2024 OT Election Day Thread: Donald Trump elected POTUS, GOP wins Senate and House of Representatives

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#3001 TheFormless
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I wonder if the orange traitor will find a way to give Syria back to Putin too.

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#3002  Edited By Sancho_Panzer
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@uninspiredcup:

Lol. Looks like the reason we couldn't see the community note Musk was responding to in your screencap was because this was supposed to be very convincing evidence that community notes really were borked, and he definitely hadn't been gaming the system.

Lucky you caught it!

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@br0kenrabbit said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

Steveo promised he catches ban dodgers. Hmmm.....

I know for a fact that's a lie. lolol

😂

I know an habitual System Wars ban dodger, his OG was Wok7. I have him friended on Steam.

Does this mean he doesn't make detective?😮

Desk duty. 🦹‍♂️

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#3004 uninspiredcup
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@sancho_panzer: I think it's specifically him that's been feeding Trump the Zelenskyy stuff.

That post was pretty vile. He's really, really mad, and I think it is because the intent of demonizing him has had the opposite effect and he can't control the narrative, hangs around Twitter with Yes men signal boosting himself all day.

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#3005 Sancho_Panzer
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@uninspiredcup: I hope you're right about the effect, that it's another 51st state job.

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@Planeforger said:

There's a great video floating around today where Hannity is interviewing Trump and Musk, and there's a hilarious few minutes where Trump is trying to talk or answer questions, and Musk and Hannity just talk straight over him until he shuts up.

I don't think I've ever seen a US president with such little presence. He comes across as the least important person in the room.

Trump is a person of importance not to his own merit, but only by the esteem of the gullible who have been foolish and duped enough to buy into what he’s sold them.

The hilarious thing is, he’s far too narcissistic to even understand that he’s being manipulated and used by the powerful. Musk is playing him like a puppet, as is Putin.

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#3007 Sancho_Panzer
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@MirkoS77 said:
@Planeforger said:

There's a great video floating around today where Hannity is interviewing Trump and Musk, and there's a hilarious few minutes where Trump is trying to talk or answer questions, and Musk and Hannity just talk straight over him until he shuts up.

I don't think I've ever seen a US president with such little presence. He comes across as the least important person in the room.

Trump is a person of importance not to his own merit, but only by the esteem of the gullible who have been foolish and duped enough to buy into what he’s sold them.

The hilarious thing is, he’s far too narcissistic to even understand that he’s being manipulated and used by the powerful. Musk is playing him like a puppet, as is Putin.

What is this, a who's the bigger dummy contest?

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#3008  Edited By Pedro
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The President of the USA.🤭

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#3009 MirkoS77
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@Pedro said:
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The President of the USA.🤭

I especially enjoy Hannity saying to Trump,

“He’s working for free for you…”

Yup, completely free. 😂

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#3010  Edited By DEVILinIRON
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Looks like BigBalls might have gotten banned. He didn't seem very concerned about hiding his identity.

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#3011 LJS9502_basic
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@DEVILinIRON said:

Looks like BigBalls might have gotten banned. He didn't seem very concerned about hiding his identity.

The fact that he picked that name was a red flag.

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#3012 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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@Planeforger said:
@Stevo_the_gamer said:

I was providing additional context which appeared to have been overlooked, in part likely due to confirmation bias and putting the cart before the horse. The implication being the firings being nefarious (swampyyy) because of the Neuralink connection. The two are not connected per your very own source.

Yes, the firing of probationary employees will surely enrich the worst parts of big ol' swamp. Lmao

Does that really matter? Musk can fire people who are involved in reviewing the safety standards of his products.

Whether it's a blanket firing as part of his general attempts to decimate the federal government, or a nefarious targeted act to protect his business, that's still something he shouldn't be allowed to do. There's a strong perception of bias there.

In the interests of good governance, Musk should recuse himself from any decision-making that could affect his personal business interests, or he should sell his interests in his companies. Anything less than that risks it just being, well, Trump's old bogeyman The Swamp.

Of course it matters, as that would solidify the nefarious accusations and give credibility to the doomsayers/drum beating of the end of the constitution (lol). There is a presumption of bias based on the lens of the holder; yet without said credible evidence, or even reasonable suspicion of wrong-doing, then it holds as much depth as a puddle or old man yelling at clouds.

I am enjoying the political tidbits being exposed here and there with the insanely silly (and hilarious) ways millions (and billions) have been spent on a variety of programs. The public nature of this is a stroke of political genius, as it forces Democrats into quite the precarious position. The quips about giving American taxpayers a kickback for the savings from government waste is quite a hilarious populist move as well.

All in all, it's been fascinating to play out. I am definitely enjoying making the DOGE jokes to my colleagues in the FBI... seeing how incompetent and inefficient that agency works is a treasure in of itself.

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#3013 uninspiredcup
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@DEVILinIRON said:

Looks like BigBalls might have gotten banned. He didn't seem very concerned about hiding his identity.

Shame, outside of his horrific takes in politics Sarge was alright.

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#3014 Planeforger
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@Stevo_the_gamer said:
@Planeforger said:
@Stevo_the_gamer said:

I was providing additional context which appeared to have been overlooked, in part likely due to confirmation bias and putting the cart before the horse. The implication being the firings being nefarious (swampyyy) because of the Neuralink connection. The two are not connected per your very own source.

Yes, the firing of probationary employees will surely enrich the worst parts of big ol' swamp. Lmao

Does that really matter? Musk can fire people who are involved in reviewing the safety standards of his products.

Whether it's a blanket firing as part of his general attempts to decimate the federal government, or a nefarious targeted act to protect his business, that's still something he shouldn't be allowed to do. There's a strong perception of bias there.

In the interests of good governance, Musk should recuse himself from any decision-making that could affect his personal business interests, or he should sell his interests in his companies. Anything less than that risks it just being, well, Trump's old bogeyman The Swamp.

Of course it matters, as that would solidify the nefarious accusations and give credibility to the doomsayers/drum beating of the end of the constitution (lol). There is a presumption of bias based on the lens of the holder; yet without said credible evidence, or even reasonable suspicion of wrong-doing, then it holds as much depth as a puddle or old man yelling at clouds.

I am enjoying the political tidbits being exposed here and there with the insanely silly (and hilarious) ways millions (and billions) have been spent on a variety of programs. The public nature of this is a stroke of political genius, as it forces Democrats into quite the precarious position. The quips about giving American taxpayers a kickback for the savings from government waste is quite a hilarious populist move as well.

All in all, it's been fascinating to play out. I am definitely enjoying making the DOGE jokes to my colleagues in the FBI... seeing how incompetent and inefficient that agency works is a treasure in of itself.

I'm not talking about actual bias. I'm talking about a perception of bias.

The average person could reasonably conclude that Musk couldn't be impartial in his decision making about where government funding should go. His companies are a major recipient of government funding. His companies are kept in check or frequently investigated by government agencies. He stands to gain significant sums of money for himself and his businesses depending on the decisions made by his Department. I think that's more than enough to say a presumption of bias exists, as you put it.

That means that, in a fair system, any decision by DOGE that benefits him or his companies should rightly be challenged. If Musk can't demonstrate that his decisions were wholly impartial in nature - if he cant overcome that presumption of bias - then frankly the decision should be reversed.

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#3015  Edited By rmpumper
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elmo is pretty much a general in the orc army, responsible for anti-Ukrainian propaganda. Ukrainian military should treat him like one as well, maybe send him an EV scooter, if you get my meaning.

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#3016  Edited By Sushiglutton
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I let Elon's new AI Grok 3 research the aid from US vs Europe to Ukraine. It did a pretty good job writing me a short report. This is just a short part of it.

Key Points

    • Europe has provided more total aid to Ukraine, around $185–200 billion, compared to the US's $110–120 billion.
    • The US has given more military aid, about $67 billion, compared to Europe's $60 billion.
  • It's surprising that Europe, not the US, leads in total support, given the US's focus on military aid.

Conclusion

In conclusion, Europe has provided more total support to Ukraine, with commitments of $185–200 billion, compared to the US's $110–120 billion, driven by long-term financial and humanitarian aid. However, the US has provided more military aid, at $67 billion vs. Europe's $60 billion, reflecting its focus on immediate defense needs. This dual support structure is critical for Ukraine's resilience against Russian aggression, with each region playing a complementary role.

Key Citations

    • Ukraine Support Tracker Data and Analysis

    • EU Assistance to Ukraine in U.S. Dollars

    • U.S. Security Cooperation with Ukraine Reports

    • U.S. GAO Blog on Assistance to Ukraine Oversight

Well, there it is. At least the AI has not yet bet tuned to Trump's alternative facts.

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#3017 uninspiredcup
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I think by the end of this he have completely destroyed America with Doge and other bullshit that ultimately he will reviled for generations to come Setting himself up for that.

Zelenskyy will be the opposite. Even if he's killed and totally fails. Which just makes all the attempts to demonize him, be it him, Trump, his goons or maga all the more ironic.

History will look at them for exactly what they are.

Also, they seem afraid of Zelenskyy speaking now, must be those moderately succefull comedian skills.

Volodymyr Zelenskyy says he told Donald Trump's Ukraine envoy his country needs a "reliable and clear system of security guarantees" before a peace deal can be struck with Russia.

Ukraine's president met with retired US Lieutenant General Keith Kellogg in Kyiv on Thursday as political tensions deepened between the two countries.

The event was originally supposed to include comments to the media by both parties, but it was changed at the last minute to a simple photo opportunity as neither side delivered statements or questions from the media.

The change was requested by the US side, Ukrainian presidential spokesman Serhii Nikiforov said.

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#3018 uninspiredcup
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Britons tend to say it is more important to support Ukraine than to maintain good relations with the US More important to support Ukraine: 48% More important to maintain good relations with the US: 20% Neither: 14%

America gone heel.

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#3019  Edited By Maroxad
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@Stevo_the_gamer said:

Of course it matters, as that would solidify the nefarious accusations and give credibility to the doomsayers/drum beating of the end of the constitution (lol). There is a presumption of bias based on the lens of the holder; yet without said credible evidence, or even reasonable suspicion of wrong-doing, then it holds as much depth as a puddle or old man yelling at clouds.

I am enjoying the political tidbits being exposed here and there with the insanely silly (and hilarious) ways millions (and billions) have been spent on a variety of programs. The public nature of this is a stroke of political genius, as it forces Democrats into quite the precarious position. The quips about giving American taxpayers a kickback for the savings from government waste is quite a hilarious populist move as well.

All in all, it's been fascinating to play out. I am definitely enjoying making the DOGE jokes to my colleagues in the FBI... seeing how incompetent and inefficient that agency works is a treasure in of itself.

Just to clarify my position. In case you still don't see where my position is.

I don't think the people at DOGE are being intentionally nefarious, and nowhere did I state as much. But they are completely incompetent and Elon Musk with his buddies across several other special interest groups knew exactly what they were doing when they concieved DOGE. This is also the reason why later on, I also explicitly said they made mistakes (which could have serious consequences) rather than maliciously alter data.

Big pharma and other special interest groups love getting around regulations. And DOGE has been a godsend for this. Hiring a bunch of people in the early 20 somethings, many of them without any legal or political education, overwork them and the gross incompetency is the inevitable result.

Drain the Swamp rhetoric has ALWAYS referred to special interest groups and lobbyists. When people say "drain the swamp" they are usually not talking about the deep state or whatever (which I know some people like to assert).

Edit: This has also been the position held around people in the medical community. Why do you think I mentioned big pharma, even though Elon Musk is in the tech industry? Had I said what you thought I said, then yes, it would be silly. Fortunately I didnt say that.

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#3020  Edited By uninspiredcup
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Every-time you think it can't get any worse, it gets worse.

BREAKING: Russia and the U.S. secretly met in Switzerland without Zelenskyy, while the Oval Office is already discussing a change of power in Ukraine In recent months, Russia and the U.S. have held unofficial talks in Switzerland, with one such meeting taking place last week in Geneva during the Munich Security Conference, Reuters reports, citing sources

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@Sushiglutton: Yeah, that also more or less matches what I did in individual research.

Still, even though it is far from terrible. I would still recommend people to just, research themselves. At best treat AI as a starting point and NOT an end point.

On Social Media, I see laypersons usually try to argue against experts citing AI. Sometimes the AI get things wrong, sometimes they even misinterpret what the AI is saying.

I have seen AI get featured on Bad Medical Takes a few times. Throwing the most dangerous medical advice.

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#3022 uninspiredcup
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Trump lying again.

https://x.com/ReallyAmerican1/status/1892622664486768873

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#3024  Edited By Maroxad
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So this is concerning...

@WitIsWisdom For Zelensky it certainly is. Also probably for Ukraine as a whole. I fear to imagine what Russians would do to interfere with an election like this. There is very much a risk they would deliberately intend to intimidate areas that are pro-zelensky from voting.

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Maddow's piece on his polls.

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#3026 LJS9502_basic
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@Maroxad: Yes, that is concerning. Also concerning is the DOJ sending letters to people telling them they'll be prosecuted for criticism of Musk. Trump, maga, is not the president in anything but name only.

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@Stevo_the_gamer said:

I am enjoying the political tidbits being exposed here and there with the insanely silly (and hilarious) ways millions (and billions) have been spent on a variety of programs. The public nature of this is a stroke of political genius, as it forces Democrats into quite the precarious position. The quips about giving American taxpayers a kickback for the savings from government waste is quite a hilarious populist move as well.

All in all, it's been fascinating to play out. I am definitely enjoying making the DOGE jokes to my colleagues in the FBI... seeing how incompetent and inefficient that agency works is a treasure in of itself.

Not one person, with an ounce of responsibility, should be against wasteful and nonsensical spending. Then again, we aren't in major debt, right?

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#3028  Edited By Maroxad
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@Solaryellow said:

Not one person, with an ounce of responsibility, should be against wasteful and nonsensical spending. Then again, we aren't in major debt, right?

  • Pennies are wasteful spending. Kudos to Trump and DOGE on this.
  • SpaceX subsidies are wasteful spending.
  • F-35 same thing.
  • Car Infrastructure is wasteful spending.
  • Animal Agriculture subsidies is wasteful spending.

You know what ISNT wasteful spending? Making sure medical stuff are safe and effective.

Cutting Government spending isnt a bad idea per say. But DOGE are absolutely clueless, and cuts have in large part been in the interest of billionaires and special interest groups.

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Since they now look terrible and Zelenskyy popularity has went through the roof, they have now resorted to sad interviews where they just wants gratefulness completely lying through their teeth in a shit attempt to be viewed less like the absolute dregs of humanity they are.

https://x.com/AutismCapital/status/1892806427808522684

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#3030 LJS9502_basic
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@Maroxad said:
@Solaryellow said:

Not one person, with an ounce of responsibility, should be against wasteful and nonsensical spending. Then again, we aren't in major debt, right?

  • Pennies are wasteful spending. Kudos to Trump and DOGE on this.
  • SpaceX subsidies are wasteful spending.
  • F-35 same thing.
  • Car Infrastructure is wasteful spending.
  • Animal Agriculture subsidies is wasteful spending.

You know what ISNT wasteful spending? Making sure medical stuff are safe and effective.

Cutting Government spending isnt a bad idea per say. But DOGE are absolutely clueless, and cuts have in large part been in the interest of billionaires and special interest groups.

Putting Musk, who gets a lot of government subsidizes in charge is like having the wolf guard the chickens.

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#3031 uninspiredcup
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Kellogg's Cornflakes spent extensive time in Ukraine with Zel and the people, notice the different in tone.

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#3032  Edited By Sancho_Panzer
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@uninspiredcup said:

Kellogg's Cornflakes spent extensive time in Ukraine with Zel and the people, notice the different in tone.

Good signs. Less "rape", more seduction.

Let's see what comes of it. Hopefully something mutually productive.

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#3033  Edited By uninspiredcup
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@sancho_panzer said:
@uninspiredcup said:

Kellogg's Cornflakes spent extensive time in Ukraine with Zel and the people, notice the different in tone.

Good signs. Less "rape", more seduction.

Let's see what comes of it. Hopefully something mutually productive.

From what I understand he is the only person their actually Pro-Ukrainian. An insider claimed they all hated Zel before and after esp when he spoke back at Trump, wanting him gone.

https://news.online.ua/en/he-must-leave-for-france-immediately-the-us-is-trying-to-intimidate-zelensky-891014/

It's worth noting though, he has nothing at all to do with the talks. Basically a nobody in scheme of things. Put there to be on camera with him.

This clip, Trump rambles on about Zel, the interviewer repeatedly tries to highlight and interject with Putin, but he ignores it and talks over him.

https://x.com/atrupar/status/1892986863863922945

Nowhere in Trumps brain does it compute Putin is demonstrably evil and seems to be fixated on Volodymyr Zelenskyy.

Pretty clear as well he and his goobs are extremely pissed off their scam didn't work.

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#3034  Edited By Planeforger
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@Solaryellow said:
@Stevo_the_gamer said:

I am enjoying the political tidbits being exposed here and there with the insanely silly (and hilarious) ways millions (and billions) have been spent on a variety of programs. The public nature of this is a stroke of political genius, as it forces Democrats into quite the precarious position. The quips about giving American taxpayers a kickback for the savings from government waste is quite a hilarious populist move as well.

All in all, it's been fascinating to play out. I am definitely enjoying making the DOGE jokes to my colleagues in the FBI... seeing how incompetent and inefficient that agency works is a treasure in of itself.

Not one person, with an ounce of responsibility, should be against wasteful and nonsensical spending. Then again, we aren't in major debt, right?

Ultimately though, this isn't about wasteful spending.

Stevo is partly right - this is clever political theatre from Musk. He'll highlight a stupid wasteful spend here or there to keep his voter base distracted, and use that as cover while he cripples the really important stuff like consumer protection agencies or the tax office. He's complaining about tiny, mostly insignificant spends to pretend that the bigger spends are equally wasteful.

I wouldn't call it a genius move though, in the same way that I'm not a genius when I trick my toddler into going to bed.

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#3035  Edited By LJS9502_basic
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@Planeforger said:
@Solaryellow said:
@Stevo_the_gamer said:

I am enjoying the political tidbits being exposed here and there with the insanely silly (and hilarious) ways millions (and billions) have been spent on a variety of programs. The public nature of this is a stroke of political genius, as it forces Democrats into quite the precarious position. The quips about giving American taxpayers a kickback for the savings from government waste is quite a hilarious populist move as well.

All in all, it's been fascinating to play out. I am definitely enjoying making the DOGE jokes to my colleagues in the FBI... seeing how incompetent and inefficient that agency works is a treasure in of itself.

Not one person, with an ounce of responsibility, should be against wasteful and nonsensical spending. Then again, we aren't in major debt, right?

Ultimately though, this isn't about wasteful spending.

Stevo is partly right - this is clever political theatre from Musk. He'll highlight a stupid wasteful spend here or there to keep his voter base distracted, and use that as cover while he cripples the really important stuff like consumer protection agencies or the tax office. He's complaining about tiny, mostly insignificant spends to pretend that the bigger spends are equally wasteful.

I wouldn't call it a genius move though, in the same way that I'm not a genius when I trick my toddler into going to bed.

USAID which is a soft power is less than 1% of the budget and they're lying about what the money is spent on. They want to close agencies that were investigating Musk. That is NOT at all for the good of the country. Also soft power is less expensive and more beneficial than hard, ie military, power.

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#3036  Edited By RedEyedMonster8
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@Planeforger: Anyone who truly believes that all DOGE is doing is simply cutting waste is just being naive and, dare I say, foolish.

Musk and Trump are enriching themselves and their billionaire buddies, to say this is obvious would be an understatement. There is absolutely no reason to cut funding for 9/11 survivors and veterans, other than pure maliciousness.

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#3037  Edited By JohnDoh
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Getting to pick and choose what you considering wasteful spending based off of your politics and doing it illegally is an issue.

Republicans might be in a world of hurt if a Democrat POTUS uses these same powers. Most of this has never been done before or not nearly to this extent. Maybe it's the new norm now? Stop funding to Red States that restrict or ban abortion, or climate change measures.