2024 OT Election Day Thread: Donald Trump elected POTUS, GOP wins Senate and House of Representatives

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#1651  Edited By Maroxad
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@Planeforger said:

So...with Trump immediately pulling the US out of the World Health Organisation and the Paris Climate Agreement, and appearing to be isolationist in all of his policies, it feels like the US has decided to give up its primary position in world politics.

I wonder who will take over the US' role as the default world leader?

@Stevo_the_gamer said:

Fascinating that the former president issued preemptive blanket pardons last minute for any wrongdoing for his political allies... Setting an interesting precedent for future administrations. Ooof.

I wouldn't worry about Trump pardoning himself or his family. Your justice is far too broken to ever prosecute them, and they're too rich to face any penalties.

Given that Trump will isolate the US from the world. I wonder what damage this will cause to the US dollar.

And because the US dollar is the international standard. This will pose really poorly for the US economy. Which can get away with a lot of the things it does just because the US dollar is the international standard.

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#1652  Edited By Nirgal
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@rzing: maybe it's too distract from the cripto currency pump and dump they are doing.

I am personally much more worried that the president is completely for sale and there is absolutely no way to trace who is giving him money through cripto.

Putin and xi jinping could be using this to transfer money to him for all we know (I don't mean themseld directly, but through another person)

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@lykosia said:
@Stevo_the_gamer said:

Fascinating that the former president issued preemptive blanket pardons last minute for any wrongdoing for his political allies... Setting an interesting precedent for future administrations. Ooof.

Trump pardons over 1000 Jan 6 rioters

But that's the Right for you. Pardons for us, but not for thee. Oh, btw, these people also attacked police officers, but I guess you're okay with that.

Why would you guess that? I don't agree with any pardons or commutations actually.

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Whoops, that last one was (partly) incorrect. Information fatigue, man.

Fingers crossed nothing crazy happens overnight.

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@lundy86_4 said:

ADL has even stated it wasn't a Nazi salute, but it was weird.

Lmao!!

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@lykosia said:
@Stevo_the_gamer said:

Fascinating that the former president issued preemptive blanket pardons last minute for any wrongdoing for his political allies... Setting an interesting precedent for future administrations. Ooof.

Trump pardons over 1000 Jan 6 rioters

But that's the Right for you. Pardons for us, but not for thee. Oh, btw, these people also attacked police officers, but I guess you're okay with that.

Political prisoners

Promises made, promises kept

Good job Trump!!!

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#1658 comp_atkins  Online
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lol trump releases 1000 violent criminals back onto the streets.

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@comp_atkins said:

lol trump releases 1000 violent criminals back onto the streets.

Oh, how many were still in custody at the time of the pardon?

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@comp_atkins said:

lol trump releases 1000 violent criminals back onto the streets.

And MAGA cheers. Pathetic.

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#1661  Edited By Solaryellow
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@MirkoS77 said:

No, I asked about riots this day, respective to our previous conversation around the 6th in which you said, ‘we’ll see on the 20th’ (or something along those lines). I’ve never acted like the Left has not ever rioted, but I do contend that they have not rioted today. It didn’t happen, did it?

I have accepted it. I accepted it in 2016, I accept it this time. But I will not be preached to about accepting a loss by a Trump supporter, thanks.

You asked if the left-wing nuts rioted as if there wasn't a precedence (which you freely admitted not knowing) along with the market of such actions being cornered by the right. Wrong on both accounts. They did it when he was elected the first time and when he was inaugurated as President. I have the full faith that eventually it will happen again.

You guys gaslighted America for years and it ended up biting you.

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#1662 Maroxad
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So Trump...

  • leaves the World Health Organization and The Paris Climate Agreement
  • Adds taxes to imported fruits and vegetables
  • Increases prescription drug prices
  • Denies access to potentially life saving medical information
  • Renews oil drilling leases in Alaska

Does anyone still believe in MAHA? Because all of these things will make the US less healthy.

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@sargentd said:
@lykosia said:
@Stevo_the_gamer said:

Fascinating that the former president issued preemptive blanket pardons last minute for any wrongdoing for his political allies... Setting an interesting precedent for future administrations. Ooof.

Trump pardons over 1000 Jan 6 rioters

But that's the Right for you. Pardons for us, but not for thee. Oh, btw, these people also attacked police officers, but I guess you're okay with that.

Political prisoners

Promises made, promises kept

Good job Trump!!!

4 years of claiming that it was FBI Antifa plants, now this shit. Nice.

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#1664  Edited By uninspiredcup
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During the inauguration Tulsi Gabbard was sitting next to a very happy looking CEO of TikTok.

Tulsi Gabbard has generally been considered a security risk prior to this, promoting dictators, including Putin, and now she's Director of National Intelligence.

Just... amazing.

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#1665  Edited By SargentD
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@rmpumper said:
@sargentd said:
@lykosia said:
@Stevo_the_gamer said:

Fascinating that the former president issued preemptive blanket pardons last minute for any wrongdoing for his political allies... Setting an interesting precedent for future administrations. Ooof.

Trump pardons over 1000 Jan 6 rioters

But that's the Right for you. Pardons for us, but not for thee. Oh, btw, these people also attacked police officers, but I guess you're okay with that.

Political prisoners

Promises made, promises kept

Good job Trump!!!

4 years of claiming that it was FBI Antifa plants, now this shit. Nice.

26 fbi informants were planted at Jan 6th

Link

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@sargentd said:

26 fbi informants were planted at Jan 6th

Link

How many of the people crying about these pardons showed the same emotion and rage about Leonard Peltier along with other murderers whose sentences were commuted by Mr. Biden? Hopefully every single person opining did the same as they are now.

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@Solaryellow said:
@sargentd said:

26 fbi informants were planted at Jan 6th

Link

How many of the people crying about these pardons showed the same emotion and rage about Leonard Peltier along with other murderers whose sentences were commuted by Mr. Biden? Hopefully every single person opining did the same as they are now.

It's mostly a bunch of tds, they don't actually give a shit lol

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#1668  Edited By Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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One of my HSI comrades is bringing a bunch of these back. Will be a fine addition in my work office!

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@sargentd said:
@Solaryellow said:
@sargentd said:

26 fbi informants were planted at Jan 6th

Link

How many of the people crying about these pardons showed the same emotion and rage about Leonard Peltier along with other murderers whose sentences were commuted by Mr. Biden? Hopefully every single person opining did the same as they are now.

It's mostly a bunch of tds, they don't actually give a shit lol

I guess trump is also suffering from this tds, because he admitted that elmo helped him rig the voting machines. Or did that not happen in your alternative fact universe?

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@rmpumper said:
@sargentd said:
@Solaryellow said:
@sargentd said:

26 fbi informants were planted at Jan 6th

Link

How many of the people crying about these pardons showed the same emotion and rage about Leonard Peltier along with other murderers whose sentences were commuted by Mr. Biden? Hopefully every single person opining did the same as they are now.

It's mostly a bunch of tds, they don't actually give a shit lol

I guess trump is also suffering from this tds, because he admitted that elmo helped him rig the voting machines. Or did that not happen in your alternative fact universe?

Elmo??

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@sargentd said:
@rmpumper said:
@sargentd said:

It's mostly a bunch of tds, they don't actually give a shit lol

I guess trump is also suffering from this tds, because he admitted that elmo helped him rig the voting machines. Or did that not happen in your alternative fact universe?

Elmo??

He means Leon.

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@nirgal said:

@rzing: maybe it's too distract from the cripto currency pump and dump they are doing.

I am personally much more worried that the president is completely for sale and there is absolutely no way to trace who is giving him money through cripto.

Putin and xi jinping could be using this to transfer money to him for all we know (I don't mean themseld directly, but through another person)

We knew Trump was for sale when he became submissive to Musk.

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@Stevo_the_gamer said:

One of my HSI comrades is bringing a bunch of these back. Will be a fine addition in my work office!

You said comrade. Uh oh!

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@Solaryellow said:
@MirkoS77 said:

No, I asked about riots this day, respective to our previous conversation around the 6th in which you said, ‘we’ll see on the 20th’ (or something along those lines). I’ve never acted like the Left has not ever rioted, but I do contend that they have not rioted today. It didn’t happen, did it?

I have accepted it. I accepted it in 2016, I accept it this time. But I will not be preached to about accepting a loss by a Trump supporter, thanks.

You asked if the left-wing nuts rioted as if there wasn't a precedence (which you freely admitted not knowing) along with the market of such actions being cornered by the right. Wrong on both accounts. They did it when he was elected the first time and when he was inaugurated as President. I have the full faith that eventually it will happen again.

You guys gaslighted America for years and it ended up biting you.

Despite your attempts to draw equivalence, you are a long way from accusing the other side of what you, and others in your support of Trump have enabled:

-an attack on our Capitol and democratic process

-the lack of any accountability to the one who fomented it

-now, the lack of any accountability to those who enacted it, and the release, free and clear, of those who've beaten police officers, left them traumatized, some of whom have committed suicide.

-enabled and supported the legitimization of political violence, by the president himself, en masse. That is a distinction you cannot match.

.....and we have Sarge cheering the pardoning of those who beat police officers on. Real good, guys. So keep attempting to draw equivalences and holding out hope that, hey, maybe in the future the other side will do something that even begins to approach what you have stood in advocation of. That you even have to hold out for what may happen is very telling.

Trump's pardon is one of the most disgraceful days this nation has ever seen, right alongside Jan 6th. Keep clinging onto one-offs in the feeble and pathetic attempt to draw parallel.....sorry Solar, it doesn't exist.

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Good news, the Ukraine war has ended.

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#1676  Edited By Solaryellow
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@MirkoS77

Up above I mentioned how none of you seemed to care when our ex-president was commuting sentences for MURDERERS. Now though, this is an issue even though Trump said he would do this while he was campaigning. The false equivalency is exhibited by your rage over these pardons yet dead silence on other pardons and commutations. Are we forgetting a great deal of the J6 people went to prison?

The only outrage you are showing is 100% selective and predictable. Sarge is right when he mentions TDS.

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@uninspiredcup said:

Good news, the Ukraine war has ended.

Eggs are practically free!

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@Maroxad said:

  • Increases prescription drug prices

How are people not making a bigger deal about this one?

On the one hand, Trump issues a bare-bones order to lower the cost of living - with literally no details - and on the other hand he's lifting caps on the price of medicine.

That's going to hurt the MAGA crowd as much as it hurts anyone else in the US. The only people who benefit are Trump's wealthy friends.

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@Solaryellow said:

@MirkoS77

Up above I mentioned how none of you seemed to care when our ex-president was commuting sentences for MURDERERS. Now though, this is an issue even though Trump said he would do this while he was campaigning. The false equivalency is exhibited by your rage over these pardons yet dead silence on other pardons and commutations. Are we forgetting a great deal of the J6 people went to prison?

The only outrage you are showing is 100% selective and predictable. Sarge is right when he mentions TDS.

No, I'm not selective in my outrage of pardons, I'm only capable of recognizing a distinction that you are not.

There is a difference in a president pardoning individual crimes that they had nothing to do with (for whatever reasoning they see fit), and crimes committed against our country that the president pardoning was wholly responsible for creating. You are the one attempting to push a very clear false equivalence here to mitigate the abhorrence of such an actions, when the pardons between Biden and Trump are not even remotely on the same level.

I would never support any presidential pardon (or candidate for that matter) that absolves the people that were committing crimes on his behalf. You and Sarge do support that, as does every Trump voter now holding responsibility for it.

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#1680  Edited By MirkoS77
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I'm amazed that people are trying to draw equivalences to other pardons to excuse Trump here.

Trump has pardoned crimes committed against our country. I mean Christ, argue what you will about the morality of pardons for each president, they're all corrupt as ****, but at least it can be said that it was always to the individual, not the state. Not the institutions of our government. Not to the processes of our democracy. Sure Trump's letting off individuals, but symbolically, this is a massive, explicit middle finger to America that the likes of pardoning a murderer could never come close to accomplishing.

I'll not argue that pardons stand up for and exemplify the rule of law, but until Trump, at least they didn't denigrate and hold in contempt the country itself. This is disgraceful beyond belief.

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@Solaryellow said:

You said comrade. Uh oh!

Don't worry, the rounding up folks won't happen immediately! *the red menace!*

Unsurprisingly, California state law forbids local law enforcement (and my department policy also) from enforcing immigration laws. I consider it more of a... gray area when it comes to local law enforcement officers whom are also dually sworn as federal law enforcement officers (referred to as task force officers) under Homeland Security Investigations who technically could enforce title 19. It's definitely on my bucket list: deport a sex offender.

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@Stevo_the_gamer: Hey, why you locked my thread, you pro-Trumper scum ? Don't you think you are being politically biased here, censoring other people threads. The trade war between USA and Canada is no joke, and it's not related to the Trump inauguration and warranties a separate discussion. As a moderator, you should stay neutral and not make your political allegiance so evident.

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@ivangrozny: hang on, he's a mod? Hahahahahahaha

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@uninspiredcup said:

Good news, the Ukraine war has ended.

Eggs are practically free!

gas is $0.50 / gallon

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#1685  Edited By Planeforger
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Okay, this analysis is pretty funny - Did Trump's executive order just make everyone in the U.S. female?

I did enjoy the comment that Trump is officially the first female president of the United States.

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#1686  Edited By Maroxad
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@Planeforger said:
@Maroxad said:
  • Increases prescription drug prices

How are people not making a bigger deal about this one?

On the one hand, Trump issues a bare-bones order to lower the cost of living - with literally no details - and on the other hand he's lifting caps on the price of medicine.

That's going to hurt the MAGA crowd as much as it hurts anyone else in the US. The only people who benefit are Trump's wealthy friends.

Yup, this is going to be a rough 4 years for the US. I think the most notable one is the tariffs on imported fruits and vegetables though. For all that talk about fixing the food system, and he is ALREADY making the it *worse*. Obviously, his goal was never to make the food system better, but to find yet another way to enrich his billionarie buddies. MAHA was always a scam, anyone scientifically illiterate could have seen how valid areas of medicine were downplayed while medical grifts were being promoted.

And yes... based on the wording of the bill you mentioned. Everyone in the US is now female. Which shows just how biologically illiterate the Trump administration is. I follow the scientific and medical communities on Social Media and they are all laughing at just how stupid and incompetent the Trump administration is.

Maybe replacing qualified experts with partisan loyalists wasnt a good idea.

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#1687  Edited By Nirgal
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@Planeforger: I think whoever wrote this might have been thinking of genetical sex, and not morphological sex.

Perhaps they don't understand the difference.

Regardless, even if you are against sex change and are referring specifically to genetical sex, what happens to all people that through no fault or desition of their own happen to be born intersex ?

This looks like no medical professional was ever consulted.

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#1688  Edited By uninspiredcup
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@ivangrozny said:

@Stevo_the_gamer: Hey, why you locked my thread, you pro-Trumper scum ? Don't you think you are being politically biased here, censoring other people threads. The trade war between USA and Canada is no joke, and it's not related to the Trump inauguration and warranties a separate discussion. As a moderator, you should stay neutral and not make your political allegiance so evident.

Political forum was closed down due to 1 person being upset, not mods, staff.

Technically all politics isn't allowed because it might upset someone far-left, so lucky we even have this and the Ukraine war thread.

It's stupid, but it is what it is.

Nothing to do with Stevo's fault. Just following what the higher ups ordained.

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@ivangrozny said:

@Stevo_the_gamer: Hey, why you locked my thread, you pro-Trumper scum ? Don't you think you are being politically biased here, censoring other people threads. The trade war between USA and Canada is no joke, and it's not related to the Trump inauguration and warranties a separate discussion. As a moderator, you should stay neutral and not make your political allegiance so evident.

He did say we could discuss your topic here. I'm interested.

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@nirgal said:

@Planeforger: I think whoever wrote this might have been thinking of genetical sex, and not morphological sex.

Perhaps they don't understand the difference.

Regardless, even if you are against sex change and are referring specifically to genetical sex, what happens to all people that through no fault or desition of their own happen to be born intersex ?

This looks like no medical professional was ever consulted.

Wasnt the whole premise behind Schedule F to replace qualified experts with loyalists?

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#1691  Edited By uninspiredcup
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This is one of those cases where Trump being full of bullshit and all about ego might work in Ukriane' favor.

Given how much Russia has herded MAGA along with troll farms, right-wing influencers working directly with them (wow shopping!), fake news designed to influence thought, this would be delicious.

Ultimately I don't like Trump, or MAGA, I think they are all trash, but if it results in a better outcome, whatever, go with it.

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#1692  Edited By Maroxad
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I am not christian. But this seems roughly in line with Jesus's teachings. I don't get why Trump is so upset about this.

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Donald Trump's inauguration had a viewship of 24.6 million.
For contrast: Joe Biden had 33.8 million

Donald Trump may also be the first president to actually enter the white house with a net negative favorability rating of 1.6% unfavorable.

Given his lack of popular support. He may have a very limited honeymoon, preventing him from being able to do much. Given his very obvious cognitive decline. This may be another 4 years of a do-nothing president. Which... considering how awful his agenda is, may be a good thing.

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@Maroxad: To reiterate the stated plan from the administration, it's to do as much as they can through EO and stress the checks and balances. They got an early start yesterday by erasing a constitutional amendment via EO.

The initial check on that is the Supreme Court, which we will have to see how pliable they end up being.

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#1697 uninspiredcup
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He litterally can't type a post without making it about him.

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#1698 LJS9502_basic
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@uninspiredcup: He's a textbook example of a narcissist.