Real talk, Lupe Fiasco ain't really that great of a lyricist...

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#51 Apocalypse33
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[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]You guys never agree on anything. BTW "The Instrumental" Is awack song. Daydreamin'>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The Instrumental.PowerEchidna

word son
Daydreamin' is dope as hell
so who else is lookin froward to "The Cool"???
Gonna be the shnit

i am *raises hand*
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#52 mems_1224
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[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="fat_rob"][QUOTE="Apocalypse33"][QUOTE="Eragon_11"]

Anyone who tries to make a song mean something when it quite blatantly is crap, is just pathetic.

When it is intended to mean something, its obvious (I used to love her being my prime example)

fat_rob

unless the song is intentionally ambiguous and you are supposed to take your own meaning from it, my theory might not be definitive but its what i take from it, and until Lupe says otherwise i will follow it.

the song isn't intentially ambiguous...it's just horribly song writing :lol: it's very clear what concept lupe was getting at...it's someone growing to love that in which he hates, the box is obviously supposed to be pop culture in some sense and the doctors are kinda like ad agencies...people who do focus studies on products to see their effect on people. They can be otherthings, but this fits best. The problem is that Lupe starts with someone hating the box, yet locking himself to it and swallowing the combination all in an attempt to free the box from it's prison...that is just stupid...

i always thought it was about conforming to society. kinda like how 9th was saying that deep down people don't really like the music out now a days but they listen to it anyways to fit in,

anyways, its an alright song and yea, his lyrics are kinda flawed but why are yall even arguing about one of his average songs? what about american terrorist, thats a dope song, day dreamin?

american teorrist is dope, as is day dreaming (though it has some of the same problems as the instrumental, they are no where near as bad or appearent). If lupe made all his songs like those I'd have not made this thread though :P

yea, if you actually listen to the lryics dude isn't that deep or as philosophical like most people think, there is some bull crap in there. i just love his voice and flow, deep breathing and all for some reason. dude can ride a beat. i just think if he can get more fame he'd be a good thing for hip hop.
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#53 PowerEchidna
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[QUOTE="PowerEchidna"]

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]You guys never agree on anything. BTW "The Instrumental" Is awack song. Daydreamin'>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The Instrumental.fat_rob

word son
Daydreamin' is dope as hell
so who else is lookin froward to "The Cool"???
Gonna be the shnit

if he keeps his concepts simple and dope, I'm all for it...but homeboy needs to leave the robots and boxes in his rhyme book...

WHAT!, the robot was dope, did you see the music video?

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#54 fat_rob
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[QUOTE="fat_rob"][QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="fat_rob"][QUOTE="Apocalypse33"][QUOTE="Eragon_11"]

Anyone who tries to make a song mean something when it quite blatantly is crap, is just pathetic.

When it is intended to mean something, its obvious (I used to love her being my prime example)

mems_1224

unless the song is intentionally ambiguous and you are supposed to take your own meaning from it, my theory might not be definitive but its what i take from it, and until Lupe says otherwise i will follow it.

the song isn't intentially ambiguous...it's just horribly song writing :lol: it's very clear what concept lupe was getting at...it's someone growing to love that in which he hates, the box is obviously supposed to be pop culture in some sense and the doctors are kinda like ad agencies...people who do focus studies on products to see their effect on people. They can be otherthings, but this fits best. The problem is that Lupe starts with someone hating the box, yet locking himself to it and swallowing the combination all in an attempt to free the box from it's prison...that is just stupid...

i always thought it was about conforming to society. kinda like how 9th was saying that deep down people don't really like the music out now a days but they listen to it anyways to fit in,

anyways, its an alright song and yea, his lyrics are kinda flawed but why are yall even arguing about one of his average songs? what about american terrorist, thats a dope song, day dreamin?

american teorrist is dope, as is day dreaming (though it has some of the same problems as the instrumental, they are no where near as bad or appearent). If lupe made all his songs like those I'd have not made this thread though :P

yea, if you actually listen to the lryics dude isn't that deep or as philosophical like most people think, there is some bull crap in there. i just love his voice and flow, deep breathing and all for some reason. dude can ride a beat. i just think if he can get more fame he'd be a good thing for hip hop.

I think he's great for hip-hop, his music is refreshing in a lot of ways, it's just that people sing his praise too much for my taste, plus I'm a hater 8) HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE :D
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[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]You guys never agree on anything. BTW "The Instrumental" Is awack song. Daydreamin'>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The Instrumental.PowerEchidna

word son
Daydreamin' is dope as hell
so who else is lookin froward to "The Cool"???
Gonna be the shnit

Me and Echidna agree on everything 8).
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#56 fat_rob
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[QUOTE="fat_rob"][QUOTE="PowerEchidna"]

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]You guys never agree on anything. BTW "The Instrumental" Is awack song. Daydreamin'>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The Instrumental.PowerEchidna

word son
Daydreamin' is dope as hell
so who else is lookin froward to "The Cool"???
Gonna be the shnit

if he keeps his concepts simple and dope, I'm all for it...but homeboy needs to leave the robots and boxes in his rhyme book...

WHAT!, the robot was dope, did you see the music video?

yes...the music video did not portray a walking talking project housing robot...I was very dissapointed
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#57 Proobie44
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[QUOTE="PowerEchidna"]

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]You guys never agree on anything. BTW "The Instrumental" Is awack song. Daydreamin'>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The Instrumental.Apocalypse33

word son
Daydreamin' is dope as hell
so who else is lookin froward to "The Cool"???
Gonna be the shnit

i am *raises hand*

Count me in..........
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#58 PowerEchidna
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[QUOTE="PowerEchidna"]

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]You guys never agree on anything. BTW "The Instrumental" Is awack song. Daydreamin'>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The Instrumental.Aljosa23

word son
Daydreamin' is dope as hell
so who else is lookin froward to "The Cool"???
Gonna be the shnit

Me and Echidna agree on everything 8).

awwww yeah

*High Five*

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#59 eightball88
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the instrumental is a pretty good song,
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#60 Colt45fool
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I can't believe I actually agree with Apocalypse :cry:
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#61 Colt45fool
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[QUOTE="Apocalypse33"][QUOTE="fat_rob"]what it is about is irrelevent...you can substitute anything for the box and the doctors...the song still wont make sense, the lyrics are flawed, they make little sense...tell me why would someone who hates something try to unlock it from it's prison and then lock himself to that thing simply so he can try to figure out how to unlock the thing in which he hates. fat_rob
its like an unending circle, it could represent violence, hate, etc....

lol it still doesn't make sense...if the box is hate or violence, the guy is still trying to unlock and free something he loathes...who does that? Who tries to set free that he doesn't like? Is this dude some type of a maschist? and it can't be violence or hate anyway because A) the guy grows to love the box, and B) he tries to protect the box because it is the last of the boxes...this guy must be some type of asshat to try and protect the last bit of hate or violence left in the world...lol and that still doesn't explain who the doctors are.

"the box" can be anything....anything you can be addicted to. You can be addicted to violence, drugs, a jewel etc....hell, the box could be something as elementary as a TV :| And it can technically be a terrible thing, but to you it could be a great thing..."why does everything so bad for me feel so good"...

And the guy isn't trying to open something he loathes, he doesn't loathe the box, the story is told in third person. The person in the story loves the box, and listens to the box, and does what the box asks....the person telling the story (Lupe I suppose) is telling us about the box and things that it does....whether it's good or bad, is the impression the listener is going to have to take from it...the impression most associated with the box, is that it's probably bad, because it's taking over the person's life.

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#62 Apocalypse33
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I can't believe I actually agree with Apocalypse :cry:Colt45fool
its ok colt. :oops:
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#63 Pyro
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whats with all the drama?

either way im sure most people are happy lupe is in the rap game...as he may not be the very best...but hes better than most we see hitting the mainstream.

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#64 Colt45fool
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[QUOTE="Colt45fool"]I can't believe I actually agree with Apocalypse :cry:Apocalypse33
its ok colt. :oops:

I just totally justified your arguement :P
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#65 -Halftime-
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I actually like The Instrumental:? By no means is it one of my favorite Lupe songs but it's OK to me.

And Lupe IS overrated, I love him, F&L was the best album 0f 06 for me, but alot of people praise him a bit too much.

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#66 fat_rob
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colt...he does hate the box...Lupe says it in teh first verse:

Heeeeee mimics and he mocks it
Really hates the box but he can't remember how to stop, it

and again it doesn't matter what the box is, that is not the problem the problem is the verse is structerly flawed...no matter what the box is, the man is trying to open something he dislikes...the first verse is about someone who hates the box, but gets sucked into it and the second verse is about the same person loving the box...

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#67 fat_rob
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[QUOTE="Apocalypse33"][QUOTE="Colt45fool"]I can't believe I actually agree with Apocalypse :cry:Colt45fool
its ok colt. :oops:

I just totally justified your arguement :P

not really, you came closer then he did, but no one can justify this lyrical wackness
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Why the hell do you have to respond to every damn post Apoc? :|

It's annoying as **** (Especially since fat_rob is owning the **** out of you)

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#69 Apocalypse33
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Why the hell do you have to respond to every damn post Apoc? :|

It's annoying as **** (Especially since fat_rob is owning the **** out of you)

HighPowered94
because we were discussing the song :? i also failed to see the ownage, but rather a clash of opinions.
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[QUOTE="HighPowered94"]

Why the hell do you have to respond to every damn post Apoc? :|

It's annoying as **** (Especially since fat_rob is owning the **** out of you)

Apocalypse33
because we were discussing the song :? i also failed to see the ownage, but rather a clash of opinions.

Too bad it didn't get anything solved....
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#71 Apocalypse33
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[QUOTE="Apocalypse33"][QUOTE="HighPowered94"]

Why the hell do you have to respond to every damn post Apoc? :|

It's annoying as **** (Especially since fat_rob is owning the **** out of you)

HighPowered94
because we were discussing the song :? i also failed to see the ownage, but rather a clash of opinions.

Too bad it didn't get anything solved....

welcome to OTB
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[QUOTE="HighPowered94"][QUOTE="Apocalypse33"][QUOTE="HighPowered94"]

Why the hell do you have to respond to every damn post Apoc? :|

It's annoying as **** (Especially since fat_rob is owning the **** out of you)

Apocalypse33
because we were discussing the song :? i also failed to see the ownage, but rather a clash of opinions.

Too bad it didn't get anything solved....

welcome to OTB

No.
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[QUOTE="HighPowered94"][QUOTE="Apocalypse33"][QUOTE="HighPowered94"]

Why the hell do you have to respond to every damn post Apoc? :|

It's annoying as **** (Especially since fat_rob is owning the **** out of you)

Apocalypse33

because we were discussing the song :? i also failed to see the ownage, but rather a clash of opinions.

Too bad it didn't get anything solved....

welcome to OTB

you cant welcome someone whos been here longer than you 0_0

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#74 Apocalypse33
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d[QUOTE="Apocalypse33"][QUOTE="HighPowered94"][QUOTE="Apocalypse33"][QUOTE="HighPowered94"]

Why the hell do you have to respond to every damn post Apoc? :|

It's annoying as **** (Especially since fat_rob is owning the **** out of you)

nism0sigma

because we were discussing the song :? i also failed to see the ownage, but rather a clash of opinions.

Too bad it didn't get anything solved....

welcome to OTB

you cant welcome someone whos been here longer than you 0_0

it was sarcasm...and where the hell have you been
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#75 nism0sigma
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[QUOTE="nism0sigma"]d[QUOTE="Apocalypse33"][QUOTE="HighPowered94"][QUOTE="Apocalypse33"][QUOTE="HighPowered94"]

Why the hell do you have to respond to every damn post Apoc? :|

It's annoying as **** (Especially since fat_rob is owning the **** out of you)

Apocalypse33

because we were discussing the song :? i also failed to see the ownage, but rather a clash of opinions.

Too bad it didn't get anything solved....

welcome to OTB

you cant welcome someone whos been here longer than you 0_0

it was sarcasm...and where the hell have you been

I was being sarcastic too >_> and ive been here Ijust dont post any more cuz of all the wackness lately

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[QUOTE="nism0sigma"]d[QUOTE="Apocalypse33"][QUOTE="HighPowered94"][QUOTE="Apocalypse33"][QUOTE="HighPowered94"]

Why the hell do you have to respond to every damn post Apoc? :|

It's annoying as **** (Especially since fat_rob is owning the **** out of you)

Apocalypse33

because we were discussing the song :? i also failed to see the ownage, but rather a clash of opinions.

Too bad it didn't get anything solved....

welcome to OTB

you cant welcome someone whos been here longer than you 0_0

it was sarcasm...and where the hell have you been

Nice way to start up another lame ass convo....
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#77 Apocalypse33
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[QUOTE="Apocalypse33"][QUOTE="nism0sigma"]d[QUOTE="Apocalypse33"][QUOTE="HighPowered94"][QUOTE="Apocalypse33"][QUOTE="HighPowered94"]

Why the hell do you have to respond to every damn post Apoc? :|

It's annoying as **** (Especially since fat_rob is owning the **** out of you)

HighPowered94

because we were discussing the song :? i also failed to see the ownage, but rather a clash of opinions.

Too bad it didn't get anything solved....

welcome to OTB

you cant welcome someone whos been here longer than you 0_0

it was sarcasm...and where the hell have you been

Nice way to start up another lame ass convo....

is it that time of month already?
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[QUOTE="HighPowered94"][QUOTE="Apocalypse33"][QUOTE="nism0sigma"]d[QUOTE="Apocalypse33"][QUOTE="HighPowered94"][QUOTE="Apocalypse33"][QUOTE="HighPowered94"]

Why the hell do you have to respond to every damn post Apoc? :|

It's annoying as **** (Especially since fat_rob is owning the **** out of you)

Apocalypse33

because we were discussing the song :? i also failed to see the ownage, but rather a clash of opinions.

Too bad it didn't get anything solved....

welcome to OTB

you cant welcome someone whos been here longer than you 0_0

it was sarcasm...and where the hell have you been

Nice way to start up another lame ass convo....

is it that time of month already?

I ain't fallin for it buddy...
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#79 PowerEchidna
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hmm....something tells me we aren't talking about Lupe anymore
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#80 Apocalypse33
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[QUOTE="Apocalypse33"][QUOTE="HighPowered94"][QUOTE="Apocalypse33"][QUOTE="nism0sigma"]d[QUOTE="Apocalypse33"][QUOTE="HighPowered94"][QUOTE="Apocalypse33"][QUOTE="HighPowered94"]

Why the hell do you have to respond to every damn post Apoc? :|

It's annoying as **** (Especially since fat_rob is owning the **** out of you)

HighPowered94

because we were discussing the song :? i also failed to see the ownage, but rather a clash of opinions.

Too bad it didn't get anything solved....

welcome to OTB

you cant welcome someone whos been here longer than you 0_0

it was sarcasm...and where the hell have you been

Nice way to start up another lame ass convo....

is it that time of month already?

I ain't fallin for it buddy...

I love you too
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hmm....something tells me we aren't talking about Lupe anymorePowerEchidna
Good...I had enough of this box talk already....
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#82 nism0sigma
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[QUOTE="HighPowered94"][QUOTE="Apocalypse33"][QUOTE="HighPowered94"][QUOTE="Apocalypse33"][QUOTE="nism0sigma"]d[QUOTE="Apocalypse33"][QUOTE="HighPowered94"][QUOTE="Apocalypse33"][QUOTE="HighPowered94"]

Why the hell do you have to respond to every damn post Apoc? :|

It's annoying as **** (Especially since fat_rob is owning the **** out of you)

Apocalypse33

because we were discussing the song :? i also failed to see the ownage, but rather a clash of opinions.

Too bad it didn't get anything solved....

welcome to OTB

you cant welcome someone whos been here longer than you 0_0

it was sarcasm...and where the hell have you been

Nice way to start up another lame ass convo....

is it that time of month already?

I ain't fallin for it buddy...

I love you too

............. Not even funny .....stans these days try to be like em in every way possible

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#83 Apocalypse33
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how is that like Em?
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#84 Foolz3h
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how is that like Em?
Apocalypse33

Perhaps he's implying Eminem is retarded?

This is confusing as a metaphore involving a box!

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#86 Colt45fool
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colt...he does hate the box...Lupe says it in teh first verse:

Heeeeee mimics and he mocks it
Really hates the box but he can't remember how to stop, it

and again it doesn't matter what the box is, that is not the problem the problem is the verse is structerly flawed...no matter what the box is, the man is trying to open something he dislikes...the first verse is about someone who hates the box, but gets sucked into it and the second verse is about the same person loving the box...

fat_rob
Maybe the box is just a really ****ty friend then...someone who you intially despise, but for some reason you follow them, and listen to everything they say, despite knowing that they'rea bad influence. Iono...
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#87 HurricaneHugo
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Shuddup.

Lupe owns.

The Cool > j00