. Thank you."
Right,:|
Sorry I misunderstood the topic, Eminem does fall under the category, Eminem is weak, he doesn't bring anything to the game. Eminem is a moron, which isn't unexpected, because in his quote he just lists off a bunch of artists who made a good album. If Rakim, KRs-One, or Biggie had any influence on him, he might have an ounce of talent. If someone were to influence you, you might require some attributes of them, Eminem doesn't.You've got to be kidding me right? Eminem is one of the greatest rappers of all time. Don't knock him because he's white, the dude's got serious skills. He's got that rare "tupac" voice. The type of voice that says "LISTEN TO ME, I GOT SOMETHIN TO SAY". And his lyrics are off the charts as well.
Honestly, I'm not surprised by this. Jay-z isfake and I've been sayin this since forever. Reasonable doubt was alright, Im not gonna knock dat album. But I think he's overrated. And stop saying he's a business, because he's not. He's just a **** wit money that's buyin a whole bunch of stuff. Hell, this guy is trying to move the Nets from New Jersey to BROOKLYN. BROOKLYN!! Yeah, that's a great business man alright......
I'm white, and no he doesn't have one of those voices.Jay-Z is more overrated than 50 cent, he makes one classic album, and then consistently puts out boring rap, from than on.
[QUOTE="Joga-Bonito"][QUOTE="TheBigTicket21"][QUOTE="Proobie44"][QUOTE="TheBigTicket21"]Jay-Z hasn't influenced anyone. Who can seriously like this piece of trash. His wack rapping is only saved by the great beats he gets. After Reasonable Doubt he fell off hard.TheBigTicket21
Eminem's acceptance speech for best rap album (The Eminem Show):
"I made me a little list of MCs that I wanted to name off that inspired me to, to bring me where I am today - cause honestly, I wouldn't be here without them. So the list goes like this, and it's not in this order, but the list is this: Run-D.M.C., the Beastie Boys, LL Cool J, Kool G. Rap, Masta Ace, Rakim, Big Daddy Kane, Dr. Dre, all of N.W.A., KRS-One, Treach from Naughty by Nature, Nas, 2Pac, Biggie, Jay-Z. Thank you, 'cause I learned from all of you. Thank you."
Right,:|
Sorry I misunderstood the topic, Eminem does fall under the category, Eminem is weak, he doesn't bring anything to the game. Eminem is a moron, which isn't unexpected, because in his quote he just lists off a bunch of artists who made a good album. If Rakim, KRs-One, or Biggie had any influence on him, he might have an ounce of talent. If someone were to influence you, you might require some attributes of them, Eminem doesn't.You've got to be kidding me right? Eminem is one of the greatest rappers of all time. Don't knock him because he's white, the dude's got serious skills. He's got that rare "tupac" voice. The type of voice that says "LISTEN TO ME, I GOT SOMETHIN TO SAY". And his lyrics are off the charts as well.
Honestly, I'm not surprised by this. Jay-z isfake and I've been sayin this since forever. Reasonable doubt was alright, Im not gonna knock dat album. But I think he's overrated. And stop saying he's a business, because he's not. He's just a **** wit money that's buyin a whole bunch of stuff. Hell, this guy is trying to move the Nets from New Jersey to BROOKLYN. BROOKLYN!! Yeah, that's a great business man alright......
I'm white, and no he doesn't have one of those voices.Jay-Z is more overrated than 50 cent, he makes one ****c album, and then consistently puts out boring rap, from than on.
lol, it dosn't matter if ur white lol i kno white people who downplay eminem jus cuz he's white and they flat out wont give him a chance because of that.
i know everyone's got their opinion and stuff, but im really surprised by how much people dislike eminem on here. cuz i think he's a legend.
[QUOTE="TheBigTicket21"][QUOTE="Proobie44"][QUOTE="TheBigTicket21"]Jay-Z hasn't influenced anyone. Who can seriously like this piece of trash. His wack rapping is only saved by the great beats he gets. After Reasonable Doubt he fell off hard.Joga-Bonito
Eminem's acceptance speech for best rap album (The Eminem Show):
"I made me a little list of MCs that I wanted to name off that inspired me to, to bring me where I am today - cause honestly, I wouldn't be here without them. So the list goes like this, and it's not in this order, but the list is this: Run-D.M.C., the Beastie Boys, LL Cool J, Kool G. Rap, Masta Ace, Rakim, Big Daddy Kane, Dr. Dre, all of N.W.A., KRS-One, Treach from Naughty by Nature, Nas, 2Pac, Biggie, Jay-Z. Thank you, 'cause I learned from all of you. Thank you."
Right,:|
Sorry I misunderstood the topic, Eminem does fall under the category, Eminem is weak, he doesn't bring anything to the game. Eminem is a moron, which isn't unexpected, because in his quote he just lists off a bunch of artists who made a good album. If Rakim, KRs-One, or Biggie had any influence on him, he might have an ounce of talent. If someone were to influence you, you might require some attributes of them, Eminem doesn't.You've got to be kidding me right? Eminem is one of the greatest rappers of all time. Don't knock him because he's white, the dude's got serious skills. He's got that rare "tupac" voice. The type of voice that says "LISTEN TO ME, I GOT SOMETHIN TO SAY". And his lyrics are off the charts as well.
Honestly, I'm not surprised by this. Jay-z isfake and I've been sayin this since forever. Reasonable doubt was alright, Im not gonna knock dat album. But I think he's overrated. And stop saying he's a business, because he's not. He's just a **** wit money that's buyin a whole bunch of stuff. Hell, this guy is trying to move the Nets from New Jersey to BROOKLYN. BROOKLYN!! Yeah, that's a great business man alright......
:lol:
Theres no way Jay Z is more overrated than 50.
Jay-Z is more overrated than 50 cent, he makes onec.lassic album, and then consistently puts out boring rap, from than on.TheBigTicket21
Jay Z at least had a c.lassic album, plus a few more good ones (Blueprint, Black Album). 50 at his best (Get Rich or Die Trying) was decent, above average maybe. Andone of thereasons that album was so good was because of the beats anyway. After that, Massacre and Curtis have both been mediocre besides maybe a few songs (Curtis 187, for example is okay).
And btw Eminem isn't too bad. Well he may be now, but Slim Shady LP is a really good album imo.
Theres no way Jay Z is more overrated than 50.[QUOTE="TheBigTicket21"]
Jay-Z is more overrated than 50 cent, he makes onec.lassic album, and then consistently puts out boring rap, from than on.Demonic_Jin
Jay Z at least had a c.lassic album, plus a few more good ones (Blueprint, Black Album). 50 at his best (Get Rich or Die Trying) was decent, above average maybe. Andone of thereasons that album was so good was because of the beats anyway. After that, Massacre and Curtis have both been mediocre besides maybe a few songs (Curtis 187, for example is okay).
And btw Eminem isn't too bad. Well he may be now, but Slim Shady LP is a really good album imo.
I liked GRODT :(
Eminem had the most raw talent this side of biggie, but dude wasted it on some bullish...he was still dope though...top 30 at best though...fat_robThe problem is he got full of himself, it wasn't enough to just rap anymore, he was suddenly a mastermind producer. (His beats are all trash anyway) Also wtf was up with those *funny* songs he put out? Eminem is overrated as ****. El-P>>>> Eminem
[QUOTE="fat_rob"]Eminem had the most raw talent this side of biggie, but dude wasted it on some bullish...he was still dope though...top 30 at best though...GiangioThe problem is he got full of himself, it wasn't enough to just rap anymore, he was suddenly a mastermind producer. (His beats are all trash anyway) Also wtf was up with those *funny* songs he put out? Eminem is overrated as ****. El-P>>>> Eminem
yeah, dude should have left the boards alone...and those funny songs on Encore were trash (the ones on SSLP were dope though)....*sigh* Eminem's fall off is probably one of the worse things to happen to rap...dude went from outshining Jay-Z on a track to being outshined by TI :lol: good lord...
One word: "Renegade".:lol:
Eminem sucks, & has always been horrible. Most overrated rapper ever. Horrible lyrics & a horrible voice.
Eminem:lol: One of the best ever:lol:
Jay-Z>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.Eminem
-Halftime-
Owned
[QUOTE="HaSheeSh_basic"]God you guys are a buncha idiotas. Eminem is one of the illest lyricsts of all time.fat_robHe was one of the illest, but dude also holds the title of biggest fall off in rap history...
I couldn't agree less.
[QUOTE="fat_rob"][QUOTE="HaSheeSh_basic"]God you guys are a buncha idiotas. Eminem is one of the illest lyricsts of all time.HaSheeSh_basicHe was one of the illest, but dude also holds the title of biggest fall off in rap history...
I couldn't agree less.
Eminems wordplay was super sick on his prime....the bad thing is that his voiced changed after The Eminem Show and it just became annoying. Many rappers fell hard too, not only him...I don't see another "superstar" rising on the rap game anymore..
[QUOTE="TheBigTicket21"][QUOTE="Proobie44"][QUOTE="TheBigTicket21"]Jay-Z hasn't influenced anyone. Who can seriously like this piece of trash. His wack rapping is only saved by the great beats he gets. After Reasonable Doubt he fell off hard.Joga-Bonito
Eminem's acceptance speech for best rap album (The Eminem Show):
"I made me a little list of MCs that I wanted to name off that inspired me to, to bring me where I am today - cause honestly, I wouldn't be here without them. So the list goes like this, and it's not in this order, but the list is this: Run-D.M.C., the Beastie Boys, LL Cool J, Kool G. Rap, Masta Ace, Rakim, Big Daddy Kane, Dr. Dre, all of N.W.A., KRS-One, Treach from Naughty by Nature, Nas, 2Pac, Biggie, Jay-Z. Thank you, 'cause I learned from all of you. Thank you."
Right,:|
Sorry I misunderstood the topic, Eminem does fall under the category, Eminem is weak, he doesn't bring anything to the game. Eminem is a moron, which isn't unexpected, because in his quote he just lists off a bunch of artists who made a good album. If Rakim, KRs-One, or Biggie had any influence on him, he might have an ounce of talent. If someone were to influence you, you might require some attributes of them, Eminem doesn't.You've got to be kidding me right? Eminem is one of the greatest rappers of all time. Don't knock him because he's white, the dude's got serious skills. He's got that rare "tupac" voice. The type of voice that says "LISTEN TO ME, I GOT SOMETHIN TO SAY". And his lyrics are off the charts as well.
Honestly, I'm not surprised by this. Jay-z isfake and I've been sayin this since forever. Reasonable doubt was alright, Im not gonna knock dat album. But I think he's overrated. And stop saying he's a business, because he's not. He's just a **** wit money that's buyin a whole bunch of stuff. Hell, this guy is trying to move the Nets from New Jersey to BROOKLYN. BROOKLYN!! Yeah, that's a great business man alright......
I don't even think Stan would say all of that :|Theres no way Jay Z is more overrated than 50.[QUOTE="TheBigTicket21"]
Jay-Z is more overrated than 50 cent, he makes onec.lassic album, and then consistently puts out boring rap, from than on.Demonic_Jin
Jay Z at least had a c.lassic album, plus a few more good ones (Blueprint, Black Album). 50 at his best (Get Rich or Die Trying) was decent, above average maybe. Andone of thereasons that album was so good was because of the beats anyway. After that, Massacre and Curtis have both been mediocre besides maybe a few songs (Curtis 187, for example is okay).
And btw Eminem isn't too bad. Well he may be now, but Slim Shady LP is a really good album imo.
blueprint and the black album are both boringeven reasonable doubt gets boring after 22 two's. GRODT at least moves. Jay-Z and 50 seem quite similar. So Eminem isn't too bad? Other than the last 10 years, I guess :|
[QUOTE="-Halftime-"]One word: "Renegade".:lol:
Eminem sucks, & has always been horrible. Most overrated rapper ever. Horrible lyrics & a horrible voice.
Eminem:lol: One of the best ever:lol:
Jay-Z>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.Eminem
HaSheeSh_basic
Owned
I hate that song.
[QUOTE="Joga-Bonito"][QUOTE="TheBigTicket21"][QUOTE="Proobie44"][QUOTE="TheBigTicket21"]Jay-Z hasn't influenced anyone. Who can seriously like this piece of trash. His wack rapping is only saved by the great beats he gets. After Reasonable Doubt he fell off hard.Colt45fool
Eminem's acceptance speech for best rap album (The Eminem Show):
"I made me a little list of MCs that I wanted to name off that inspired me to, to bring me where I am today - cause honestly, I wouldn't be here without them. So the list goes like this, and it's not in this order, but the list is this: Run-D.M.C., the Beastie Boys, LL Cool J, Kool G. Rap, Masta Ace, Rakim, Big Daddy Kane, Dr. Dre, all of N.W.A., KRS-One, Treach from Naughty by Nature, Nas, 2Pac, Biggie, Jay-Z. Thank you, 'cause I learned from all of you. Thank you."
Right,:|
Sorry I misunderstood the topic, Eminem does fall under the category, Eminem is weak, he doesn't bring anything to the game. Eminem is a moron, which isn't unexpected, because in his quote he just lists off a bunch of artists who made a good album. If Rakim, KRs-One, or Biggie had any influence on him, he might have an ounce of talent. If someone were to influence you, you might require some attributes of them, Eminem doesn't.You've got to be kidding me right? Eminem is one of the greatest rappers of all time. Don't knock him because he's white, the dude's got serious skills. He's got that rare "tupac" voice. The type of voice that says "LISTEN TO ME, I GOT SOMETHIN TO SAY". And his lyrics are off the charts as well.
Honestly, I'm not surprised by this. Jay-z isfake and I've been sayin this since forever. Reasonable doubt was alright, Im not gonna knock dat album. But I think he's overrated. And stop saying he's a business, because he's not. He's just a **** wit money that's buyin a whole bunch of stuff. Hell, this guy is trying to move the Nets from New Jersey to BROOKLYN. BROOKLYN!! Yeah, that's a great business man alright......
I don't even think Stan would say all of that :|but he'd still put eminem's jockstrap in his 'behind'[QUOTE="fat_rob"][QUOTE="HaSheeSh_basic"]God you guys are a buncha idiotas. Eminem is one of the illest lyricsts of all time.HaSheeSh_basicHe was one of the illest, but dude also holds the title of biggest fall off in rap history...
I couldn't agree less.
Who fell off harder? Eminem's dope songs post 8-Mile can be counted on two hands...
[QUOTE="HaSheeSh_basic"][QUOTE="fat_rob"][QUOTE="HaSheeSh_basic"]God you guys are a buncha idiotas. Eminem is one of the illest lyricsts of all time.fat_robHe was one of the illest, but dude also holds the title of biggest fall off in rap history...
I couldn't agree less.
Who fell off harder? Eminem's dope songs post 8-Mile can be counted on two hands...
[QUOTE="HaSheeSh_basic"][QUOTE="-Halftime-"]One word: "Renegade".:lol:
Eminem sucks, & has always been horrible. Most overrated rapper ever. Horrible lyrics & a horrible voice.
Eminem:lol: One of the best ever:lol:
Jay-Z>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.Eminem
-Halftime-
Owned
I hate that song.
how??im just waiting for King Mathers...and btw Em only has had one real album post 8-mile so its not really like he has released a wealth of material since then....Apocalypse33He had an EP, a group album where he dropped a lot of material, a mixtape where he dropped a decent amount of verses, a studio album, various freestyles, some random songs, and various guest appearences...dude has had ample opprotunity to drop some hot ish...only a few songs have been dope and none except the first two verses of No Apologies sounds like the Eminem that made people go nuts...
[QUOTE="-Halftime-"][QUOTE="HaSheeSh_basic"][QUOTE="-Halftime-"]One word: "Renegade".:lol:
Eminem sucks, & has always been horrible. Most overrated rapper ever. Horrible lyrics & a horrible voice.
Eminem:lol: One of the best ever:lol:
Jay-Z>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.Eminem
Apocalypse33
Owned
I hate that song.
how??I just don't like it.
[QUOTE="Apocalypse33"]im just waiting for King Mathers...and btw Em only has had one real album post 8-mile so its not really like he has released a wealth of material since then....fat_robHe had an EP, a group album where he dropped a lot of material, a mixtape where he dropped a decent amount of verses, a studio album, various freestyles, some random songs, and various guest appearences...dude has had ample opprotunity to drop some hot ish...only a few songs have been dope and none except the first two verses of No Apologies sounds like the Eminem that made people go nuts...
we have already been down this road, i dont feel like retyping all the songs i have liked, D12 World has some nice songs IMO, and what was his EP?
[QUOTE="Apocalypse33"][QUOTE="-Halftime-"][QUOTE="HaSheeSh_basic"][QUOTE="-Halftime-"]One word: "Renegade".:lol:
Eminem sucks, & has always been horrible. Most overrated rapper ever. Horrible lyrics & a horrible voice.
Eminem:lol: One of the best ever:lol:
Jay-Z>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.Eminem
-Halftime-
Owned
I hate that song.
how??I just don't like it.
why?[QUOTE="fat_rob"][QUOTE="Apocalypse33"]im just waiting for King Mathers...and btw Em only has had one real album post 8-mile so its not really like he has released a wealth of material since then....Apocalypse33He had an EP, a group album where he dropped a lot of material, a mixtape where he dropped a decent amount of verses, a studio album, various freestyles, some random songs, and various guest appearences...dude has had ample opprotunity to drop some hot ish...only a few songs have been dope and none except the first two verses of No Apologies sounds like the Eminem that made people go nuts...
we have already been down this road, i dont feel like retyping all the songs i have liked, D12 World has some nice songs IMO, and what was his EP?
Back to The Lab EP...it's where Love You More and We As Americans first showed up...
[QUOTE="Apocalypse33"][QUOTE="fat_rob"][QUOTE="Apocalypse33"]im just waiting for King Mathers...and btw Em only has had one real album post 8-mile so its not really like he has released a wealth of material since then....fat_robHe had an EP, a group album where he dropped a lot of material, a mixtape where he dropped a decent amount of verses, a studio album, various freestyles, some random songs, and various guest appearences...dude has had ample opprotunity to drop some hot ish...only a few songs have been dope and none except the first two verses of No Apologies sounds like the Eminem that made people go nuts...
we have already been down this road, i dont feel like retyping all the songs i have liked, D12 World has some nice songs IMO, and what was his EP?
Back to The Lab EP...it's where Love You More and We As Americans first showed up...
oh, i never listened to that, but i have probably heard all the songs.
[QUOTE="fat_rob"][QUOTE="Apocalypse33"][QUOTE="fat_rob"][QUOTE="Apocalypse33"]im just waiting for King Mathers...and btw Em only has had one real album post 8-mile so its not really like he has released a wealth of material since then....Apocalypse33He had an EP, a group album where he dropped a lot of material, a mixtape where he dropped a decent amount of verses, a studio album, various freestyles, some random songs, and various guest appearences...dude has had ample opprotunity to drop some hot ish...only a few songs have been dope and none except the first two verses of No Apologies sounds like the Eminem that made people go nuts...
we have already been down this road, i dont feel like retyping all the songs i have liked, D12 World has some nice songs IMO, and what was his EP?
Back to The Lab EP...it's where Love You More and We As Americans first showed up...
oh, i never listened to that, but i have probably heard all the songs.
the only stand outs were those two I named...I think Ricky Ticky Toc was recorded during that time too, but wasn't put on the EP for some reason...
Fat Joe was dope, but he was never an upper level lyricist like Em that could outshine a Nas or Jay...From where Em was from a skill perspective, he fell of harder imo...only Prodigy comes close imofat_robReturn of the Mac was pretty good compared to that garbage G-Unit branded album. Havoc fell off harder IMO
[QUOTE="fat_rob"]Fat Joe was dope, but he was never an upper level lyricist like Em that could outshine a Nas or Jay...From where Em was from a skill perspective, he fell of harder imo...only Prodigy comes close imoGiangioReturn of the Mac was pretty good compared to that garbage G-Unit branded album. Havoc fell off harder IMOYeah, Prodigy redeemed himself with that album/mixtape, that's why I say Em is the worse fall of in rap history, and Havoc was on to begin with? I was never a fan of his raps...
[QUOTE="Giangio"][QUOTE="fat_rob"]Fat Joe was dope, but he was never an upper level lyricist like Em that could outshine a Nas or Jay...From where Em was from a skill perspective, he fell of harder imo...only Prodigy comes close imofat_robReturn of the Mac was pretty good compared to that garbage G-Unit branded album. Havoc fell off harder IMOYeah, Prodigy redeemed himself with that album/mixtape, that's why I say Em is the worse fall of in rap history, and Havoc was on to begin with? I was never a fan of his raps...
I didn't like him as much as Prodigy on The Infamous,but Havoc went off on Hell On Earth.
Return of the Mac was pretty good compared to that garbage G-Unit branded album. Havoc fell off harder IMOYeah, Prodigy redeemed himself with that album/mixtape, that's why I say Em is the worse fall of in rap history, and Havoc was on to begin with? I was never a fan of his raps...[QUOTE="fat_rob"][QUOTE="Giangio"][QUOTE="fat_rob"]Fat Joe was dope, but he was never an upper level lyricist like Em that could outshine a Nas or Jay...From where Em was from a skill perspective, he fell of harder imo...only Prodigy comes close imoBlack-Demon
I didn't like him as much as Prodigy on The Infamous,but Havoc went off on Hell On Earth.
idk...I always felt that Havoc was put in the unfair position of having to keep up with P...Prodigy was a monster on Hell on Earth...his flow, swagger, and lyrics were just incredible...after P, Hav seemed so boring :([QUOTE="Black-Demon"]Return of the Mac was pretty good compared to that garbage G-Unit branded album. Havoc fell off harder IMOYeah, Prodigy redeemed himself with that album/mixtape, that's why I say Em is the worse fall of in rap history, and Havoc was on to begin with? I was never a fan of his raps...[QUOTE="fat_rob"][QUOTE="Giangio"][QUOTE="fat_rob"]Fat Joe was dope, but he was never an upper level lyricist like Em that could outshine a Nas or Jay...From where Em was from a skill perspective, he fell of harder imo...only Prodigy comes close imofat_rob
I didn't like him as much as Prodigy on The Infamous,but Havoc went off on Hell On Earth.
idk...I always felt that Havoc was put in the unfair position of having to keep up with P...Prodigy was a monster on Hell on Earth...his flow, swagger, and lyrics were just incredible...after P, Hav seemed so boring :(LOL,that is true sometimes. I think they were both on the same level on Murda Muzik though,that album was meh to me:? Infamy was just......:|
[QUOTE="Giangio"][QUOTE="fat_rob"]Fat Joe was dope, but he was never an upper level lyricist like Em that could outshine a Nas or Jay...From where Em was from a skill perspective, he fell of harder imo...only Prodigy comes close imofat_robReturn of the Mac was pretty good compared to that garbage G-Unit branded album. Havoc fell off harder IMOYeah, Prodigy redeemed himself with that album/mixtape, that's why I say Em is the worse fall of in rap history, and Havoc was on to begin with? I was never a fan of his raps...
Well.. yea, Havoc was on during Hell On Earth. Either prodigy wrote his raps for that one, or some ungodly curse made them both fall off afterward. Now compare Havoc's solo album of this year to Prodigy's. On Hell on Earth Havoc managed to outshine P on a lot of songs.
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