16 -year old girl killed by her father because of religon

[QUOTE="EndersAres"]This is more about honor than anything else. The family was very religious and to have someone in your family especially your own child not following the rules and completely ignoring them is embarrassing and a huge insult to the family and the religion. I think it's sad that life was lost but this is how some decide to live.killtactics

Honor is subjective...and considering that there are many families (generally Muslim) that are part of a culture that condones honor killings, it most certainly is about honor. A twisted, and terrifying honor - but an honor nonetheless.

religions like this should bekept on a very tight leashin the us, as they promote great deals of violence

[QUOTE="EndersAres"]This is more about honor than anything else. The family was very religious and to have someone in your family especially your own child not following the rules and completely ignoring them is embarrassing and a huge insult to the family and the religion. I think it's sad that life was lost but this is how some decide to live.spierdalaj666

You can't be serious. Hell, i went through the rebellious years myself, i'm sure almost everybody does, but this doesn't provide anyone with justification for murder. While i understand that the discussion in this thread isn't focusing on islam as a religion per se, the concept of honor killings is pretty much restricted to islam, sorry. Every other week i seem to hear of girls in western countries being killed by their fathers/brothers, and guess what they all have in common, that's right they're all muslim.

Sorry to get the PC police on this but it's true. As it is right now, islam is a tribal religion, that like judaism before it, will have to break those primitive chains or else it will never be accepted as a civil religion; and I'm not even going to mention the strange concepts of gang rapes that seem to pervade some of the societies that practice this religion.

Yep...she lives in my city too. she also goes to my sisters school

sad :(

Kikouken

ya thats why I posted. I live in mississauga also..

islam has nothing to do with "honor killing" it is absolutly aganist Islam to kill... this is a culture thing....your clearly one of those types that thinks this case represents the majority... killtactics

No. It's absolutely against unjustified or needless killing.

[QUOTE="killtactics"][QUOTE="EndersAres"]This is more about honor than anything else. The family was very religious and to have someone in your family especially your own child not following the rules and completely ignoring them is embarrassing and a huge insult to the family and the religion. I think it's sad that life was lost but this is how some decide to live.The_Ish

Honor is subjective...and considering that there are many families (generally Muslim) that are part of a culture that condones honor killings, it most certainly is about honor. A twisted, and terrifying honor - but an honor nonetheless.

religions like this should bekept on a very tight leashin the us, as they promote great deals of violence

PC_JOE_9

That would be in violation of the Constitution.

religions like this should bekept on a very tight leashin the us, as they promote great deals of violencePC_JOE_9

[QUOTE="spierdalaj666"]

[QUOTE="EndersAres"]This is more about honor than anything else. The family was very religious and to have someone in your family especially your own child not following the rules and completely ignoring them is embarrassing and a huge insult to the family and the religion. I think it's sad that life was lost but this is how some decide to live.killtactics

You can't be serious. Hell, i went through the rebellious years myself, i'm sure almost everybody does, but this doesn't provide anyone with justification for murder. While i understand that the discussion in this thread isn't focusing on islam as a religion per se, the concept of honor killings is pretty much restricted to islam, sorry. Every other week i seem to hear of girls in western countries being killed by their fathers/brothers, and guess what they all have in common, that's right they're all muslim.

Sorry to get the PC police on this but it's true. As it is right now, islam is a tribal religion, that like judaism before it, will have to break those primitive chains or else it will never be accepted as a civil religion; and I'm not even going to mention the strange concepts of gang rapes that seem to pervade some of the societies that practice this religion.

Well, let's not get into the quran argument here. Having read the quran, i must say that there are many things in it that are rather frightening and as it pertains to murder, rather contradictory. I was simply saying that honor killing seems to be an accepted norm in muslim countries. If it wasn't, then i'm sure we'd hear of demonstrations against such acts. But as it stands, there doesn't seem to be a movement against honor killings.

On the point of the quran, has anyone here actually read it? It is written from the perspective of a tribal society (which in 700 AD or so when the quran was written down, the arabian peninsula was one). I'm sure that it will take a hundred years for the quran, much like the bible, to be spared a literal (i.e., tribal) interpretation. If this doesn't happen, then we'll be hearing about honor killings years from now.

On a tangent, the gang rape story i brought up referred to a story from pakistan whereby a woman (what a surprise) dishonored her family, and therefore 5-10 guys decided to gang rape her. I won't even bring up the recent case from saudi arabia where a woman was gang raped simply for not being accompanied by a male relative because it would attest to the primitivism of that tribal country.

[QUOTE="killtactics"][QUOTE="spierdalaj666"]

[QUOTE="EndersAres"]This is more about honor than anything else. The family was very religious and to have someone in your family especially your own child not following the rules and completely ignoring them is embarrassing and a huge insult to the family and the religion. I think it's sad that life was lost but this is how some decide to live.spierdalaj666

You can't be serious. Hell, i went through the rebellious years myself, i'm sure almost everybody does, but this doesn't provide anyone with justification for murder. While i understand that the discussion in this thread isn't focusing on islam as a religion per se, the concept of honor killings is pretty much restricted to islam, sorry. Every other week i seem to hear of girls in western countries being killed by their fathers/brothers, and guess what they all have in common, that's right they're all muslim.

Sorry to get the PC police on this but it's true. As it is right now, islam is a tribal religion, that like judaism before it, will have to break those primitive chains or else it will never be accepted as a civil religion; and I'm not even going to mention the strange concepts of gang rapes that seem to pervade some of the societies that practice this religion.

Well, let's not get into the quran argument here. Having read the quran, i must say that there are many things in it that are rather frightening and as it pertains to murder, rather contradictory. I was simply saying that honor killing seems to be an accepted norm in muslim countries. If it wasn't, then i'm sure we'd hear of demonstrations against such acts. But as it stands, there doesn't seem to be a movement against honor killings.

On the point of the quran, has anyone here actually read it? It is written from the perspective of a tribal society (which in 700 AD or so when the quran was written down, the arabian peninsula was one). I'm sure that it will take a hundred years for the quran, much like the bible, to be spared a literal (i.e., tribal) interpretation. If this doesn't happen, then we'll be hearing about honor killings years from now.

On a tangent, the gang rape story i brought up referred to a story from pakistan whereby a woman (what a surprise) dishonored her family, and therefore 5-10 guys decided to gang rape her. I won't even bring up the recent case from saudi arabia where a woman was gang raped simply for not being accompanied by a male relative because it would attest to the primitivism of that tribal country.

Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

But in this case you can substitute guns for religion.

FragStains

I would say misunderstandings kill people.

Well, let's not get into the quran argument here. Having read the quran, i must say that there are many things in it that are rather frightening and as it pertains to murder, rather contradictory. I was simply saying that honor killing seems to be an accepted norm in muslim countries. If it wasn't, then i'm sure we'd hear of demonstrations against such acts. But as it stands, there doesn't seem to be a movement against honor killings.

spierdalaj666

It's a part of Muslim society that has nothing to do with the Quran itself - though there are probably fatwas that say honor killings are okay. Honestly, if Middle Eastern Muslims are actually against the idea of honor killings, then they wouldn't continue to practice it in nations that don't impose that sort of barbarism. Take note though, that the majority ofthese honor killings are done by those of Middle Eastern descent. A large majority of Muslims are not Middle Eastern.

On the point of the quran, has anyone here actually read it? It is written from the perspective of a tribal society (which in 700 AD or so when the quran was written down, the arabian peninsula was one). I'm sure that it will take a hundred years for the quran, much like the bible, to be spared a literal (i.e., tribal) interpretation. If this doesn't happen, then we'll be hearing about honor killings years from now.

spierdalaj666

Yes, there are a bunch of posters here who have read it. All of them are Muslim, except for myself. I've read it several times, but I think Rimnet may be the most knowledgeable about it, if he is a bit disillusioned enough to become an apologetic for some of the things in the Quran or in Islam that is in no way acceptable. Don't take that to mean he is some sort of conservative fanatic or ignores reason - he's intelligent and morethan reasonable.

On a tangent, the gang rape story i brought up referred to a story from pakistan whereby a woman (what a surprise) dishonored her family, and therefore 5-10 guys decided to gang rape her. I won't even bring up the recent case from saudi arabia where a woman was gang raped simply for not being accompanied by a male relative because it would attest to the primitivism of that tribal country.

spierdalaj666

This is a folly of most of these nations that claim to be "Muslim". If you're going to discourage your women from practicing Western ideas on the basis that it will make her worthless and result in her being raped or humiliated, don't rape and humiliate them yourselves.

wow.... i love your logic, yes clearly Muslims are ok with honor killings b/c there is no demonstrations against them... using that logic i guess Americans are ok with rape b/c when was the last time you saw a demonstration against rape? and using a few things off the headlines is very good evidence....killtactics

Your opinion about my logical thinking is irrelevant. What is relevant are the criminal penalties in muslim countries for people who perpetrate such killings. If you can find me cases where honor killings are punished by life time in jail or a death penalty then i will agree with you. However, what we see is strikingly different; numerous extremely lenient verdicts for men who kill their sisters/daughters. with judges siding with the men rather than the women. In other cases, when a woman is gang raped rather than killed, she is treated as the instigator rather than the victim. So please, in all due respect, do some research before you decide to voice your knee-jerk response.

speaking of honor killings, you guys should really take the time to read what the quran says about women and honor. While it doesn't say that a "defiled" woman should be killed, it is certainly implied. I can't believe that you guys are defendinga misogynist religion so adamantly.spierdalaj666

But they'll jump on the Bible for it's mysogyny, because it's alright since we actually understand it! :D

speaking of honor killings, you guys should really take the time to read what the quran says about women and honor. While it doesn't say that a "defiled" woman should be killed, it is certainly implied. I can't believe that you guys are defendinga misogynist religion so adamantly.spierdalaj666

The bible suggests that if there are a bunch of rapists at the door, you should offer to throw your daughters to them rather than let them molest your male guests.

[QUOTE="MagnumPI"][QUOTE="lucas_kelly"]This is why religion is bad.DrummerJon

*Stops eating*

He can dress her how ever he wants to now.KiIIyou

Atleast he knows what to get her for xmas this year.....a coffin.skulper34

:o

:lol:

Yeah they dont celebrate christmas ^^^^^ whoever said that i think its called EDEhalo3-player

i hate it when muslims kill eachother our people where the reason for modern technology now we just fight

p.s im areligious muslim

[QUOTE="spierdalaj666"]speaking of honor killings, you guys should really take the time to read what the quran says about women and honor. While it doesn't say that a "defiled" woman should be killed, it is certainly implied. I can't believe that you guys are defendinga misogynist religion so adamantly.PherdnutChiken

The bible suggests that if there are a bunch of rapists at the door, you should offer to throw your daughters to them rather than let them molest your male guests.

You know, i'm the last person you'll ever hear defending the bible as being logical and grounded in reality. It is a written "historical" account of the tribes of israel interspersed with chit chats with god. If you read the bible, god favors the killing of non-believers (and polytheists). Not very god-like behavior is it. This is just like in the quran and the hadiths, where muhammad tells his followers to raid caravans and steal their goods, etc.

As you can see, this is the problem with literal interpretations of ancient religious texts. God seems to sanction almost every immoral action that we can think of, so it really isn't much of a stretch when certain individuals like that father who killed his daughter base their actions on their religion beleifs.

Religious nuts give a bad name to normal reiglious followers.UssjTrunks

amen

He can dress her how ever he wants to now.KiIIyou

I'm sick. :lol: