1421 the year china discovered America

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#1 frannkzappa
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So i just finished reading 1421 the year china discovered America, and in this book the author goes on and on about how china supposedly china landed in America in 1421 AD , years before Columbus. Now that's all fine and good, however, THE VIKINGS LANDED IN AMERICA DURING THE 10TH CENTURY AD!!!!!!!

How does someone who spent so much time working on a theory completely overlook such commonplace knowledge???

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#2 Ace6301
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Even then there's a fair amount of evidence to suggest that the native population of North America cross a land bridge to get there in the first place. But yeah American was known of well before the 1400's, it just wasn't common knowledge or successfully settled by those from the "old continents" until then.
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#3 ScorpionTroll
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I guess neither the Chinese or the Vikings had the desire or ability to really make anything of their discovery.

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#4 FMAB_GTO
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I think maybe some old OLD people also landed America but they didn't record it,could be possible eh.
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People were flying all around the world with aliens long before that though. So I'm unimpressed with all of that.

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#6 Oleg_Huzwog
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Why would he mention the vikings in his book? The vikings had nothing to do with what he was describing. Or are you under the silly impression that "discovery" is a one time only thing that only one person can possibly be credited for?

And that book is crap. Historians around the world have pretty much universally dismissed his book as a complete fabrication.

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Even then there's a fair amount of evidence to suggestthat the native population of North America cross a land bridge to get there in the first place. But yeah American was known of well before the 1400's, it just wasn't common knowledge or successfully settled by those from the "old continents" until then.Ace6301

I don't see that as up for debate, how else would they have gotten there?

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Why would he mention the vikings in his book? The vikings had nothing to do with what he was describing. Or are you under the silly impression that "discovery" is a one time only thing that only one person can possibly be credited for?

And that book is crap. Historians around the world have pretty much universally dismissed his book as a complete fabrication.

Oleg_Huzwog

Well vikings are relevant because this guy claimed that the Chinese were the first old world group to land in the Americas(aside from the originals of course).

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[QUOTE="Ace6301"]Even then there's a fair amount of evidence to suggestthat the native population of North America cross a land bridge to get there in the first place. But yeah American was known of well before the 1400's, it just wasn't common knowledge or successfully settled by those from the "old continents" until then.frannkzappa

I don't see that as up for debate, how else would they have gotten there?

Spaceships.

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#10 frannkzappa
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[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="Ace6301"]Even then there's a fair amount of evidence to suggestthat the native population of North America cross a land bridge to get there in the first place. But yeah American was known of well before the 1400's, it just wasn't common knowledge or successfully settled by those from the "old continents" until then.Storm_Marine

I don't see that as up for debate, how else would they have gotten there?

Spaceships.

That's what the new HISTORY Chanel keeps trying to tell me.

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#11 Oleg_Huzwog
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[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

Why would he mention the vikings in his book? The vikings had nothing to do with what he was describing. Or are you under the silly impression that "discovery" is a one time only thing that only one person can possibly be credited for?

And that book is crap. Historians around the world have pretty much universally dismissed his book as a complete fabrication.

frannkzappa

Well vikings are relevant because this guy claimed that the Chinese were the first old world group to land in the Americas(aside from the originals of course).

Ah, well remember this is the same author who also claimed that Atlantis was real and that they too discovered America... so yeah, feel free to ignore just about everything that guy wrote.

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#12 Ace6301
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[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="Ace6301"]Even then there's a fair amount of evidence to suggestthat the native population of North America cross a land bridge to get there in the first place. But yeah American was known of well before the 1400's, it just wasn't common knowledge or successfully settled by those from the "old continents" until then.Storm_Marine

I don't see that as up for debate, how else would they have gotten there?

Spaceships.

Not just any spaceship! A serpent shaped one with feathers! Seriously though the Island hopping theory is really the only other theory with any real evidence behind it. Land bridge is by far the most evidenced theory but there is still debate.
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#13 frannkzappa
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[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

Why would he mention the vikings in his book? The vikings had nothing to do with what he was describing. Or are you under the silly impression that "discovery" is a one time only thing that only one person can possibly be credited for?

And that book is crap. Historians around the world have pretty much universally dismissed his book as a complete fabrication.

Oleg_Huzwog

Well vikings are relevant because this guy claimed that the Chinese were the first old world group to land in the Americas(aside from the originals of course).

Ah, well remember this is the same author who also claimed that Atlantis was real and that they too discovered America... so yeah, feel free to ignore just about everything that guy wrote.

Well i knew he was crazy, i just didn't know how dumb he was.

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[QUOTE="Ace6301"]Even then there's a fair amount of evidence to suggest that the native population of North America cross a land bridge to get there in the first place. But yeah American was known of well before the 1400's, it just wasn't common knowledge or successfully settled by those from the "old continents" until then.

First off, yes, that is how the natives got here. It's not just "suggested". We know that. And second, no, it wasn't known of. There may have been stories in Iceland, Greenland and Norway and legends in mainland Europe but no one "knew" that it existed. For decades, if not centuries after exploring the Americas they thought California was a very large island so they certainly couldn't have known for sure the Americas existed before Columbus, except for Leif Erikson's party.
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#16 frannkzappa
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awwww i had hoped some of gamespots resident conspiracy theorists would weigh in on this thread....guess not.

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#17 Ace6301
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[QUOTE="FalcoLX"][QUOTE="Ace6301"]Even then there's a fair amount of evidence to suggest that the native population of North America cross a land bridge to get there in the first place. But yeah American was known of well before the 1400's, it just wasn't common knowledge or successfully settled by those from the "old continents" until then.

First off, yes, that is how the natives got here. It's not just "suggested". We know that. And second, no, it wasn't known of. There may have been stories in Iceland, Greenland and Norway and legends in mainland Europe but no one "knew" that it existed. For decades, if not centuries after exploring the Americas they thought California was a very large island so they certainly couldn't have known for sure the Americas existed before Columbus, except for Leif Erikson's party.

Can we perhaps stop arguing over what we think the other person said and focus on the facts? Really, I think there's enough pedantic arguments here as it is. I mean in the second paragraph you even acknowledge that "vinland" was known of by Erikson's party which is what I mean by it being known by not common knowledge. As for the land bridge I'm speaking scientifically. It's evidenced and well accepted. It is however still debated. Perhaps I could have phrased it better but still we don't need to jump on each others throats for phrasing we dislike.
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#18 StRaItJaCkEt36
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IT really doesn't matter who discovered America unless they settled there, prospered there, traded there, created something there that had some impact on humanity.
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#19 freek666
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China chartered a lot of ocean and visited a lot of places back then. I think it was in the 15th century that they were checking out the north of Australia, around Queensland (how unfortunate) and iirc it was the earliest charterings of Australia. Though some group was scoping out the west coast around the same time, maybe a little later.

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#20 greenskittles
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They are a great civilization, the greatest? Perhaps, having 1 billion people under one rule for 2000 years is pretty big achievement. To bad they decided the only thing they wanted out of outer-continental expansion was a Northern African giraffe for show... they could have been even better!

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#21 DraugenCP
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Because pseudo-science.

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#22 Marth6781
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Well africans have been in mexico and parts of south america since around 10th/11th century ad.
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#23 Lonelynight
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not enough evidence