2012 election, would you vote for Obama for a second term?

He simply can't do anything without the cooperation of the Republicans, which is so far taking a toll on his presidency. Nevertheless, the Republicans don't have anyone better. All Republicans want to do is make the poor poorer and the rich richer.

Considering the current alternatives? Absolutely yes. However as always I am keeping my mind open. tman93

[QUOTE="tman93"]Considering the current alternatives? Absolutely yes. However as always I am keeping my mind open. ShadowDeathX

Definitely. His administration has persevered through some hellish events and the most ass-backwards immaturity from Congressional and statewide Republicans. Theokhoth

Agreed about Republicans, but he has also had to deal with some idealistic and nitpicky liberals who don't seem to understand how the political process works.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Definitely. His administration has persevered through some hellish events and the most ass-backwards immaturity from Congressional and statewide Republicans. GreySeal9

Agreed about Republicans, but he has also had to deal with some idealistic and nitpicky liberals who don't seem to understand how the political process works.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Definitely. His administration has persevered through some hellish events and the most ass-backwards immaturity from Congressional and statewide Republicans. Theokhoth

Agreed about Republicans, but he has also had to deal with some idealistic and nitpicky liberals who don't seem to understand how the political process works.

Yep. Those are the ones.

I would not. All the change he has promised has been left un-answered.

In due respect, he has had some good ideas, but with the wrongt ideas of

exucting them. He has also increased our debt by millions.

All-Madden09

What change that he has promised? He seems to be keeping up with his promises quite well so far given how difficult it is to get anything done. Wrong ideas about executing what? He actually had valid reasons for increasing the debt. We are in the worst recession since the great depression; it is necessary for the government to step in and go into debt to try to balance demand that is lost in the recession. Other presidents, Bush 43 and Reagan in particular, have had absolutely no excuses for the massive unpaid deficits that they ran during economic booms and peacetime. It is their debt that we are forced to pay off right now. He has been a decent, if not good, president given the circumstances we are in.

As opposed to...what? Voting for the republicans? :lol:

No, but seriously, until the republicans have someone worth voting for, we are all better off voting for the best man for the job, not simply voting by party.

Obama hasn't given me a reason to vote for him, more than just his job performance, I find his personal conduct disgusting and very unpresidential.

Obama hasn't given me a reason to vote for him, more than just his job performance, I find his personal conduct disgusting and very unpresidential.

QuistisTrepe_

Examples?

[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

Obama hasn't given me a reason to vote for him, more than just his job performance, I find his personal conduct disgusting and very unpresidential.

GreySeal9

Examples?

Obama hasn't given me a reason to vote for him, more than just his job performance, I find his personal conduct disgusting and very unpresidential.

QuistisTrepe_

I saw him go to mcdonalds and get some burgers for his staff. That is president like behaviour.

Until a better candidate presents himself, yes.

Until a better candidate presents himself, yes.

PatchMaster

[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

Obama hasn't given me a reason to vote for him, more than just his job performance, I find his personal conduct disgusting and very unpresidential.

Ilovegames1992

I saw him go to mcdonalds and get some burgers for his staff. That is president like behaviour.

I know. He could have been hanging out at his ranch for a month instead...

[QUOTE="PatchMaster"]

Until a better candidate presents himself, yes.

LJS9502_basic

Lol if that happens i'll eat my own face.

Hell no. I didn't vote for him the first time. Unlike most Americans, I don't like being spoonfeed my info and actually reasearched the candidates instead of just listening to the words they spewed during their run. I knew Obama winning was a mistake before he won. Why? Because I researched his background and realized just how cooked he really was. If he wins a second time, I will officially consider the United States to be the dumbest country in the world.

AmazonTreeBoa

The logical fallacies in this post are disturbing...

[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

Obama hasn't given me a reason to vote for him, more than just his job performance, I find his personal conduct disgusting and very unpresidential.

GreySeal9

Examples?

"Acting stupidly"

Waging public catfights with the media and talk show hosts

His idiotic comments during his Arizona speech (....Opened her eyes for the first time..... He always has to make it about himself)

Calling out the Supreme Court during a SOTU speech

His irresponible statements regarding Wisconsin (which Gov. Walker completely owned him on)

His recent vocal support for the Palestinans and his laughable demands on Israel

This, just for starters.

[QUOTE="PatchMaster"]

Until a better candidate presents himself, yes.

LJS9502_basic

I'll start doing more research as 2012 gets closer. I really wish the two party system would crumble as well.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="PatchMaster"]

Until a better candidate presents himself, yes.

PatchMaster

I'll start doing more research as 2012 gets closer. I really wish the two party system would crumble as well.

[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"]

Hell no. I didn't vote for him the first time. Unlike most Americans, I don't like being spoonfeed my info and actually reasearched the candidates instead of just listening to the words they spewed during their run. I knew Obama winning was a mistake before he won. Why? Because I researched his background and realized just how cooked he really was. If he wins a second time, I will officially consider the United States to be the dumbest country in the world.

DarkGamer007

The logical fallacies in this post are disturbing...

He researched Obama and this is what you're calling a logical fallacy?

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

Obama hasn't given me a reason to vote for him, more than just his job performance, I find his personal conduct disgusting and very unpresidential.

QuistisTrepe_

Examples?

"Acting stupidly"

Waging public catfights with the media and talk show hosts

His idiotic comments during his Arizona speech (....Opened her eyes for the first time..... He always has to make it about himself)

Calling out the Supreme Court during a SOTU speech

His irresponible statements regarding Wisconsin (which Gov. Walker completely owned him on)

His recent vocal support for the Palestinans and his laughable demands on Israel

This, just for starters.

Apart from the first example, they all seem political, not personal.

Apart from the first example, they all seem political, not personal.

Ilovegames1992

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

Apart from the first example, they all seem political, not personal.

Mousetaches

Well i was trying to be as diplomatic as i could but yes it doesnt really make any sense.

[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"]

Hell no. I didn't vote for him the first time. Unlike most Americans, I don't like being spoonfeed my info and actually reasearched the candidates instead of just listening to the words they spewed during their run. I knew Obama winning was a mistake before he won. Why? Because I researched his background and realized just how cooked he really was. If he wins a second time, I will officially consider the United States to be the dumbest country in the world.

DarkGamer007

The logical fallacies in this post are disturbing...

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

Obama hasn't given me a reason to vote for him, more than just his job performance, I find his personal conduct disgusting and very unpresidential.

QuistisTrepe_

Examples?

"Acting stupidly"

Waging public catfights with the media and talk show hosts

His idiotic comments during his Arizona speech (....Opened her eyes for the first time..... He always has to make it about himself)

Calling out the Supreme Court during a SOTU speech

His irresponible statements regarding Wisconsin (which Gov. Walker completely owned him on)

His recent vocal support for the Palestinans and his laughable demands on Israel

This, just for starters.

Are you serious with these? I mean, you could make a case that a few of them are unpresidential (such as calling out Fox news or what he said about the cops), but digusting? Really? Arnold Schwarzenegger's conduct or John Edward's conduct could be labeled digusting, but calling the things you listed digusting is as melodramatic as it gets.

As far as the "opened her eyes" comment, for all you know, that could have really happened. You're just reading what yo want into it.

What irresponsible statements did he make regarding Wisconsin?

His demands on Israel is just a case of you disagreeing. There's nothing unpresidential about it.

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

Apart from the first example, they all seem political, not personal.

Mousetaches

I was referring to this.

[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Examples?

GreySeal9

"Acting stupidly"

Waging public catfights with the media and talk show hosts

His idiotic comments during his Arizona speech (....Opened her eyes for the first time..... He always has to make it about himself)

Calling out the Supreme Court during a SOTU speech

His irresponible statements regarding Wisconsin (which Gov. Walker completely owned him on)

His recent vocal support for the Palestinans and his laughable demands on Israel

This, just for starters.

Are you serious with these? I mean, you could make a case that a few of them are unpresidential (such as calling out Fox news or what he said about the cops), but digusting? Really? Arnold Schwarzenegger's conduct or John Edward's conduct could be labeled digusting, but calling the things you listed digusting is as melodramatic as it gets.

As far as the "opened her eyes" comment, for all you know, that could have really happened. You're just reading what yo want into it.

What irresponsible statements did he make regarding Wisconsin?

His demands on Israel is just a case of you disagreeing. There's nothing unpresidential about it.

[QUOTE="DarkGamer007"]

[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"]

Hell no. I didn't vote for him the first time. Unlike most Americans, I don't like being spoonfeed my info and actually reasearched the candidates instead of just listening to the words they spewed during their run. I knew Obama winning was a mistake before he won. Why? Because I researched his background and realized just how cooked he really was. If he wins a second time, I will officially consider the United States to be the dumbest country in the world.

LJS9502_basic

The logical fallacies in this post are disturbing...

Considering a country dumb based on an election seems to be rather fallicious since the electorate is a) not all of America and b) is pretty evenly split in terms of the popular vote.

Other than that, I don't see any other fallacies, just alot of smugness.

I didn't vote for either Obama or Mr Pain. Neither person is fit for the job. They need someone who is a genius to run this country.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="DarkGamer007"]

The logical fallacies in this post are disturbing...

GreySeal9

Considering a country dumb based on an election seems to be rather fallicious since the electorate is a) not all of America and b) is pretty evenly split in terms of the popular vote.

Other than that, I don't see any other fallacies, just alot of smugness.

I didn't vote for either Obama or Mr Pain. Neither person is fit for the job. They need someone who is a genius to run this country.

whitetiger3521

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

"Acting stupidly"

Waging public catfights with the media and talk show hosts

His idiotic comments during his Arizona speech (....Opened her eyes for the first time..... He always has to make it about himself)

Calling out the Supreme Court during a SOTU speech

His irresponible statements regarding Wisconsin (which Gov. Walker completely owned him on)

His recent vocal support for the Palestinans and his laughable demands on Israel

This, just for starters.

LJS9502_basic

Are you serious with these? I mean, you could make a case that a few of them are unpresidential (such as calling out Fox news or what he said about the cops), but digusting? Really? Arnold Schwarzenegger's conduct or John Edward's conduct could be labeled digusting, but calling the things you listed digusting is as melodramatic as it gets.

As far as the "opened her eyes" comment, for all you know, that could have really happened. You're just reading what yo want into it.

What irresponsible statements did he make regarding Wisconsin?

His demands on Israel is just a case of you disagreeing. There's nothing unpresidential about it.

I never said he condoned their behavior. I simply said that I think that their behavior is more of a reasonable idea of what's disgusting.

It actually boggles my mind that you can read my post and some how come to the conclusion that I said that he condones their behavior. I mean, were you really putting any effort into reading that post at all?

I didn't vote for either Obama or Mr Pain. Neither person is fit for the job. They need someone who is a genius to run this country.

whitetiger3521

Geniuses are rarely good looking or charismatic enough to be presidents.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] What logical fallacies? He said he researched a candidate and didn't believe in him?:?LJS9502_basic

Considering a country dumb based on an election seems to be rather fallicious since the electorate is a) not all of America and b) is pretty evenly split in terms of the popular vote.

Other than that, I don't see any other fallacies, just alot of smugness.

Generalizations are quite often fallicious.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Are you serious with these? I mean, you could make a case that a few of them are unpresidential (such as calling out Fox news or what he said about the cops), but digusting? Really? Arnold Schwarzenegger's conduct or John Edward's conduct could be labeled digusting, but calling the things you listed digusting is as melodramatic as it gets.

As far as the "opened her eyes" comment, for all you know, that could have really happened. You're just reading what yo want into it.

What irresponsible statements did he make regarding Wisconsin?

His demands on Israel is just a case of you disagreeing. There's nothing unpresidential about it.

GreySeal9

I never said he condoned their behavior. I simply said that I think that their behavior is more of a reasonable idea of what's disgusting.

It actually boggles my mind that you can read my post and some how come to the conclusion that I said that he condones their behavior. I mean, were you really putting any effort into reading that post at all?

[QUOTE="whitetiger3521"]

I didn't vote for either Obama or Mr Pain. Neither person is fit for the job. They need someone who is a genius to run this country.

Ilovegames1992

Geniuses are rarely good looking or charismatic enough to be presidents.

I doubt many genuises really want to be President anyway.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Considering a country dumb based on an election seems to be rather fallicious since the electorate is a) not all of America and b) is pretty evenly split in terms of the popular vote.

Other than that, I don't see any other fallacies, just alot of smugness.

GreySeal9

Generalizations are quite often fallicious.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"]

Hell no. I didn't vote for him the first time. Unlike most Americans, I don't like being spoonfeed my info and actually reasearched the candidates instead of just listening to the words they spewed during their run. I knew Obama winning was a mistake before he won. Why? Because I researched his background and realized just how cooked he really was. If he wins a second time, I will officially consider the United States to be the dumbest country in the world.

All-Madden09

Every person has their flaws, but I think he would have done a better job than trying to shove his opinions down our throat.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Considering he was only giving his opinion on one person here...I'm not sure what mentioning other individuals behavior has on his opinion at all...or that you can jump to the conclusion that he condone's their behavior TBH.

LJS9502_basic

I never said he condoned their behavior. I simply said that I think that their behavior is more of a reasonable idea of what's disgusting.

It actually boggles my mind that you can read my post and some how come to the conclusion that I said that he condones their behavior. I mean, were you really putting any effort into reading that post at all?

In your opinion. In my opinion (which matters more to me than yours) there was plenty reason to bring them up and thus I did.

I think my examples offered a sense of perspective. Relative to those actions, I don't think that his examples qualify as digusting behavior. I think he is being hyperbolic and melodramatic and it is perfectly reasonable to constrast his examples against others to make my point.

I'm still just amazed that you managed to turn my post into "he condones their behavior". How do you even go about doing that?

Didn't vote for him the first time, and I definitely won't this time around.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]More of a generalization actually...LJS9502_basic

Generalizations are quite often fallicious.

Jesus Christ. I did not say they were synonyms. Why are you unable to read posts correctly?

I said that generalizations can be fallacies.

A fallacy is simply an error in reasoning, an umbrella which many generalizations fall under.

It would seem to be to be quite an error in reasoning to judge America's intelligence based on a single election in which the electorate is relatively divided, especially when the electorate is only a portion of Americans.

In your opinion. In my opinion (which matters more to me than yours) there was plenty reason to bring them up and thus I did.

I think my examples offered a sense of perspective. Relative to those actions, I don't think that his examples qualify as digusting behavior. I think he is being hyperbolic and melodramatic and it is perfectly reasonable to constrast his examples against others to make my point.

I'm still just amazed that you managed to turn my post into "he condones their behavior". How do you even go about doing that?

GreySeal9

Depends on the other candidate

Bachmanns hatred towards homosexuality would make me never vote for her first

newt ?well he aint getting my vote...

palin? do I really have to explain why she would not get mine

Herman Cain is the only real candidate out there but he has less experience then obama which scares me...

the current GOP possibles are awful aside from one or two... I aint a fan of Obamas but if its the garbage we have now for choices Obama 2012...

[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

Obama hasn't given me a reason to vote for him, more than just his job performance, I find his personal conduct disgusting and very unpresidential.

GreySeal9

Examples?

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

In your opinion. In my opinion (which matters more to me than yours) there was plenty reason to bring them up and thus I did.

I think my examples offered a sense of perspective. Relative to those actions, I don't think that his examples qualify as digusting behavior. I think he is being hyperbolic and melodramatic and it is perfectly reasonable to constrast his examples against others to make my point.

I'm still just amazed that you managed to turn my post into "he condones their behavior". How do you even go about doing that?

LJS9502_basic

Isn't that what I just said? I don't think those actions he listed are digusting, so I use actions that I do think are digusting to constrast them against.

I realize that opinions of what's digusting differ, but that does not mean I can't argue against his notion of "digusting" and use examples to show why I don't think that notion is correct.

I mean, I don't even understand what the **** we're arguing about half of the time.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

Obama hasn't given me a reason to vote for him, more than just his job performance, I find his personal conduct disgusting and very unpresidential.

fueled-system

Examples?

He all ready used that example and I think it's a highly melodramatic example. It could be construed as unpresidential or unwarranted comment, but disgusting? Come on.