28 years in solitary confinement - an inmate tells his story.

I don't agree with 28 years, but in a lot of other countries, he would have been beaten several times a day for killing a guard, or worse.

topsemag55

Honestly? That would probably be preferable to what he got.

[QUOTE="uberspotter"]In my country, we do not feed criminal with food buyed from citizen money...Fundai

Which country would this be?

I think we should feed them, but Make sure they work for it, not just have them languishing In prison cells.

Relax, Uber's a troll. Seen his posts in other threads.

Anyway, I don't think the 28 years in detention is even the worst part. It's how they kept him completely in the dark, denying any chance for reabilitation, not even telling him if (IF, let alone 'how' or 'when') he is ever going to taken out of solitary and put back into the prison's general population.

I don't agree with 28 years, but in a lot of other countries, he would have been beaten several times a day for killing a guard, or worse.

topsemag55

Human rights are called human rights for a reason. The legal definition of a human being begins when he is separated from the womb and is capable of being alive independently, and ends when the person dies, including brain stem death. Between those two points of life and death a prisoner is still a human being.

Imprisonment by itself is already infringement of human rights, with reasonable justifications. Further infringements leading to mistreatment of prisoners however is inhumane. Although retributive punishment has its place in the criminal justice system, if the system resorts to such detestable levels of right infringement the system itself is little better than the convicts.

I don't think that's anything to be proud of, or do you suggest that the United States of America has worse treatment towards prisoners than other developed nations?

Human rights are called human rights for a reason. The legal definition of a human being begins when he is separated from the womb and is capable of being alive independently, and ends when the person dies, including brain stem death. Between those two points of life and death a prisoner is still a human being.

Imprisonment by itself is already infringement of human rights, with reasonable justifications. Further infringements leading to mistreatment of prisoners however is inhumane. Although retributive punishment has its place in the criminal justice system, if the system resorts to such detestable levels of right infringement the system itself is little better than the convicts.

GhoX

No, I've been in other countries, and their prisons are horrific on human rights compared to the U.S.

As I said, I don't agree with 28 years, it was excessive. A year would have been punishment enough, and the light should have been turned off at night to give him some semblance of a day/night cycle.

Frankly, some of the psychological treatment he endured would be something a POW would have experienced (like McCain).

Wow, I was starting to feel kinda sick readnig that myself. Poor bastard. I am going to keep an eye out to see how this turns out.

If I was a victim of this man's crime, I would rather have him killed or living in a prison (for a long time) with other inmates. I'd rather not take away his contact with the world because that's easily worse than death. He's still in there for life, but has some minor contact. Is he hurting anyone now? Not really.

[QUOTE="GhoX"]

I don't think that's anything to be proud of, or do you suggest that the United States of America has worse treatment towards prisoners than other developed nations?

Human rights are called human rights for a reason. The legal definition of a human being begins when he is separated from the womb and is capable of being alive independently, and ends when the person dies, including brain stem death. Between those two points of life and death a prisoner is still a human being.

Imprisonment by itself is already infringement of human rights, with reasonable justifications. Further infringements leading to mistreatment of prisoners however is inhumane. Although retributive punishment has its place in the criminal justice system, if the system resorts to such detestable levels of right infringement the system itself is little better than the convicts.

topsemag55

No, I've been in other countries, and their prisons are horrific on human rights compared to the U.S.

As I said, I don't agree with 28 years, it was excessive. A year would have been punishment enough, and the light should have been turned off at night to give him some semblance of a day/night cycle.

Frankly, some of the psychological treatment he endured would be something a POW would have experienced (like McCain).

Sounds like many aspects of this man's treatment could be considered cruel and unusual punishment to me...67gt500

[QUOTE="topsemag55"]

[QUOTE="GhoX"]

I don't think that's anything to be proud of, or do you suggest that the United States of America has worse treatment towards prisoners than other developed nations?

Human rights are called human rights for a reason. The legal definition of a human being begins when he is separated from the womb and is capable of being alive independently, and ends when the person dies, including brain stem death. Between those two points of life and death a prisoner is still a human being.

Imprisonment by itself is already infringement of human rights, with reasonable justifications. Further infringements leading to mistreatment of prisoners however is inhumane. Although retributive punishment has its place in the criminal justice system, if the system resorts to such detestable levels of right infringement the system itself is little better than the convicts.

GhoX

No, I've been in other countries, and their prisons are horrific on human rights compared to the U.S.

As I said, I don't agree with 28 years, it was excessive. A year would have been punishment enough, and the light should have been turned off at night to give him some semblance of a day/night cycle.

Frankly, some of the psychological treatment he endured would be something a POW would have experienced (like McCain).

It shouldn't be tolerated, but it's up to elected officials to do something about it.

This is how all prisoners should be treated. To hell with their rights - What about the rights of their victims?

Buttons1990

His drawings aren't displayed on page 34 and on. :(

Anyway, based on what I have read (on page 34 :P) his time in solitary, although harsh, is not exactly torture. They gave him art supplies, as well as TV and radio. He did do some bad stuff though, which he really doesn't go into much detail about. He gave absoultely NO reason as to why he killed the guard Clutts, other than he was afraid after killing the other inmate (which he also didn't go into much detail about, other than the inmate was threatening him), which I think is BS

InEMplease

Pretty much everyone who has been through extended solitary confinement has said the same thing: they didn't think it would be too bad, but the complete lack of contact with an external reality drove every last one of them crazy and severely degraded their ability to readjust to society once they got out.

I have no pity for murderers. I do think they should have killed him though. Think of all the tax payers money that went to keeping him alive.

I have no pity for murderers. I do think they should have killed him though. Think of all the tax payers money that went to keeping him alive.

ChaelaMcchubble

Honestly. 28 years is pretty harsh, and his story of defending himself could be true, one of the people i went to school with went to jail and told me about it and how the gaurds will actually kill you for very petty things.

I think they were just making an example of him, one that says if you kill a gaurd you are going to suffer hardcore.

Hm... The more I think of this, the more it sounds like a seriously @#$%ed up social experiment... Between the armed escorts, the cameras, the complete isolation, even from other inmates, the transfers... He had his own special cell, ffs.. I doubt he was the first person to kill 2 people, why would he get such harsh treatment?

I'd definitely want to read on the murders themelves, since he was so sketchy on those.. I mean maybe they were just THAT gruesome...

Reading that entire passage made me feel claustrophobic and disoriented

I have a question for all the people here complaining about how he was treated. Would you feel the same way had your family been among his victims?

I wager that the majority of you would be talking about how much he deserved it had you been affected by his transgressions. But you weren't, so you wont. What they need to do is follow up this article with ones exactly like it that are written by the family members of the people he killed. Watch the sympathy gauge drop to empty.

Alter_Echo

Thats terrible. It doesn't matter if he raped some people, murdered or stole. Thats just cruel.

The punishment this guy got made me think he orchestrated a genocide...

The worst part is that I'm sure he isn't the first guy to get this treatment.

i would go on a murder rampage on the guards who did that to me if i was him weezyfb

That's just inhumane.

This is how all prisoners should be treated. To hell with their rights - What about the rights of their victims?

Buttons1990

Good god....Even reading that disturbs me.

Edit: Just read the whole document. Wow. That was absolutely amazing, I even teared up at one point. The guy came from an abusive household, went on to be sentenced to 15 years. Was falsly accused of one murder, which prompted a gang leader to go after him, causing him to have to kill the gang leader in order to defend himself...

The whole story is truly frightening.