2 Girls Accused Of Killing G@y Man

Of course, their defense will be that it was in self defense (he did slap her first, a stupid move on his part) and their sentence will be lightened (there's no way they're getting off scott-free) because it was a gay guy.Theokhoth

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Of course, their defense will be that it was in self defense (he did slap her first, a stupid move on his part) and their sentence will be lightened (there's no way they're getting off scott-free) because it was a gay guy.BiancaDK

There's a mindset people still have that gays somehow "deserve what's coming to them." It used to be that a valid legal defense for harming or killing a gay person because the gay person hit on them.

[QUOTE="BiancaDK"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Of course, their defense will be that it was in self defense (he did slap her first, a stupid move on his part) and their sentence will be lightened (there's no way they're getting off scott-free) because it was a gay guy.Theokhoth

There's a mindset people still have that gays somehow "deserve what's coming to them." It used to be that a valid legal defense for harming or killing a gay person because the gay person hit on them.

[QUOTE="BiancaDK"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Of course, their defense will be that it was in self defense (he did slap her first, a stupid move on his part) and their sentence will be lightened (there's no way they're getting off scott-free) because it was a gay guy.Theokhoth

There's a mindset people still have that gays somehow "deserve what's coming to them." It used to be that a valid legal defense for harming or killing a gay person because the gay person hit on them.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="BiancaDK"] how will the victim being homosexual make the sentence any lighter?supa_badman

There's a mindset people still have that gays somehow "deserve what's coming to them." It used to be that a valid legal defense for harming or killing a gay person because the gay person hit on them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_panic_defense

And I was wrong; it still is a legal defense.

And I was wrong; it still is a legal defense.Theokhoth

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="BiancaDK"] how will the victim being homosexual make the sentence any lighter?BiancaDK

There's a mindset people still have that gays somehow "deserve what's coming to them." It used to be that a valid legal defense for harming or killing a gay person because the gay person hit on them.

The defense will be going for the demographics most likely to be homophobic for the jury audience (they can't ask, "do you hate gays?" but they can appoint jurors from fundie churches or others more likely to hate gays), and that's not a difficult find.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]And I was wrong; it still is a legal defense.Vandalvideo

Well, I wasn't expecting them to use it because the defendants here are women; I doubt the guy would have hit on them and triggered the gay panic. :P

Of course, their defense will be that it was in self defense (he did slap her first, a stupid move on his part) and their sentence will be lightened (there's no way they're getting off scott-free) because it was a gay guy.Theokhoth

Nah, I don't think they'll be able to raise self-defense. The force used wasn't at all reasonable or proportionate in the circumstances plus it's an all or nothing defense, acquittal or nothing. They'll probably rely on voluntary intoxication, but it's unlikely to succeed, it appears they still formed the mens rea for the defense, and a drunken mens rea is still a mens rea. Plus they'll probably get rejected because manslaughter is a basic intent offense, not a specific intent offense.

They can't rely on provocation either, it's only a defense to murder.

I don't think we need to worry, they haven't got many options for a legal defense in this country.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Of course, their defense will be that it was in self defense (he did slap her first, a stupid move on his part) and their sentence will be lightened (there's no way they're getting off scott-free) because it was a gay guy.T_P_O

The defense will be going for the demographics most likely to be homophobic for the jury audience (they can't ask, "do you hate gays?" but they can appoint jurors from fundie churches or others more likely to hate gays), and that's not a difficult find.

Theokhoth

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The defense will be going for the demographics most likely to be homophobic for the jury audience (they can't ask, "do you hate gays?" but they can appoint jurors from fundie churches or others more likely to hate gays), and that's not a difficult find.

BiancaDK

It's likely. The two prevalent mindsets surrounding homosexuals in the United States are that they are either ridiculous clowns not to be taken seriously or apocalypse-bringers that will eventually bring the wrath of God down on the world.

It's likely. The two prevalent mindsets surrounding homosexuals in the United States are that they are either ridiculous clowns not to be taken seriously or apocalypse-bringers that will eventually bring the wrath of God down on the world.

Theokhoth

I won't lie, I lol'd when I read the topic title.

It's pretty pathetic that something like this would happen.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

It's likely. The two prevalent mindsets surrounding homosexuals in the United States are that they are either ridiculous clowns not to be taken seriously or apocalypse-bringers that will eventually bring the wrath of God down on the world.

BiancaDK

London's got its own issues with gays.

[QUOTE="BiancaDK"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

It's likely. The two prevalent mindsets surrounding homosexuals in the United States are that they are either ridiculous clowns not to be taken seriously or apocalypse-bringers that will eventually bring the wrath of God down on the world.

Theokhoth

London's got its own issues with gays.

Well he did hit the girl right in front of her male friend, so what do you expect really? Although those girls took it way too far by stomping on him and killing him.

[QUOTE="supa_badman"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

There's a mindset people still have that gays somehow "deserve what's coming to them." It used to be that a valid legal defense for harming or killing a gay person because the gay person hit on them.

Theokhoth

*link*

And I was wrong; it still is a legal defense.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="BiancaDK"] This took place in London though.BiancaDK

London's got its own issues with gays.

The legal is based on those people, though.

Say for example that a black man in Arizona is on trial for killing a white man. The prosecution is going to do its damnedest to get as many white rednecks on the jury as they can, because that's a demographic more likely to be prejudiced against black people and thus a jury like that would be more likely to give the black defendant the harshest punishment possible. Likewise, the defense is going to try to get more open-minded demographics on the jury. . . but that's not easy, considering the location of the trial.

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[QUOTE="bededog"]This just in, video of the scene has been foundDJ-Lafleur

A man died, show some respect.

Ah, don't be like that. Twas just a light-hearted joke. Not like the man's loved ones are going to run across this thread.

The legal is based on those people, though.

Say for example that a black man in Arizona is on trial for killing a white man. The prosecution is going to do its damnedest to get as many white rednecks on the jury as they can, because that's a demographic more likely to be prejudiced against black people and thus a jury like that would be more likely to give the black defendant the harshest punishment possible. Likewise, the defense is going to try to get more open-minded demographics on the jury. . . but that's not easy, considering the location of the trial.

Theokhoth

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

The legal is based on those people, though.

Say for example that a black man in Arizona is on trial for killing a white man. The prosecution is going to do its damnedest to get as many white rednecks on the jury as they can, because that's a demographic more likely to be prejudiced against black people and thus a jury like that would be more likely to give the black defendant the harshest punishment possible. Likewise, the defense is going to try to get more open-minded demographics on the jury. . . but that's not easy, considering the location of the trial.

BiancaDK

I wouldn't be so sure.

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[QUOTE="MushroomWig"]

A man died, show some respect.

MushroomWig

Ah, don't be like that. Twas just a light-hearted joke. Not like the man's loved ones are going to run across this thread.

People die in tragic accidents everyday. You just need to cool it, because death is part of life, and there is no point getting down because you read on a Gamespot thread about someone dying.

[QUOTE="BiancaDK"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

The legal is based on those people, though.

Say for example that a black man in Arizona is on trial for killing a white man. The prosecution is going to do its damnedest to get as many white rednecks on the jury as they can, because that's a demographic more likely to be prejudiced against black people and thus a jury like that would be more likely to give the black defendant the harshest punishment possible. Likewise, the defense is going to try to get more open-minded demographics on the jury. . . but that's not easy, considering the location of the trial.

Theokhoth

I http://www.bbc.co.uk/london/content/articles/2005/05/27/gay_london_feature.shtml wouldn't be so sure.

I would.

First off, 5 year old article, 2ndly; "Today London is home to an economically and politically powerful gay population.", 3rdly; that article does not speak about injustices carried out against homosexuals in the modern legal system.

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[QUOTE="BiancaDK"] Yeah, but this is London. It doesen't get much more dynamic than that. I dunno' how things work in Alabama, but here in Europe this really isn't a prevalent issue. It's not on the news papers, no one is making a documentary of the gross injustice practiced here, and no gay politicans are making a case out of it.BiancaDK

I http://www.bbc.co.uk/london/content/articles/2005/05/27/gay_london_feature.shtml wouldn't be so sure.

I would.

First off, 5 year old article, 2ndly; "Today London is home to an economically and politically powerful gay population.", 3rdly; that article does not speak about injustices carried out against homosexuals in the modern legal system.

You're not getting it.

Firstly, five years is not a long time. Cultures don't change in five years except in the wake of a catastrophic event. Second, Issues exist such as discrimination in the armed forces and inequality in the age of consent for gay and heterosexual sex. The culture in London, legally and socially, is still sketchy. Thirdly, social culture will affect legal culture, especially in a trial by jury. The two are not mutually exclusive in any way. There is no such thing as an unbiased jury; there should be, that's the ideal, but it doesn't exist.

[QUOTE="BiancaDK"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

I http://www.bbc.co.uk/london/content/articles/2005/05/27/gay_london_feature.shtml wouldn't be so sure.

Theokhoth

I would.

First off, 5 year old article, 2ndly; "Today London is home to an economically and politically powerful gay population.", 3rdly; that article does not speak about injustices carried out against homosexuals in the modern legal system.

You're not getting it.

Firstly, five years is not a long time. Cultures don't change in five years except in the wake of a catastrophic event. Second, Issues exist such as discrimination in the armed forces and inequality in the age of consent for gay and heterosexual sex. The culture in London, legally and socially, is still sketchy. Thirdly, social culture will affect legal culture, especially in a trial by jury. The two are not mutually exclusive in any way. There is no such thing as an unbiased jury; there should be, that's the ideal, but it doesn't exist.

Stories like this really make me sad.

I can't believe someone would kill a man because of his sexual orientation. This should be a wake up call to society that things need to change. We shouldn't need stories like this to realize the lack of equality. Everyone should be able to live a normal life without fear of being attacked because of who you are.

It's completely disgusting.

Stories like this really make me sad.

I can't believe someone would kill a man because of his sexual orientation. This should be a wake up call to society that things need to change. We shouldn't need stories like this to realize the lack of equality. Everyone should be able to live a normal life without fear of being attacked because of who you are.

It's completely disgusting.

DaBlastaMasta

I hope they get life.II_Seraphim_II

They will not only will it be considered at very least manslaughter, but luckily Obama has made attacks on gays a hate crime.

[QUOTE="DaBlastaMasta"]

Stories like this really make me sad.

I can't believe someone would kill a man because of his sexual orientation. This should be a wake up call to society that things need to change. We shouldn't need stories like this to realize the lack of equality. Everyone should be able to live a normal life without fear of being attacked because of who you are.

It's completely disgusting.

BiancaDK

Oh, wow. I just realized the article says nothing about it being a hate crime.

Why would they put gay in the headline if that really had nothing to do with it?

Why would they put gay in the headline if that really had nothing to do with it?DaBlastaMasta

[QUOTE="MushroomWig"][QUOTE="DJ-Lafleur"]

Ah, don't be like that. Twas just a light-hearted joke. Not like the man's loved ones are going to run across this thread.

RAGINGxPONY

People die in tragic accidents everyday. You just need to cool it, because death is part of life, and there is no point getting down because you read on a Gamespot thread about someone dying.

disgusting piles of ****! these ****s should pay for what they did

I'm fine with people having their peaceful demonstration with the usual "God Hates f*gs" signs. As that's their right to do it (in America atleast) but killing an innoncent man is absolutely ridiculous. I'm not aware of the UK's use of the death penalty, but they might just deserve it.

I'm fine with people having their peaceful demonstration with the usual "God Hates f*gs" signs. As that's their right to do it (in America atleast) but killing an innoncent man is absolutely ridiculous. I'm not aware of the UK's use of the death penalty, but they might just deserve it.

drumbreak1

Once again I don't think people are reading the whole article. The gay guy grabbed and slapped one of the females first that is when the male friend came in punched him and made his head hit the ground hard which is was what killed him. The females went a bit overboard by stomping on him after he had been knocked to the ground probably in a fit of drunken rage because he had just slapped one of them.

The News seems to be blowing this out of proportion by pointing out he was gay.

[QUOTE="drumbreak1"]

I'm fine with people having their peaceful demonstration with the usual "God Hates f*gs" signs. As that's their right to do it (in America atleast) but killing an innoncent man is absolutely ridiculous. I'm not aware of the UK's use of the death penalty, but they might just deserve it.

kidsmelly

Once again I don't think people are reading the whole article. The gay guy grabbed and slapped one of the females first that is when the male friend came in punched him and made his head hit the ground hard which is was what killed him. The females went a bit overboard by stomping on him after he had been knocked to the ground probably in a fit of drunken rage because he had just slapped one of them.

The News seems to be blowing this out of proportion by pointing out he was gay.

These bigots disgust me. Killing a man just because of his orientation? It's sick. Have fun in prison.

I'd like to take this opportunity to say once again that both parties were probably drunk. I'm guessing if the deceased were sober he probably wouldn't have slapped the woman. A lot of people seem to be implying that he was sober and they were drunk. Both parties being drunk would probably explain why the deceased couldn't ignore the verbal assault, and thus decided to slap her. Just my opinion.

I'd like to take this opportunity to say once again that both parties were probably drunk. I'm guessing if the deceased were sober he probably wouldn't have slapped the woman. A lot of people seem to be implying that he was sober and they were drunk. Both parties being drunk would probably explain why the deceased couldn't ignore the verbal assault, and thus decided to slap her. Just my opinion.

DEVILinIRON

Irrelevant. Murder is still murder.

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I'd like to take this opportunity to say once again that both parties were probably drunk. I'm guessing if the deceased were sober he probably wouldn't have slapped the woman. A lot of people seem to be implying that he was sober and they were drunk. Both parties being drunk would probably explain why the deceased couldn't ignore the verbal assault, and thus decided to slap her. Just my opinion.

SgtKevali

Irrelevant. Murder is still murder.

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[QUOTE="DEVILinIRON"]

I'd like to take this opportunity to say once again that both parties were probably drunk. I'm guessing if the deceased were sober he probably wouldn't have slapped the woman. A lot of people seem to be implying that he was sober and they were drunk. Both parties being drunk would probably explain why the deceased couldn't ignore the verbal assault, and thus decided to slap her. Just my opinion.

DEVILinIRON

Irrelevant. Murder is still murder.

[QUOTE="DEVILinIRON"]

[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

Irrelevant. Murder is still murder.

SgtKevali

I lost faith in humanity...

Wow...