9 year old girl accidentally kills gun instructor with Uzi

What would be the outcome if it was the girl that was shot?...Fairly certain you answered your own question.

Americans apparently.

Less...demonstrably less.

No I didn't.

Nah, I am pretty sure you did.

Was it a problem giving this gal an Uzi to try and shoot? Yeah

Is it a problem giving this gal a gun that is more fit for her size and level of skill to begin to learn about them? No

The most effective preventative measure is not have a 9 year old girl with a gun in the first place.

@PSP107: what do you mean by outcome

A most unfortunate accident, however the concept of a 9 year old with an Uzi is absolutely ridiculous

I'll just post the entire thing since people apparently can't read anything in the context.

Clearly this is a strawman fallacy as it is yet anotherpost that attacks America's gun policy and has nothing to do with was being discussed: namely that a 9 year-old can handle a gun. If you can't see that, that's your problem. The statement is also just simply wrong, as I showed when I supported @airshocker's post by saying if 5 year-olds in Afghanistan can be trained to handle a kalashnikov, it's not a concern to train a 9-year old. Not sure why people are focusing on why I used the Al-Qaeda example. The point is a 5 year-old can be trained to handle a gun and that's all that I was trying to show with that. Should a 5 year-old have an Uzi? That's irrelevant. Can one be trained to use one? Yes. I am very sorry if people are incapable of understanding that.

Also here's my post. Note my statement "an uzi was a bit much for a novice though." You see I actually don't agree with a giving a novice 9 year-old an uzi. An 9 year-old that has used guns before is a different story though.

I was seven years old when I received/shot my first .22 rifle. Granted its not an Uzi and I wasn't allowed to shoot anything else until I was quite a bit older.

My parents must have thought I was ready to handle a small rifle. Would I trust most kids with a firearm? Absolutely not.

If the guy had accidentally shot the girl, the guy will be behind bars and this will be far a bigger story.

Wow hell, I'm all for kids being trained to properly shoot a weapon but there's certainly a line to be drawn, it's well before a high caliber rifle and it's also well before any kind of sub-machine gun. Baby-steps as they say...

I hate to throw that instructor under the bus considering that he is dead but he made a poor decision with his actions. There is no way I would stand that close to a nine year old girl with a uzi in her hand. I've seen grown women in the Army would couldn't handle the recoil of a machine gun.

The parents also made a poor decision allowing her to fire that weapon. Letting her fire a semi-automatic weapon would have been better. I'm not against letting a child try to use a pistol in a controlled environment because it gives them early exposure to gun safety so they aren't totally clueless when they may have to use one like half of the anti-gun folks may be.

I don't think kids should be using guns at that age. Especially if they aren't even physically capable of controlling it.

@PSP107: that would make sense that he would be if that happened

Actually a 9 year old shooting herself with an Uzi would cause greater moral outrage and result in much more discussion.

Same thing in the sense that if the girl would of died, it will be a bigger story.

@PSP107: it would be a bigger story but are you making some point about that?

There are so many questions to ask here.

Why did her parents find it appropriate for her to learn how to fire an uzi?

Why is there an instructor willing to teach a 9 year old how to fire an uzi?

Why wasn't there even 1 person who said "Hey guys, maybe this isn't the best idea?"

This story is ridiculous on so many levels.

"if the girl had accidentally shot herself, what will be the outcome?" I am so confused.

I would rank you two about equals in that regard.

Her parents probably took her to a commercial range that offers these types of weapons up for shooting. These ranges are popular since they tend to border states with excessive gun control laws.

The instructor was doing what he was paid to do by the range, I'm sure.

People tend to assume range instructors know what they're talking about. This guy probably did, he just forgot to take a few steps back while the girl was firing.

Again, this was a tragic accident. Nothing more.

Well you can't blame the girl obviously, it was the fault of the instructor. Why they thought giving a gun that has a lot of recoil to a 9 year old is a good idea is beyond me.

I'm just wondering why a range even allows a 9 year old to use such a weapon or why her parents would allow her to try to use such a weapon. It makes no sense at all. I am all for gun rights and being able to let your kids shoot, but a 9 year old shooting an uzi? Why? What good does that do for her? Who even uses uzis?

To me this story seems like a bit more than just a tragic accident, this shouldn't have been allowed to happen in the first place. It's a special mix of parental stupidity and extremely lax range rules on who can shoot what weapons.

At what point did anyone think that giving a gun to a kid was a good idea?

It just seems completely unthinkable to me. It'd be like teaching a 9 year old how to properly stab things with a hunting knife (only worse, since the kid with the knife is less likely to accidentally kill someone). It's a recipe for disaster.

If Americans want guns, sure, whatever, go for it. But please try to keep them in the hands of responsible adults, to avoid crap like this.

*Edit*
Just to clarify, in the USA: You can't drive until you're 16-18 (because kids can't be trusted on the road), you can't drink until you're 21 (because teens can't be trusted with alcohol), but you can shoot things when you're 9 (because...um...)?

Here's a crazy thought, how about NOT letting 9 year old kids fire guns!

Jesus I have a little sister who is 9 and there is no way in hell I would trust her with a weapon...

This isn't the fucking Walking Dead people. Kids don't need to know how to fire a gun to survive...

If others in that room had guns, they could have stopped her.

First of all that Instructor was dumb to have his head right over the gun as she fucking shot it (I feel bad for him but that was still pretty dumb), second a 9 year old is not ready to shot an Uzi if you are going to teach your kids about guns early start them off with something small like a .22 caliber rifle.

Tragic mistake from the instructor. I want to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he's usually on top of his game as that's what some would call an occupational hazard.

>Uzi
>9 year old girl
I think I see the problem

This is going to be a good thread

Its like the default logical fallacy

Who the hell gives a 9yr old child a semi automatic weapon in the first place???

Some people in this thread scare me worse than the video did =P

@indzman: How could I? You hadn't even participated in the thread =P

That's why most halfway intelligent parents MIGHT give their child an air gun to shoot at that age. Maybe a 22. I had a stupid accident with an air gun when I was like 10 or 11...it's not hard for a child that young to have an accident.

And yes, as an American, I've always wondering why guns are legal to shoot so young, yet nothing else seems to be. I know there's young children who CAN shoot young, but with the argument "it's good exposure" when they're young, how come the same rules aren't giving for driving and the like...

My thoughts is there is something serious wrong in a society when a 9 year old gets to handle a real UZI and kids gets to shoot guns as normally as it is going to the park playing football. And also the owner/staff says that they train kids as young as 5 in handling guns.

The victim was on the lower, left end of the bell curve that represents the distribution of IQs among the populace.

@EPICCOMMANDER: don't see a strawman, people just disagree with you and air is all. And given that deeliman was the person to make the first point, then his response was a clarifying of his original statement. His personal views finds kids handling guns a ridiculous idea that isn't going to go away by examples that kids can physically use guns. Especially when examples that you give are terroristic groups.

Help me here but which gun has more recoil? UZI or G3?

Shouldn't have given her an UZI. It can fly you to the skies.

Also real warfare bullets ha? Seems like some people have a death wish.

The parents are morons...who thinks letting a 9 year old shoot an Uzi is a good idea? I'm actually a proponent of gun rights, have a gun in my home, and have kids. But that was just ridiculous and a complete lack of judgement on the parents part.

I figure there would be, you know, age restrictions as far as shooting at a gun range goes. Who would think a 9-year old is totally capable of handling an Uzi is beyond me.

Unless of course, the girl knew what she was doing!

Because people plan these as family trips. Thousands of 9 year olds shoot guns everyday without anything bad happening. I've shot an Uzi before for no other reason than I wanted to shoot one. That's the point of going to these commercialized gun ranges. They offer exotic weapons that people may have always wanted to shoot but aren't allowed to own.

You're sensationalizing this.

The instructor should have at least held the gun with the girl to help her support the power of the gun as she fired, he let her fire a single shot by herself which she did surprisingly well, so from that he let her go fully auto all by herself. I'm sure that instructor was born yesterday.

Why would you let a nine-year old shoot a Uzi? Heck, why would you let a nine-year old use a GUN?!

Holy misrepresentation, batman. Kids can't shoot anything by themselves. This girl was shooting at a range with a professional instructor. You're making it out to be like children can just get dropped off at a range and start shooting. That's nonsense.

You're also not taking into account the thousands of children that have been going to shooting ranges with their family and haven't accidentally killed someone.

You need to calm down and stop overreacting.

Because there's nothing wrong with a 9 year old shooting a gun at a gun range.