12 Year Old Suicide Bomber

I understand that everyone on this planet comes from different backgrounds and have been raised in a variety of ways. Still, reading this article made me cringe a little bit, especailly when I remember what I was doing at the age of twelve.

Did the boys parents know about this? Did they support him in this? I have heard some stories (more out of the Israel - Palestinian conflict of the families of martyrs getting financially rewarded for successful attacks (but I have no idea what the backdrop to this story is).

As a side note: I'm reminded of an earlier thread I made about a new fad of kids "playing suicide bomber" in the Middle East.

the boys parents were probably killed in NATO attack

the boys parents were probably killed in NATO attack

Harisemo

Yes so it makes since he would go and kill a bunch of Afghan civilians completely unrelated to such a thing in retaliation...

Damn... Just isn't right...

This is damn horrible, sometimes I forget how lucky and blessed I am to have the life I live right now

[QUOTE="Harisemo"]

the boys parents were probably killed in NATO attack

Buttons1990

Yes so it makes since he would go and kill a bunch of Afghan civilians completely unrelated to such a thing in retaliation...

Well that's the mentality.

NATO attacks an are and accidentally kills civilians, you retaliate by killing more civilians. It's an endless cycle with their mentality. Those bombing breed more terrorists, which breed more hunts for terrorists, which results in innocents getting killed in the fighting, which results in more bombings of innocents.

Doesn't surprise me in the least. Terrorists have also been known to use the mentally handicaped and animals in suicide bombings.

[QUOTE="Harisemo"]

the boys parents were probably killed in NATO attack

Buttons1990

Yes so it makes since he would go and kill a bunch of Afghan civilians completely unrelated to such a thing in retaliation...

"The head of Shkin district council, Shair Nawaz, a woman and two other men were killed and 12 others were wounded," the statement said.

These people are seen as traitors by taliban and the civilians killed in attack are collateral damage

[QUOTE="Buttons1990"]

[QUOTE="Harisemo"]

the boys parents were probably killed in NATO attack

Harisemo

Yes so it makes since he would go and kill a bunch of Afghan civilians completely unrelated to such a thing in retaliation...

"The head of Shkin district council, Shair Nawaz, a woman and two other men were killed and 12 others were wounded," the statement said.

These people are seen as traitors by taliban and the civilians killed in attack are collateral damage

Are you seriously defending the Taliban?

[QUOTE="Buttons1990"]

[QUOTE="Harisemo"]

the boys parents were probably killed in NATO attack

Harisemo

Yes so it makes since he would go and kill a bunch of Afghan civilians completely unrelated to such a thing in retaliation...

"The head of Shkin district council, Shair Nawaz, a woman and two other men were killed and 12 others were wounded," the statement said.

These people are seen as traitors by taliban and the civilians killed in attack are collateral damage

And the taliban/al Queda being willfully ignorant of everything + brainwashing children to commit suicide and kill civilians has what to do with NATO and the boys parents again?

Oh yes I see, nothing... Just your ignorance.

[QUOTE="Harisemo"]

[QUOTE="Buttons1990"]

Yes so it makes since he would go and kill a bunch of Afghan civilians completely unrelated to such a thing in retaliation...

Wasdie

"The head of Shkin district council, Shair Nawaz, a woman and two other men were killed and 12 others were wounded," the statement said.

These people are seen as traitors by taliban and the civilians killed in attack are collateral damage

Are you seriously defending the Taliban?

just stating facts

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="Harisemo"]

"The head of Shkin district council, Shair Nawaz, a woman and two other men were killed and 12 others were wounded," the statement said.

These people are seen as traitors by taliban and the civilians killed in attack are collateral damage

Harisemo

Are you seriously defending the Taliban?

just stating facts

You didn't answer the question:|

[QUOTE="Harisemo"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Are you seriously defending the Taliban?

DroidPhysX

just stating facts

You didn't answer the question:|

I don't think his statement is a defense what so ever.. Hell we can use this same kind of logic for the defense of any force, including US military actions in the callousness of defense of some people when collateral damage is involved.. In the end its a fubar situation and I would hardly defend any one but the innocent people caught in the mix.

You didn't answer the question:|

DroidPhysX

what? I defend taliban where i see the need to defend them but i thought everyone knew here

well the rate it is going they well kill theyselves off

the boys parents were probably killed in NATO attack

Harisemo

[QUOTE="Harisemo"]

the boys parents were probably killed in NATO attack

kuraimen

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Harisemo"]

the boys parents were probably killed in NATO attack

DroidPhysX

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Harisemo"]

the boys parents were probably killed in NATO attack

DroidPhysX

You can't make much difference between the two when the majority of the wars in the Middle East from the West have been for economic reasons.. And the callousness of the brushing off of collateral damage in concluding "well thats war" is a hypocritical double standard.. This isn't suggesting what the Taliban is doing is correct, they are religious fanatical dirt bags.. But I can't help but see a double standard again and again with these consistent situations.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] Exactly and NATO drops a bomb and kills a bunch of civilians and call it collateral damage. Well I say call them terrorists too or, better yet, call that child a NATO employee.kuraimen

Those terrorists are doing it for idiotic religious reasons. NATO does it to stop them from killing innocent people. (Speaking of which, im going to go out and say i trust NATO with my safety more than terrorists, just thought i would get that out of the way:roll:.) NATO bombs terrorists, and some civilians are killed in collateral damage. Terrorists bomb civilians....and thats it.

Are you seriously defending terroists and actually comparing them to NATO?

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] NATO didn't wake up one day and say "You know what guys, lets bomb civilians and call it accidental".DroidPhysX

Those terrorists are doing it for idiotic religious reasons. NATO does it to stop them from killing innocent people. (Speaking of which, im going to go out and say i trust NATO with my safety more than terrorists, just thought i would get that out of the way:roll:.) NATO bombs terrorists, and some civilians are killed in collateral damage. Terrorists bomb civilians....and thats it.

Are you seriously defending terroists and actually comparing them to NATO?

You seriously think NATO and western powers main goal is to save peoples lives? Perhapes you should tell that to the people of Rwanda or Darfur.. They are in these regions for economic and political reasons before anything remotely coming close to a humanitarian reason.. Now this isn't suggesting Taliban are a bed of roses, they like you said.. Fantatical dirt bags.. I just see a glaring double standard that has been there for decades that clearly is hypocrisy..

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] I'm sure those guys you call terrorists didn't just wake up one day wanting to kill people either. They have their reasons, NATO has theirs, they have means to kill innocent people and NATO has theirs, either way it is wrong.sSubZerOo

Those terrorists are doing it for idiotic religious reasons. NATO does it to stop them from killing innocent people. (Speaking of which, im going to go out and say i trust NATO with my safety more than terrorists, just thought i would get that out of the way:roll:.) NATO bombs terrorists, and some civilians are killed in collateral damage. Terrorists bomb civilians....and thats it.

Are you seriously defending terroists and actually comparing them to NATO?

You seriously think NATO and western powers main goal is to save peoples lives? Perhapes you should tell that to the people of Rwanda or Darfur.. They are in these regions for economic and political reasons before anything remotely coming close to a humanitarian reason.. Now this isn't suggesting Taliban are a bed of roses, they like you said.. Fantatical dirt bags.. I just see a glaring double standard that has been there for decades that clearly is hypocrisy..

Didn't say that was their goal did I?

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[QUOTE="Buttons1990"]

Yes so it makes since he would go and kill a bunch of Afghan civilians completely unrelated to such a thing in retaliation...

Wasdie

"The head of Shkin district council, Shair Nawaz, a woman and two other men were killed and 12 others were wounded," the statement said.

These people are seen as traitors by taliban and the civilians killed in attack are collateral damage

Are you seriously defending the Taliban?

i lol'd

talking about having a balanced discussion on an American board eh? :P

tbh I am suprised most suicide bombers are not kids. Kids are easy enough to brainwash with religion on their own, when you add poverty and a lack of education, and a sprinkle of family death due to Western attacks, to the mix, its no suprise a kid will kill himself to end his short, miserable life.

tbh I am suprised most suicide bombers are not kids. Kids are easy enough to brainwash with religion on their own, when you add poverty and a lack of education, and a sprinkle of family death due to Western attacks, to the mix, its no suprise a kid will kill himself to end his short, miserable life.

mrbojangles25

This is absolutely sad. I wish and strive for the day where a child can never end his own life.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] NATO didn't wake up one day and say "You know what guys, lets bomb civilians and call it accidental".DroidPhysX

Those terrorists are doing it for idiotic religious reasons. NATO does it to stop them from killing innocent people. (Speaking of which, im going to go out and say i trust NATO with my safety more than terrorists, just thought i would get that out of the way:roll:.) NATO bombs terrorists, and some civilians are killed in collateral damage. Terrorists bomb civilians....and thats it.

Are you seriously defending terroists and actually comparing them to NATO?

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] I'm sure those guys you call terrorists didn't just wake up one day wanting to kill people either. They have their reasons, NATO has theirs, they have means to kill innocent people and NATO has theirs, either way it is wrong.kuraimen

Those terrorists are doing it for idiotic religious reasons. NATO does it to stop them from killing innocent people. (Speaking of which, im going to go out and say i trust NATO with my safety more than terrorists, just thought i would get that out of the way:roll:.) NATO bombs terrorists, and some civilians are killed in collateral damage. Terrorists bomb civilians....and thats it.

Are you seriously defending terroists and actually comparing them to NATO?

And the irony of their motive is that the WTC attacks caused the 'West' to invade their territory even more. Kind of counter productive.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

Those terrorists are doing it for idiotic religious reasons. NATO does it to stop them from killing innocent people. (Speaking of which, im going to go out and say i trust NATO with my safety more than terrorists, just thought i would get that out of the way:roll:.) NATO bombs terrorists, and some civilians are killed in collateral damage. Terrorists bomb civilians....and thats it.

Are you seriously defending terroists and actually comparing them to NATO?

DroidPhysX

And the irony of their motive is that the WTC attacks caused the 'West' to invade their territory even more. Kind of counter productive.

brainwashing at its finest

Man, Islam is violent.

[QUOTE="chaplainDMK"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] I'm sure those guys you call terrorists didn't just wake up one day wanting to kill people either. They have their reasons, NATO has theirs, they have means to kill innocent people and NATO has theirs, either way it is wrong.kuraimen

Provide Links that NATO killed hundreds of thousands of civilians . And secondly, i can't believe people are defending Al-Qaeda:|

at least he can't commit any more acts of terrorism. if he hadn't suicided, he could have killed even more people before he killed himself.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="chaplainDMK"] NATO will probably cause a few accidental collateral casualties for each hundred enemy killed, these guys kill a few civilians for each single target they take out. Also terrorism, as the name suggests, is designed to terrorize the population, it's not actualy aimed so much at actual strategic targets. If NATO were terrorists they would go around blowing up mosques and random houses with the intent of killing as many civilians as possible, not to go hit specific targets that have strategic and tactical value and occasionaly (sadly) kill civilians in the process. DroidPhysX

Provide Links that NATO killed hundreds of thousands of civilians . And secondly, i can't believe people are defending Al-Qaeda:|

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] There have been instances in a wartime of attacks made by the "good side" done in order to cause a drop in morale and to instill fear like the atomic bombs in Japan and the allied attack on Dresden at the end of WW2. If instilling fear is the requisite for terrorism then the US and its allies has been terrorists several times. And while the so called terrorists provoked the death of 3000 civilians in 911 the subsequent actions of NATO caused probably some hundreds of thousands of deaths. So again, if we go by the numbers of innocents dead, then NATO is a much bigger terrorist than Al Qaeda will ever be.kuraimen

Provide Links that NATO killed hundreds of thousands of civilians . And secondly, i can't believe people are defending Al-Qaeda:|

Still waiting on those links....

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

Provide Links that NATO killed hundreds of thousands of civilians . And secondly, i can't believe people are defending Al-Qaeda:|

DroidPhysX

Still waiting on those links....

I'm not going to provide you with the thousands of links where news of collateral deaths by NATO strikes have happened. Here is all you need www.google.com

And nice way to derail the subject and avoid the issue. Typical when people have no more arguments.

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[QUOTE="kuraimen"] It is a typical strawman of you people to equate someone blaming your side to supporting the other. I have never once said I support or defend Al Qaeda's action, I'm merely saying that, put into perspective, NATO's actions a pretty similar, the only difference is that NATO has more money. Proof that NATO killed all those people? well just google collateral damaged NATO attack or something similar and if you have any complain just think about what kind of evidence you have of Al Qaeda killing innocent people which is pretty much the same kind of evidence.kuraimen

Still waiting on those links....

So i take it you couldn't find it? This would be like the Democrats asking the GOP to find proof that Bush Tax Cuts are bad. Makes no sense for me to do something that your were suppose to do.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

Still waiting on those links....

DroidPhysX

So i take it you couldn't find it? This would be like the Democrats asking the GOP to find proof that Bush Tax Cuts are bad. Makes no sense for me to do something that your were suppose to do.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] I'm not going to provide you with the thousands of links where news of collateral deaths by NATO strikes have happened. Here is all you need www.google.comkuraimen

So i take it you couldn't find it? This would be like the Democrats asking the GOP to find proof that Bush Tax Cuts are bad. Makes no sense for me to do something that your were suppose to do.

Cool. So when my professor asked the class to write a research paper on why/if the murder of the Archduke of Austria-Hungary caused the world problems we have today, should i have said to him 'Just google it'? Doesn't work like that. You find the proof for your claims.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

So i take it you couldn't find it? This would be like the Democrats asking the GOP to find proof that Bush Tax Cuts are bad. Makes no sense for me to do something that your were suppose to do.

DroidPhysX

Cool. So when my professor asked the class to write a research paper on why/if the murder of the Archduke of Austria-Hungary caused the world problems we have today, should i have said to him 'Just google it'? Doesn't work like that. You find the proof for your claims.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] Maybe I won't like to waste my time looking proof for you that the Earth is round but most sane people know it is so and know how to do a simple search in google so I trust you are capable of doing it by yourself.kuraimen

Cool. So when my professor asked the class to write a research paper on why/if the murder of the Archduke of Austria-Hungary caused the world problems we have today, should i have said to him 'Just google it'? Doesn't work like that. You find the proof for your claims.

Find proof to back up YOUR claims

I, too, am interested in the claim that NATO has killed hundreds of thousands of innocents. I have also tried 'googling it' (with no results outside of a Huffington Post comment, article comments, and something called 'vidoosh tv'). I triedseveralvariations of the phrase and, alas, nothing. What am I doing wrong? :(

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

Cool. So when my professor asked the class to write a research paper on why/if the murder of the Archduke of Austria-Hungary caused the world problems we have today, should i have said to him 'Just google it'? Doesn't work like that. You find the proof for your claims.

DroidPhysX

Find proof to back up YOUR claims

Here is several estimates of the casualties of the war in Iraq only. One of the wars which started because 3000 innocent people were killed and the lowest estimate is 98,170 civilians due to the conflict. Of course NATO allies don't count the civilians they directly kill because it will be awfull for people to know :roll: Still it is an estimate that makes the 3000 dead in 911 look like a detail.

forgot the link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War

Now you claimed that terrorists wake up and decide to kill people one day so please provide proof of this.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

Cool. So when my professor asked the class to write a research paper on why/if the murder of the Archduke of Austria-Hungary caused the world problems we have today, should i have said to him 'Just google it'? Doesn't work like that. You find the proof for your claims.

DroidPhysX

Find proof to back up YOUR claims

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUlYqzSHicM

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/afghanistan/article7087637.ece

A few exampels that really demonize NATO forces in the region.. It may or may not be as bad of what the Taliban has done.. But when you start having comparisons brought up against you, with extremist forces.. Thats when you pull the hell out of the region.

20 bucks says it was detonated by remote and not by the kid.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] The difference is that I'm not your teacher, I don't have to grade you, or would you like me to? we are having a conversation, a debate a discussion so I give for granted that I'm talking to people that can do their homework without having to tell them.kuraimen

Find proof to back up YOUR claims

Here is several estimates of the casualties of the war in Iraq only. One of the wars which started because 3000 innocent people were killed and the lowest estimate is 98,170 civilians due to the conflict. Of course NATO allies don't count the civilians they directly kill because it will be awfull for people to know :roll: Still it is an estimate that makes the 3000 dead in 911 look like a detail.

forgot the link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War

Now you claimed that terrorists wake up and decide to kill people one day so please provide proof of this.

I never claimed that:|

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] The difference is that I'm not your teacher, I don't have to grade you, or would you like me to? we are having a conversation, a debate a discussion so I give for granted that I'm talking to people that can do their homework without having to tell them.sSubZerOo

Find proof to back up YOUR claims

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUlYqzSHicM

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/afghanistan/article7087637.ece

A few exampels that really demonize NATO forces in the region.. It may or may not be as bad of what the Taliban has done.. But when you start having comparisons brought up against you, with extremist forces.. Thats when you pull the hell out of the region.