9/11 Conspiracy Debate...

All right, I'm actually really interested in this. I personally believe that conspiracy theories, and the people that come up with them, are retarded. A few weeks ago I made a thread asking about Loose Change, and I came to see that Loose Change is garbage. Now I want people from both sides ( Conspiracy Theorists vs People like me) and I want to see some evidence from both sides supporting your arguement. I'm mainly doing this so I can see what you Conspiracy Theorists believe and I want to see your theories proven wrong.

Check this site.

I've quickly searched it on Google. I'm not in a mood for such a fight.

I really don't have the energy to get into this but...

It's physically impossible for the official story to be true. Towers don't implode on themselves in perfect symetry and turn to dust while falling at free fall speed because of fire.

There was molten steel below WTC 1, 2, and 7. People say the jet fuel melted the steel that was responsible for the molten pools beneath WTC 1 and 2 but a jet never hit 7 and it had the exact same molten metal beneath it. Plus, jet fuel doesn't burn hot enough to literally melt steel.

There were many, many, many reports of secondary explosions. Far too many to be all generators. There was a documentary called 9/11 eyewitness that I watched where you could see the sound waves of the explosives in an audio analysis program.

I've known this for a while, but the AP (mainstream media) finally reported the the 9/11 commission was essentially a fraud because the director, Philip Zelikow, was a Whitehouse insider. He specifically ommitted many pieces of information that couldn't be explained under the "pancake collapse" theory.

There are just too many holes.

What you really have to ask yourself is who benefits? Who has benefitted from 9/11 more than anyone else? Bush and Cheney. They've established permanent military bases in the middle east to allow their budies with no-bid contracts to continue to usurp tax dollars for private profits.

Good God.

Please stop making this thread over and over again. Please.

The discussion over this should either be put in one thread, or every thread about it should be locked.

Good God.

Please stop making this thread over and over again. Please.

The discussion over this should either be put in one thread, or every thread about it should be locked.

-TheSecondSign-

Same thing for religion topics.

Good God.

Please stop making this thread over and over again. Please.

The discussion over this should either be put in one thread, or every thread about it should be locked.

-TheSecondSign-

Ugh... If you weren't going to say anything to help this thread, why even post? Its just annoying...

[QUOTE="-TheSecondSign-"]

Good God.

Please stop making this thread over and over again. Please.

The discussion over this should either be put in one thread, or every thread about it should be locked.

Hedgie931

Ugh... If you weren't going to say anything to help this thread, why even post? Its just annoying...

His statement reflects the disposition of the masses who have had 9/11 beat into their heads. They don't want to think about it any more. It happened in the past and lets just move on.

That's why a lot of people never take the time to find out how much BS there is in the official story.

There was no reason for the government to orchestrate 9/11... they could have provoked outrage using a less destructive method. The government isn't led by Lex Luther. George Bush isn't going to flood the world (using alien crystals that grow when they touch water), just to get some high-end real estate property.

Just like the government wouldn't destroy two giant towers in New York city just to get people upset.

I really don't have the energy to get into this but...

It's physically impossible for the official story to be true. Towers don't implode on themselves in perfect symetry and turn to dust while falling at free fall speed because of fire.D9-THC

couple things. 1: gravity works DOWNWARD. the towers will fall DOWN. second, some of the concrete was turned into dust, but not quite all of it was. and this is still not a problem because you have millions of tons of it falling down. that is an immense amount of GPE released. fourth, it wasn't just fire. could it possibly at all have something to do with the fact that 2 commercial airliners just smashed into them at 500 MPH?

There was molten steel below WTC 1, 2, and 7. People say the jet fuel melted the steel that was responsible for the molten pools beneath WTC 1 and 2 but a jet never hit 7 and it had the exact same molten metal beneath it. Plus, jet fuel doesn't burn hot enough to literally melt steel.D9-THC

I'd like to see your source for molten steel being at WTC 7, and second, that was molten aluminum, not steel. third, all the friction from falling downwards will generate enough energy to melt steel. fourth, sulfur lowers the melting point of steel.

There were many, many, many reports of secondary explosions. Far too many to be all generators. There was a documentary called 9/11 eyewitness that I watched where you could see the sound waves of the explosives in an audio analysis program.D9-THC

1: people HEARD sounds that sounded like explosions. 2: explosions can be caused by rupturing gas lines. 3: explosion like noises can be caused from falling debris. fourth, explosion does not imply a bomb explosion

I've known this for a while, but the AP (mainstream media) finally reported the the 9/11 commission was essentially a fraud because the director, Philip Zelikow, was a Whitehouse insider. He specifically ommitted many pieces of information that couldn't be explained under the "pancake collapse" theory. D9-THC

such as.... oh, and SOURCE PLEASE

There are just too many holes.D9-THC

such as...

What you really have to ask yourself is who benefits? Who has benefitted from 9/11 more than anyone else? Bush and Cheney. They've established permanent military bases in the middle east to allow their budies with no-bid contracts to continue to usurp tax dollars for private profits.

D9-THC

Reason number one it wasn't a government conspiracy: No WMD's found in Iraq. Case closed.LukeAF24

[QUOTE="Hedgie931"][QUOTE="-TheSecondSign-"]

Good God.

Please stop making this thread over and over again. Please.

The discussion over this should either be put in one thread, or every thread about it should be locked.

D9-THC

Ugh... If you weren't going to say anything to help this thread, why even post? Its just annoying...

His statement reflects the disposition of the masses who have had 9/11 beat into their heads. They don't want to think about it any more. It happened in the past and lets just move on.

That's why a lot of people never take the time to find out how much BS there is in the official story.

Reason number one it wasn't a government conspiracy: No WMD's found in Iraq. Case closed.LukeAF24

There was no reason for the government to orchestrate 9/11... they could have provoked outrage using a less destructive method. The government isn't led by Lex Luther. George Bush isn't going to flood the world (using alien crystals that grow when they touch water), just to get some high-end real estate property.Kuja9998

It's about SOOOO much more than that.

It's about getting the people to give up their rights in order for the NWO to be able to step in and create a North American Union. The plan didn't end with 9/11...that was just the beginning.

Since 9/11 we've seen our civil rights deteriorate and the dollar isn't far off from collapsing.

The ultimate goal is to get everyone with an RFID chip implanted in their skin that holds all of their bank information, criminal information, health information, etc. The RFID chips will be capable of being remotely operated, and if anyone disagrees with whoever is in charge, they can simply turn off their chip and the person can no longer survive.

It's about securing totalitarian power and since Hillary is going to be the next president (unless Obama can pull a miracle out of his ass) it means the plan is continuing.

[QUOTE="Kuja9998"]There was no reason for the government to orchestrate 9/11... they could have provoked outrage using a less destructive method. The government isn't led by Lex Luther. George Bush isn't going to flood the world (using alien crystals that grow when they touch water), just to get some high-end real estate property.D9-THC

It's about SOOOO much more than that.

It's about getting the people to give up their rights in order for the NWO to be able to step in and create a North American Union. The plan didn't end with 9/11...that was just the beginning.

Since 9/11 we've seen our civil rights deteriorate and the dollar isn't far off from collapsing.

The ultimate goal is to get everyone with an RFID chip implanted in their skin that holds all of their bank information, criminal information, health information, etc. The RFID chips will be capable of being remotely operated, and if anyone disagrees with whoever is in charge, they can simply turn off their chip and the person can no longer survive.

It's about securing totalitarian power and since Hillary is going to be the next president (unless Obama can pull a miracle out of his ass) it means the plan is continuing.

[QUOTE="Kuja9998"]There was no reason for the government to orchestrate 9/11... they could have provoked outrage using a less destructive method. The government isn't led by Lex Luther. George Bush isn't going to flood the world (using alien crystals that grow when they touch water), just to get some high-end real estate property.D9-THC

It's about SOOOO much more than that.

It's about getting the people to give up their rights in order for the NWO to be able to step in and create a North American Union. The plan didn't end with 9/11...that was just the beginning.

Since 9/11 we've seen our civil rights deteriorate and the dollar isn't far off from collapsing.

The ultimate goal is to get everyone with an RFID chip implanted in their skin that holds all of their bank information, criminal information, health information, etc. The RFID chips will be capable of being remotely operated, and if anyone disagrees with whoever is in charge, they can simply turn off their chip and the person can no longer survive.

It's about securing totalitarian power and since Hillary is going to be the next president (unless Obama can pull a miracle out of his ass) it means the plan is continuing.

While I'm very confused by what you just said, please explain to me how the hell Hillary is gonna be our next President?

[QUOTE="Kuja9998"]There was no reason for the government to orchestrate 9/11... they could have provoked outrage using a less destructive method. The government isn't led by Lex Luther. George Bush isn't going to flood the world (using alien crystals that grow when they touch water), just to get some high-end real estate property.D9-THC

It's about SOOOO much more than that.

It's about getting the people to give up their rights in order for the NWO to be able to step in and create a North American Union. The plan didn't end with 9/11...that was just the beginning.

Since 9/11 we've seen our civil rights deteriorate and the dollar isn't far off from collapsing.

The ultimate goal is to get everyone with an RFID chip implanted in their skin that holds all of their bank information, criminal information, health information, etc. The RFID chips will be capable of being remotely operated, and if anyone disagrees with whoever is in charge, they can simply turn off their chip and the person can no longer survive.

It's about securing totalitarian power and since Hillary is going to be the next president (unless Obama can pull a miracle out of his ass) it means the plan is continuing.

I have, and you my friend, are mistaken. Loose change is BS and every other thing pretaining to a 9/11 conspiracy is a fraud. Thank you for joining the 9/11 conspiracy community toolbox, they love tools like you.cpo335

Until you've read everything I've read and watched everything I've watched, you're speaking out of your ass. Instead of discussing the facts, you use the same technique as everyone else. You insult me and tell me I'm a tool or an idiot or anything you can to discredit ME so you won't have to argue the facts.

I'm guessing you watched Loose Change and that was it...

I've been researching 9/11 for the last two years straight and everything I learn shows me I still no nothing of what happened. I have an idea...but for you to sit there and say that you're absolutely right with how little you've probably researched is ludicrous.

i'll appease both the ct people and the religious folks at the same time.

god did it.

/MANY threads

[QUOTE="cpo335"]I have, and you my friend, are mistaken. Loose change is BS and every other thing pretaining to a 9/11 conspiracy is a fraud. Thank you for joining the 9/11 conspiracy community toolbox, they love tools like you.D9-THC

Until you've read everything I've read and watched everything I've watched, you're speaking out of your ass. Instead of discussing the facts, you use the same technique as everyone else. You insult me and tell me I'm a tool or an idiot or anything you can to discredit ME so you won't have to argue the facts.

I'm guessing you watched Loose Change and that was it...

I've been researching 9/11 for the last two years straight and everything I learn shows me I still no nothing of what happened. I have an idea...but for you to sit there and say that you're absolutely right with how little you've probably researched is ludicrous.

Wow, paranoid much?cpo335

Wow, good argument.

I enjoy the part where you supported it.

Oh wait...you just did the same thing and insulted me again in an attempt to further discredit me.

[QUOTE="D9-THC"]

[QUOTE="Kuja9998"]There was no reason for the government to orchestrate 9/11... they could have provoked outrage using a less destructive method. The government isn't led by Lex Luther. George Bush isn't going to flood the world (using alien crystals that grow when they touch water), just to get some high-end real estate property.notconspiracy

It's about SOOOO much more than that.

It's about getting the people to give up their rights in order for the NWO to be able to step in and create a North American Union. The plan didn't end with 9/11...that was just the beginning.

Since 9/11 we've seen our civil rights deteriorate and the dollar isn't far off from collapsing.

The ultimate goal is to get everyone with an RFID chip implanted in their skin that holds all of their bank information, criminal information, health information, etc. The RFID chips will be capable of being remotely operated, and if anyone disagrees with whoever is in charge, they can simply turn off their chip and the person can no longer survive.

It's about securing totalitarian power and since Hillary is going to be the next president (unless Obama can pull a miracle out of his ass) it means the plan is continuing.

Aaron Russo's last recorded interview

Not that you'll watch it...but it's all there.

[QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="D9-THC"]

[QUOTE="Kuja9998"]There was no reason for the government to orchestrate 9/11... they could have provoked outrage using a less destructive method. The government isn't led by Lex Luther. George Bush isn't going to flood the world (using alien crystals that grow when they touch water), just to get some high-end real estate property.D9-THC

It's about SOOOO much more than that.

It's about getting the people to give up their rights in order for the NWO to be able to step in and create a North American Union. The plan didn't end with 9/11...that was just the beginning.

Since 9/11 we've seen our civil rights deteriorate and the dollar isn't far off from collapsing.

The ultimate goal is to get everyone with an RFID chip implanted in their skin that holds all of their bank information, criminal information, health information, etc. The RFID chips will be capable of being remotely operated, and if anyone disagrees with whoever is in charge, they can simply turn off their chip and the person can no longer survive.

It's about securing totalitarian power and since Hillary is going to be the next president (unless Obama can pull a miracle out of his ass) it means the plan is continuing.

Aaron Russo's last recorded interview

Not that you'll watch it...but it's all there.

Its an hour long and I'm not gonna sit trhough it all at the moment. Sum it up.

[QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="D9-THC"]

[QUOTE="Kuja9998"]There was no reason for the government to orchestrate 9/11... they could have provoked outrage using a less destructive method. The government isn't led by Lex Luther. George Bush isn't going to flood the world (using alien crystals that grow when they touch water), just to get some high-end real estate property.D9-THC

It's about SOOOO much more than that.

It's about getting the people to give up their rights in order for the NWO to be able to step in and create a North American Union. The plan didn't end with 9/11...that was just the beginning.

Since 9/11 we've seen our civil rights deteriorate and the dollar isn't far off from collapsing.

The ultimate goal is to get everyone with an RFID chip implanted in their skin that holds all of their bank information, criminal information, health information, etc. The RFID chips will be capable of being remotely operated, and if anyone disagrees with whoever is in charge, they can simply turn off their chip and the person can no longer survive.

It's about securing totalitarian power and since Hillary is going to be the next president (unless Obama can pull a miracle out of his ass) it means the plan is continuing.

Aaron Russo's last recorded interview

Not that you'll watch it...but it's all there.

[QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="D9-THC"]

[QUOTE="Kuja9998"]There was no reason for the government to orchestrate 9/11... they could have provoked outrage using a less destructive method. The government isn't led by Lex Luther. George Bush isn't going to flood the world (using alien crystals that grow when they touch water), just to get some high-end real estate property.D9-THC

It's about SOOOO much more than that.

It's about getting the people to give up their rights in order for the NWO to be able to step in and create a North American Union. The plan didn't end with 9/11...that was just the beginning.

Since 9/11 we've seen our civil rights deteriorate and the dollar isn't far off from collapsing.

The ultimate goal is to get everyone with an RFID chip implanted in their skin that holds all of their bank information, criminal information, health information, etc. The RFID chips will be capable of being remotely operated, and if anyone disagrees with whoever is in charge, they can simply turn off their chip and the person can no longer survive.

It's about securing totalitarian power and since Hillary is going to be the next president (unless Obama can pull a miracle out of his ass) it means the plan is continuing.

Not that you'll watch it...but it's all there.

The only debate about 9/11 is about how big of a retard you have to be to believe in conspiracy theories around it.ProudLarry

I like this guy...:D

i dont know what to believe, the whole subject seems liek it's some sort of nightmare, it's not something I would talk about. Loose Change did present alot of intriguing evidence though.Bauers-Twin

you really should watch this when you have time

It's physically impossible for the official story to be true. Towers don't implode on themselves in perfect symetry and turn to dust while falling at free fall speed because of fire.D9-THC

The only debate about 9/11 is about how big of a retard you have to be to believe in conspiracy theories around it.ProudLarry

Good argument.

[QUOTE="D9-THC"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="D9-THC"]

[QUOTE="Kuja9998"]There was no reason for the government to orchestrate 9/11... they could have provoked outrage using a less destructive method. The government isn't led by Lex Luther. George Bush isn't going to flood the world (using alien crystals that grow when they touch water), just to get some high-end real estate property.Hedgie931

It's about SOOOO much more than that.

It's about getting the people to give up their rights in order for the NWO to be able to step in and create a North American Union. The plan didn't end with 9/11...that was just the beginning.

Since 9/11 we've seen our civil rights deteriorate and the dollar isn't far off from collapsing.

The ultimate goal is to get everyone with an RFID chip implanted in their skin that holds all of their bank information, criminal information, health information, etc. The RFID chips will be capable of being remotely operated, and if anyone disagrees with whoever is in charge, they can simply turn off their chip and the person can no longer survive.

It's about securing totalitarian power and since Hillary is going to be the next president (unless Obama can pull a miracle out of his ass) it means the plan is continuing.

Aaron Russo's last recorded interview

Not that you'll watch it...but it's all there.

Its an hour long and I'm not gonna sit trhough it all at the moment. Sum it up.

The NWO is comprised of private bankers that have had control of most of the world's wealth since Napolean was defeated as a result of Rothchild spreading a rumor that Napolean won the war. People in England panicked and Rothchild was able to buy up the vast majority of stock market.

A "secret society" was financed by the bankers to assassinate Franz Ferdinand in order to start WWI. The idea is that in order to create the weapons, someone would have to get paid. The banks financed both sides of the war (they created) in order to keep their profits going.

Skip ahead a few years...

These people have been able to maintain their money and power (Rockefeller ring a bell?) and one of them befriended Aaron Russo. They attempted to recruit him into what is essentially the NWO, and when they did that, he told them he disagrees with their tactics and people should be free, they shouldn't be enslaved. Russo then made his life mission to expose these people.

Nick Rockefeller (Russo's friend) in a recorded conversation, warned Russo of an attack 11 months before 9/11 where there would be "a major event they'd blame on terrorists in order to lead us into Afghanistan, Iraq, and Iran. He also informed Russo of the "end goal" being having everyone chipped in order to prevent society from ever creating another revolution. It's a plan for permanent enslavement.

[QUOTE="Bauers-Twin"]i dont know what to believe, the whole subject seems liek it's some sort of nightmare, it's not something I would talk about. Loose Change did present alot of intriguing evidence though.notconspiracy

you really should watch this when you have time

Holy Hell. While I've heard it disproves Loose Change, there is no way I'm going to watch that right now. Though I'm sure its good. :D

[QUOTE="D9-THC"]

It's physically impossible for the official story to be true. Towers don't implode on themselves in perfect symetry and turn to dust while falling at free fall speed because of fire.blackngold29

Oh really?

How do you explain building 7?

[QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="D9-THC"]

It's physically impossible for the official story to be true. Towers don't implode on themselves in perfect symetry and turn to dust while falling at free fall speed because of fire.D9-THC

Oh really?

How do you explain building 7?

[QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="D9-THC"]

It's physically impossible for the official story to be true. Towers don't implode on themselves in perfect symetry and turn to dust while falling at free fall speed because of fire.D9-THC

Oh really?

How do you explain building 7?

[QUOTE="Kuja9998"]There was no reason for the government to orchestrate 9/11... they could have provoked outrage using a less destructive method. The government isn't led by Lex Luther. George Bush isn't going to flood the world (using alien crystals that grow when they touch water), just to get some high-end real estate property.D9-THC

It's about SOOOO much more than that.

It's about getting the people to give up their rights in order for the NWO to be able to step in and create a North American Union. The plan didn't end with 9/11...that was just the beginning.

Since 9/11 we've seen our civil rights deteriorate and the dollar isn't far off from collapsing.

The ultimate goal is to get everyone with an RFID chip implanted in their skin that holds all of their bank information, criminal information, health information, etc. The RFID chips will be capable of being remotely operated, and if anyone disagrees with whoever is in charge, they can simply turn off their chip and the person can no longer survive.

It's about securing totalitarian power and since Hillary is going to be the next president (unless Obama can pull a miracle out of his ass) it means the plan is continuing.

You are soooo gullible. Do you believe anything people tell you?

Chips in peoples minds? NWO? Nope, none of it is going to happen. What if (and by if I mean when) Hillary loses, what happens to your little "plan"?

Just listen to what you are saying: "omg teh international bankers (whoever they are) shall kill us common folk with micochips! hurry go on youtube for all the info!"

People like you are no different from those who believe aliens made the pyramids: flat out crazy.

[QUOTE="D9-THC"][QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="D9-THC"]

It's physically impossible for the official story to be true. Towers don't implode on themselves in perfect symetry and turn to dust while falling at free fall speed because of fire.cpo335

Oh really?

How do you explain building 7?

There was no gaping hole in Tower 7. Only a few small fires on a couple floors, but nothing close enough to melt/weaken the steel as the official report would attempt to have us all believe.

[QUOTE="cpo335"][QUOTE="D9-THC"][QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="D9-THC"]

It's physically impossible for the official story to be true. Towers don't implode on themselves in perfect symetry and turn to dust while falling at free fall speed because of fire.Truth_Seekr

Oh really?

How do you explain building 7?

There was no gaping hole in Tower 7. Only a few small fires on a couple floors, but nothing close enough to melt/weaken the steel as the official report would attempt to have us all believe.

In Nov 2000 Saddam would sell oil in Euros instead of dollars. US was forced to buy in Euros. Iraq sold 3.3 billion barrels of oil, US bought 2 thirds of that. Petro dollar mechanism was breaking down & US had to get Euros to buy Oil. Keeping oil priced exclusively in dollars was enough cause for waging war in Iraq after Iraq's bold switch to EURO oil payments.

vs

The Euro was the Weapon of Mass Destruction according to the Bush Administration. In any event, I suppose the reason for 9/11 was a mixture of everything from the currency in which it was sold to gaining and maintaining an even tighter stranglehold on the black gold and to pushing forth the agenda for the Project for the New American Century(PNAC).

In Nov 2000 Saddam would sell oil in Euros instead of dollars. US was forced to buy in Euros. Iraq sold 3.3 billion barrels of oil, US bought 2 thirds of that. Petro dollar mechanism was breaking down & US had to get Euros to buy Oil. Keeping oil priced exclusively in dollars was enough cause for waging war in Iraq after Iraq's bold switch to EURO oil payments.

vs

The Euro was the Weapon of Mass Destruction according to the Bush Administration. In any event, I suppose the reason for 9/11 was a mixture of everything from the currency in which it was sold to gaining and maintaining an even tighter stranglehold on the black gold and to pushing forth the agenda for the Project for the New American Century(PNAC).

Truth_Seekr

second, the reason they were invaded was because everyone in the US government knew that saddam was the most dangerous dictator in the world. this is why in 1998, bill clinton signed a resolution for a plan for regime change in iraq