17 dollars for a carton of Camel filters... is this legit?

Smokers come up with the poorest analogies:

"Everything is bad for you."

"Your car and electricity pollutes too."

"It's my life, I can do what I want with it."

In reality though, the arguments are just very bad tripe, and that's all they kind of are.

avatar_genius

I've never had a ciggarette in my life and any tar or crud on my lungs is a result of someone else's crappy habit, thanks, because smoking is "so hard."

avatar_genius

[QUOTE="avatar_genius"]

[QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"] I don't smoke. But if i did what if i didn't wanna quit? It is no business of yours. limpbizkit818

Poorest excuse ever.

YOUR choice, right?

No, bad argument. Smoking is bad. Try again.

Personal choice is a "bad argument" and a "poor excuse":? It's not suppose to be an argument, it's his choice. Bottom line.

No, "personal choice" is a poor argument used by people who can't see past the next ten minutes.

[QUOTE="avatar_genius"]

Smokers come up with the poorest analogies:

"Everything is bad for you."

"Your car and electricity pollutes too."

"It's my life, I can do what I want with it."

In reality though, the arguments are just very bad tripe, and that's all they kind of are.

RiseAgainst12

I could think of any number of things I could do simply because I "wanted" to, so can I just to do them?

It's my personal choice to do them. Why not?

[QUOTE="Citrus25"]Smoking is bad for your health.MocktheDead

So is pie and everything else thats good:cry:.

[QUOTE="avatar_genius"]

I've never had a ciggarette in my life and any tar or crud on my lungs is a result of someone else's crappy habit, thanks, because smoking is "so hard."

_Horde

Really, smoking is comparable to driving? No way. Is it? Then show me if they are so similar.

TC if you look under the legal section, they say:

4. It is the responsibility of the Buyer to ascertain and comply with any laws in regard to the purchase and use of any cigarette products. In order to determine the applicable limits on purchases or taxing responsibilities, if any, imposed by your particular state, the consumer may want to contact their state authorities.

So it looks legit, just avoiding added taxes.

[QUOTE="avatar_genius"]

[QUOTE="limpbizkit818"]

Personal choice is a "bad argument" and a "poor excuse":? It's not suppose to be an argument, it's his choice. Bottom line.

RiseAgainst12

No, "personal choice" is a poor argument used by people who can't see past the next ten minutes.

At least my lungs don't look like a swamp.

... or the inside of a trash can, or a nuclear fallout zone

[QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"][QUOTE="avatar_genius"]

Smokers come up with the poorest analogies:

"Everything is bad for you."

"Your car and electricity pollutes too."

"It's my life, I can do what I want with it."

In reality though, the arguments are just very bad tripe, and that's all they kind of are.

avatar_genius

I could think of any number of things I could do simply because I "wanted" to, so can I just to do them?

It's my personal choice to do them. Why not?

[QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"][QUOTE="avatar_genius"]

No, "personal choice" is a poor argument used by people who can't see past the next ten minutes.

avatar_genius

At least my lungs don't look like a swamp.

[QUOTE="avatar_genius"]

[QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"] Or how about they don't need one? if they wanna smoke so be it. RiseAgainst12

I could think of any number of things I could do simply because I "wanted" to, so can I just to do them?

It's my personal choice to do them. Why not?

First off, smoking from someone else also pollutes my air.

I can't go to the skatepark without some 14-year-old lighting up.

So it does affect my life.

BTW. there are also Chinese counterfeit cigarettes now. which are even worse for you than the regular ones.Ontain

[QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"][QUOTE="avatar_genius"]

I could think of any number of things I could do simply because I "wanted" to, so can I just to do them?

It's my personal choice to do them. Why not?

avatar_genius

First off, smoking from someone else also pollutes my air.

I can't go to the skatepark without some 14-year-old lighting up.

So it does affect my life.

[QUOTE="avatar_genius"]

[QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"] Your an idiot.RiseAgainst12

At least my lungs don't look like a swamp.

Smoking is still a bad choice, and it reaks as well.

Smoking is bad for your health.Citrus25

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[QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"] As long as it doesn't directly affect another persons life then yes, by all means go ahead.RiseAgainst12

First off, smoking from someone else also pollutes my air.

I can't go to the skatepark without some 14-year-old lighting up.

So it does affect my life.

Are you trying to win on technicality or are you actually trying to create a good argument?

The thing is, ciggarettes only have one purpose, to cure a quick nicotene fix for when people are stressed out.

Cattle and cars have plenty of purposes and may have side effects.

But smoking is basically for when someone is stressed out and they shoot up and the nicotene helps them relax. That's the only purpose, it's a short-term fix, and the problem is the long term consequences of lighting this short term fix are so stagerringly high.

It's ridiculous, people are paying to make themselves sick, I can't wrap my mind around it. They pay to make themselves sick and then they have to pay even more to make themselves better, and the excuse "quitting is too hard" is such a cheap excuse, it's not that it's too hard, the smoker just isn't strong enough to do it. Maybe if they weren't so naive enough to pick up such a bad habit in the first place, they wouldn't have to worry about the difficulty of quitting.

avatar_genius

Cigarettes are a stress reliever. Everyone has one. Going off that last statistic, they're less harmful than the cars people use everyday so there's really no big deal. They have more personal uses than just smoking. They're little time fillers; I've known people start smoking purely for the 5 min smoking breaks you can get at work. Not the smartest idea in the world, but meh, it works. They also keep your hands busy which is perfect for a person with neurosis (watch Shine if you haven't already).

I'm not sure "shooting up" means what you think it means. :?

Yes, smoking is hazardous to your health...as is nigh on everything in this world. But smoking is a personal choice that, with all the laws in place against public smoking, barely has any affect on you anymore. The myth that smokers are somehow weaker than you is just as much of a self-serving argument that people who post online have no friends in reality to talk these things through. Plus, would you say that to thesetwo?

You have to pay for the cigarettes, and then you have to pay for the life-support machine when you're 65.

It has bad idea written all over it.

[QUOTE="AirGuitarist87"]Define "significant".avatar_genius

[QUOTE="avatar_genius"][QUOTE="AirGuitarist87"]Define "significant".AirGuitarist87

No, I think the answers as to why transportation is more important than smoking is pretty obvious. You have a brain, use it and figure out why, you don't need someone to always feed you your answers.

[QUOTE="AirGuitarist87"][QUOTE="avatar_genius"][QUOTE="AirGuitarist87"]Define "significant".avatar_genius

No, I think the answers as to why transportation is more important than smoking is pretty obvious. You have a brain, use it and figure out why, you don't need someone to always feed you your answers.

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[QUOTE="Citrus25"]Smoking is bad for your health.Big_Bad_Sad

[QUOTE="AirGuitarist87"][QUOTE="avatar_genius"]Figure it out.avatar_genius

No, I think the answers as to why transportation is more important than smoking is pretty obvious. You have a brain, use it and figure out why, you don't need someone to always feed you your answers.

[QUOTE="Big_Bad_Sad"][QUOTE="Citrus25"]Smoking is bad for your health.Citrus25

It's mostly taxes by the goverment. One of the ways they are trying to get people to quite smoking. As a smoker it makes me feel sad:cry:. I't makes me wish I lived in the 1960s, ahh what a smokers paradise that must have been.

I should know, Ive been smoking for 8 years.Big_Bad_Sad

http://www.quitnow.info.au/

So old saying was right "Once you start, you can't stop", but just go Cold turkey. The only way is to overcome the craving is to go through it.

But seriously, check the link i gave you.

How about just don't smoke cigarettes?

[QUOTE="bobstos"]just need a straight answer here guys, don't need a conscience...Citrus25

Check the fine print. If the price seems super-cheap to you, it's usually because they aren't U.S.-made, but foreign companies that bought a license to make Camels.

People in Oklahoma and other states went to buy cigarettes on Indian reservations for years because they were exempt from federal tobacco taxes.

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[QUOTE="Citrus25"]Smoking is bad for your health.avatar_genius

So is pie and everything else thats good:cry:.

I've heard that argument so many times and it's terrible.

"Everything's bad for you."

Not to the same extent and look at it, for real, it's cancering your lungs away, my god, I thought this should be obvious, but apparently people want to cheaply rationalize their way out of anything.

[QUOTE="AirGuitarist87"][QUOTE="avatar_genius"]

Poorest excuse ever.

YOUR choice, right?

No, bad argument. Smoking is bad. Try again.

avatar_genius

The thing is, ciggarettes only have one purpose, to cure a quick nicotene fix for when people are stressed out.

Cattle and cars have plenty of purposes and may have side effects.

But smoking is basically for when someone is stressed out and they shoot up and the nicotene helps them relax. That's the only purpose, it's a short-term fix, and the problem is the long term consequences of lighting this short term fix are so stagerringly high.

It's ridiculous, people are paying to make themselves sick, I can't wrap my mind around it. They pay to make themselves sick and then they have to pay even more to make themselves better, and the excuse "quitting is too hard" is such a cheap excuse, it's not that it's too hard, the smoker just isn't strong enough to do it. Maybe if they weren't so naive enough to pick up such a bad habit in the first place, they wouldn't have to worry about the difficulty of quitting.

[QUOTE="avatar_genius"]

[QUOTE="MocktheDead"]

So is pie and everything else thats good:cry:.

bobaban

I've heard that argument so many times and it's terrible.

"Everything's bad for you."

Not to the same extent and look at it, for real, it's cancering your lungs away, my god, I thought this should be obvious, but apparently people want to cheaply rationalize their way out of anything.

Have fun having your lungs look liek this piece of ****:

I dont know why people wanna damage their lungs.

You have to pay for the cigarettes, and then you have to pay for the life-support machine when you're 65.

It has bad idea written all over it.

avatar_genius

You have no argument.

ZOMG SMOKIN IS BAD DUDE STOP IT KILLS IM VERY SMART BEKAUSE I DONT SMOKE LOLOLOLOOOLOL!!111111

that's your argument there. I have been smoking for 4 years and if i want my lungs full of tar and looking like a nuclear fallout then that's my choice. If you don't want smoke on your lungs then stay away from smokers. Nobody is forcing you to inhale everything that comes out of a ciggaret.

tl;dr: stop it. You are very annoying.

I almost wish it was that expensive here in Thailand. If it was $20 a pack I would probably quit. It's a little under $2 per pack though and that makes it really easy to keep smoking :\ I'm working on quitting anyway though, it is pretty stupid.

I don't smoke, nor will I ever.

[QUOTE="MocktheDead"][QUOTE="avatar_genius"]

I've heard that argument so many times and it's terrible.

"Everything's bad for you."

Not to the same extent and look at it, for real, it's cancering your lungs away, my god, I thought this should be obvious, but apparently people want to cheaply rationalize their way out of anything.

avatar_genius

Pie doesn't pollute my air.

Chances are that the TC doesn't pollute your air either, unless you can estblish that the both of you live in the same country, state, and city. And even then, you have to establish that the two of you have ever met. And then you have to establish that he was smoking when the two of you met. And then you have to establish ownership of the air. (After all, maybe it was actually HIS air, which then means he can do with it what he pleases.)

So yeah...in all probability, the cigarettes that the TC smokes are in all probability no more harmful to you than the pies that a random dude stuffs into his fat face.

[QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"][QUOTE="avatar_genius"]

If smoking is so difficult, maybe you should quit, unless it's too difficult and you aren't strong enough to do it.

avatar_genius

Poorest excuse ever.

YOUR choice, right?

No, bad argument. Smoking is bad. Try again.

Yeah, and videogames are a stupid waste of time, artistically void, and glorify violence and murder. IMO, videogames are utterly stupid, cater to people who are too ignorant to know that they're getting treated like idiots, and foster a culture which just generally has little value for life.

Hey, everyone's got opinions.

Multiply all the hours you've spent playing videogames and surfing Gamespot, and then come back here and try to tell me that that was time well-spent.

[QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"][QUOTE="avatar_genius"]

Poorest excuse ever.

YOUR choice, right?

No, bad argument. Smoking is bad. Try again.

wildjango64

That's just it. The most vocal and annoying anti-smoking personalities generally DON'T care about other people's health. They have no interest in convincing the other dude to quit, because they know damn well that human psychology speaks otherwise.

Fact: when someone comes up and starts bossing people around and belittling them, the natural tendency is for the other person to go completely in the opposite direction.

You might walk up to the counter and say, "I really need to quit this garbage, but I think I'll have one pack of cigarettes."

The cashier then says, "yeah you do need to quit. You stink, and you're killing innocent people, you monster."

You're then like, "**** you, you little dip****! You don't know **** about me! Give me ten cartons of cigarettes, and bring your manager out here so I can get you fired!"

Anti-smoking people KNOW that this is EXACTLY how it goes. They know that the more "in-your-face" they get with smokers, the more those same smokers are going to get pissed off and then smoke more just to give out the middle finger.

The health of others is the LAST thing that these kinds of people are concerned with, because they KNOW that their attitudes actually get people to want to smoke MORE.

No, these people are all about one thing: stroking their own egos. They don't WANT smokers to quit, because then they'd have to find a new group of people to whom which it is socially acceptable to act so superior to. Talking down to smokers makes them feel important, and that matters more than any health concerns.

I've actually been standing outside in the open air, and had people walk over to me just so they could rant about how I'm killing them. Never mind that they wouldn't have breathed in my smoke AT ALL if they hadn't felt the need to walk all the way across the park just to yell at me.

[QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"][QUOTE="avatar_genius"]

No, "personal choice" is a poor argument used by people who can't see past the next ten minutes.

avatar_genius

At least my lungs don't look like a swamp.

... or the inside of a trash can, or a nuclear fallout zone

See, that's the thing. When I socialize with people, I'm not interacting with their lungs or their tumors or the plaque built up in their arteries. I'm dealing with their PERSONALITIES.

And between you and the other people in this thread, guess whose personality is looking uglier right now?

It's mostly taxes by the goverment. One of the ways they are trying to get people to quite smoking. As a smoker it makes me feel sad:cry:. I't makes me wish I lived in the 1960s, ahh what a smokers paradise that must have been.

clubsammich91

Let's make this perfectly clear. They are NOT trying to get people to quit smoking. Because cigarettes have got to be at least 80% tax. If people quit smoking, then they're gonna have to make up that tax SOMEWHERE.