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#51 D9-THC
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[QUOTE="D9-THC"][QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="D9-THC"]

It's physically impossible for the official story to be true. Towers don't implode on themselves in perfect symetry and turn to dust while falling at free fall speed because of fire.ProudLarry

They do when you run airplanes into them

Oh really?

How do you explain building 7?

Damage from the collapse of the twin towers took out a nice sized chunk of the bottom floors. Seen here:  Most of the building was on fire, and that did nothing but contribute to the building's instability..

Hmm...in that picture the damage seems to located on one side of the building.

Speaking from the standpoint of somebody with a basic understanding of physics...

If the damage was on one side that means that side would have been weaker...correct? Well gravity pulls equally down on all parts of the building, therefore the building should have TOPPLED toward its weak side.

Instead, it collapsed in perfect symetry at free fall speed. As if EVERYTHING supporting the building suddenly failed. How could the entire structure of a building fail in unison from damage in one specific area?

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#52 D9-THC
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[QUOTE="Kuja9998"]There was no reason for the government to orchestrate 9/11... they could have provoked outrage using a less destructive method. The government isn't led by Lex Luther. George Bush isn't going to flood the world (using alien crystals that grow when they touch water), just to get some high-end real estate property.limpbizkit818

It's about SOOOO much more than that.

It's about getting the people to give up their rights in order for the NWO to be able to step in and create a North American Union. The plan didn't end with 9/11...that was just the beginning.

Since 9/11 we've seen our civil rights deteriorate and the dollar isn't far off from collapsing.

The ultimate goal is to get everyone with an RFID chip implanted in their skin that holds all of their bank information, criminal information, health information, etc. The RFID chips will be capable of being remotely operated, and if anyone disagrees with whoever is in charge, they can simply turn off their chip and the person can no longer survive.

It's about securing totalitarian power and since Hillary is going to be the next president (unless Obama can pull a miracle out of his ass) it means the plan is continuing.

You are soooo gullible. Do you believe anything people tell you?

Chips in peoples minds? NWO? Nope, none of it is going to happen. What if (and by if I mean when) Hillary loses, what happens to your little "plan"?

Just listen to what you are saying: "omg teh international bankers (whoever they are) shall kill us common folk with micochips! hurry go on youtube for all the info!"

People like you are no different from those who believe aliens made the pyramids: flat out crazy.

You are soooo gullible. Do you believe anything people tell you?

Chips in peoples minds? NWO? Nope, none of it is going to happen. What if (and by if I mean when) Hillary loses, what happens to your little "plan"?

Just listen to what you are saying: "omg teh international bankers (whoever they are) shall kill has common folk with micochips! hurry go on youtube for all the info!"

People like you are no different from those who believe aliens made the pyramids: flat out crazy.

Good argument. I like how you debated the facts.

This is how 99.99999999999% of people argue against the 9/11 truth movement.

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#53 notconspiracy
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[QUOTE="ProudLarry"][QUOTE="D9-THC"][QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="D9-THC"]

It's physically impossible for the official story to be true. Towers don't implode on themselves in perfect symetry and turn to dust while falling at free fall speed because of fire.D9-THC

They do when you run airplanes into them

Oh really?

How do you explain building 7?

Damage from the collapse of the twin towers took out a nice sized chunk of the bottom floors. Seen here:

Hmm...in that picture the damage seems to located on one side of the building.

Speaking from the standpoint of somebody with a basic understanding of physics...

If the damage was on one side that means that side would have been weaker...correct? Well gravity pulls equally down on all parts of the building, therefore the building should have TOPPLED toward its weak side.

Instead, it collapsed in perfect symetry at free fall speed. As if EVERYTHING supporting the building suddenly failed. How could the entire structure of a building fail in unison from damage in one specific area?

im fairly certain that falling debris had actually damaged the support trusses. WTC 7 wasn't like most skyscrapers. it was held by 2 trusses
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#54 cpo335
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[QUOTE="limpbizkit818"][QUOTE="D9-THC"]

[QUOTE="Kuja9998"]There was no reason for the government to orchestrate 9/11... they could have provoked outrage using a less destructive method. The government isn't led by Lex Luther. George Bush isn't going to flood the world (using alien crystals that grow when they touch water), just to get some high-end real estate property.D9-THC

It's about SOOOO much more than that.

It's about getting the people to give up their rights in order for the NWO to be able to step in and create a North American Union. The plan didn't end with 9/11...that was just the beginning.

Since 9/11 we've seen our civil rights deteriorate and the dollar isn't far off from collapsing.

The ultimate goal is to get everyone with an RFID chip implanted in their skin that holds all of their bank information, criminal information, health information, etc. The RFID chips will be capable of being remotely operated, and if anyone disagrees with whoever is in charge, they can simply turn off their chip and the person can no longer survive.

It's about securing totalitarian power and since Hillary is going to be the next president (unless Obama can pull a miracle out of his ass) it means the plan is continuing.

You are soooo gullible. Do you believe anything people tell you?

Chips in peoples minds? NWO? Nope, none of it is going to happen. What if (and by if I mean when) Hillary loses, what happens to your little "plan"?

Just listen to what you are saying: "omg teh international bankers (whoever they are) shall kill us common folk with micochips! hurry go on youtube for all the info!"

People like you are no different from those who believe aliens made the pyramids: flat out crazy.

You are soooo gullible. Do you believe anything people tell you?

Chips in peoples minds? NWO? Nope, none of it is going to happen. What if (and by if I mean when) Hillary loses, what happens to your little "plan"?

Just listen to what you are saying: "omg teh international bankers (whoever they are) shall kill has common folk with micochips! hurry go on youtube for all the info!"

People like you are no different from those who believe aliens made the pyramids: flat out crazy.

Good argument. I like how you debated the facts.

This is how 99.99999999999% of people argue against the 9/11 truth movement.

Well you're ignoring everyone on the internet that disproves teh conspiracy so forgive us for acting this way.
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#55 D9-THC
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[QUOTE="D9-THC"][QUOTE="ProudLarry"][QUOTE="D9-THC"][QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="D9-THC"]

It's physically impossible for the official story to be true. Towers don't implode on themselves in perfect symetry and turn to dust while falling at free fall speed because of fire.notconspiracy

They do when you run airplanes into them

Oh really?

How do you explain building 7?

Damage from the collapse of the twin towers took out a nice sized chunk of the bottom floors. Seen here:

Hmm...in that picture the damage seems to located on one side of the building.

Speaking from the standpoint of somebody with a basic understanding of physics...

If the damage was on one side that means that side would have been weaker...correct? Well gravity pulls equally down on all parts of the building, therefore the building should have TOPPLED toward its weak side.

Instead, it collapsed in perfect symetry at free fall speed. As if EVERYTHING supporting the building suddenly failed. How could the entire structure of a building fail in unison from damage in one specific area?

im fairly certain that falling debris had actually damaged the support trusses. WTC 7 wasn't like most skyscrapers. it was held by 2 trusses

In that case, how could debris falling (not exploding debris...) hit a building with enough force to level it? Think about how hard the debris would have had to have been pushed outward in order to create that kind of damage.

Probably not possible without there being explosives to propel the debris.

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#56 UTXII
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Watch Loose Change. It makes sense, you cannot deny the facts they present you. I think it's on Google?
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#57 D9-THC
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Well you're ignoring everyone on the internet that disproves teh conspiracy so forgive us for acting this way.cpo335

I'm not ignoring it.

I'm extremely open-minded and objective. I've closely studied both sides, but the official story is the more ludicrous one to me.

I really hope I'm wrong...honestly. I really hope Obama can throw a wrench in the gears...I'm not even a democrat :P

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#58 ProudLarry
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Yes, obviously a basic understanding of physics. The reason it didn't fall over to one side like you're playing a game of Jenga is because there was, counter-intuitively, not enough damage. Instead all of this weight was now being supported by only one side of the building, something that the supports were not designed to do. So as soon as those structural columns failed under the weight, the building came down, in a somehwat, but not completely straight down direction.
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[QUOTE="Truth_Seekr"][QUOTE="cpo335"][QUOTE="D9-THC"][QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="D9-THC"]

It's physically impossible for the official story to be true. Towers don't implode on themselves in perfect symetry and turn to dust while falling at free fall speed because of fire.cpo335

They do when you run airplanes into them

Oh really?

How do you explain building 7?

How do you explain the giant, gaping hold in the side of building 7?

There was no gaping hole in Tower 7. Only a few small fires on a couple floors, but nothing close enough to melt/weaken the steel as the official report would attempt to have us all believe.

Look above at the picture. There was a gaping hole.

Well in all truthfullness, a lot of the surrounding buildings suffered structural damage as well from the demolition of Towers 1 & 2, but it's kinda funny how none of those buildings dematerialized the way Tower 7 did. In that picture showing damage to the SW floor or Tower 7, had that been the cause of the collapse wouldn't it be assumed that it would've tipped over to the side that it was weak on instead of falling straight down into it's own footprint?

They may have been some strutural damage and small little fires to Tower 7, but enough to make it fall down the way it did,

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#60 k_smoove
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Sorry, but it had to be done.

Personally, I find it stupid to believe that a government would kill a large population of innocent civilians just to go to war.

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#61 D9-THC
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Sorry, but it had to be done.

Personally, I find it stupid to believe that a government would kill a large population of innocent civilians just to go to war.

k_smoove

Hmm...

Ever heard of the Gulf of Tonkin?

Operation Northwoods?

The Reichstag Fire?

You're over simplifying it. It's not about "just going to war." War is the greatest facilitator of their current goals.

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#62 Truth_Seekr
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In Nov 2000 Saddam would sell oil in Euros instead of dollars. US was forced to buy in Euros. Iraq sold 3.3 billion barrels of oil, US bought 2 thirds of that. Petro dollar mechanism was breaking down & US had to get Euros to buy Oil. Keeping oil priced exclusively in dollars was enough cause for waging war in Iraq after Iraq's bold switch to EURO oil payments.

vs

The Euro was the Weapon of Mass Destruction according to the Bush Administration. In any event, I suppose the reason for 9/11 was a mixture of everything from the currency in which it was sold to gaining and maintaining an even tighter stranglehold on the black gold and to pushing forth the agenda for the Project for the New American Century(PNAC).

notconspiracy

first off, the bush administration admitted that saddam had nothing to do with 9/11

second, the reason they were invaded was because everyone in the US government knew that saddam was the most dangerous dictator in the world. this is why in 1998, bill clinton signed a resolution for a plan for regime change in iraq

Switching to Euros was more than enough reason to wage war, especially if it meant that the US had to LOSE money to buy EUROs(stronger currency) to trade the black gold.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,998512,00.html

I'm sure there were other reasons to go into Iraq altogether, but ultimately, I'd say this is why Iraq was invaded.

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#63 notconspiracy
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[QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="D9-THC"][QUOTE="ProudLarry"][QUOTE="D9-THC"][QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="D9-THC"]

It's physically impossible for the official story to be true. Towers don't implode on themselves in perfect symetry and turn to dust while falling at free fall speed because of fire.D9-THC

They do when you run airplanes into them

Oh really?

How do you explain building 7?

Damage from the collapse of the twin towers took out a nice sized chunk of the bottom floors. Seen here:

Hmm...in that picture the damage seems to located on one side of the building.

Speaking from the standpoint of somebody with a basic understanding of physics...

If the damage was on one side that means that side would have been weaker...correct? Well gravity pulls equally down on all parts of the building, therefore the building should have TOPPLED toward its weak side.

Instead, it collapsed in perfect symetry at free fall speed. As if EVERYTHING supporting the building suddenly failed. How could the entire structure of a building fail in unison from damage in one specific area?

im fairly certain that falling debris had actually damaged the support trusses. WTC 7 wasn't like most skyscrapers. it was held by 2 trusses

In that case, how could debris falling (not exploding debris...) hit a building with enough force to level it? Think about how hard the debris would have had to have been pushed outward in order to create that kind of damage.

Probably not possible without there being explosives to propel the debris.

explosions big enough to send debris that far would have been EASILY noticable, and by easily, I mean IMPOSSIBLE to not notice
Watch Loose Change. It makes sense, you cannot deny the facts they present you. I think it's on Google?UTXII
then watch this afterwords
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#64 notconspiracy
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[QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="Truth_Seekr"]

In Nov 2000 Saddam would sell oil in Euros instead of dollars. US was forced to buy in Euros. Iraq sold 3.3 billion barrels of oil, US bought 2 thirds of that. Petro dollar mechanism was breaking down & US had to get Euros to buy Oil. Keeping oil priced exclusively in dollars was enough cause for waging war in Iraq after Iraq's bold switch to EURO oil payments.

vs

The Euro was the Weapon of Mass Destruction according to the Bush Administration. In any event, I suppose the reason for 9/11 was a mixture of everything from the currency in which it was sold to gaining and maintaining an even tighter stranglehold on the black gold and to pushing forth the agenda for the Project for the New American Century(PNAC).

Truth_Seekr

first off, the bush administration admitted that saddam had nothing to do with 9/11

second, the reason they were invaded was because everyone in the US government knew that saddam was the most dangerous dictator in the world. this is why in 1998, bill clinton signed a resolution for a plan for regime change in iraq

Switching to Euros was more than enough reason to wage war, especially if it meant that the US had to LOSE money to buy EUROs(stronger currency) to trade the black gold.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,998512,00.html

Ultimately, I'd say this is why Iraq was invaded.

ultimately, belief =/= truth.
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#65 D9-THC
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Yes, obviously a basic understanding of physics. The reason it didn't fall over to one side like you're playing a game of Jenga is because there was, counter-intuitively, not enough damage. Instead all of this weight was now being supported by only one side of the building, something that the supports were not designed to do. So as soon as those structural columns failed under the weight, the building came down, in a somehwat, but not completely straight down direction.ProudLarry

In that case, professional building demolishers wouldn't waste their time trying to take out all supports when they bring down a building right?

Why is it that if they even miss one support that it doesn't drop so perfectly?

You're right that under those circumstances the building would have collapsed...given enough time...however, it collapsed perfectly in terms of a controlled demolition.

If it were that simple, there wouldn't be a need to hire demolition companies for any building collapses.

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#66 notconspiracy
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[QUOTE="ProudLarry"]Yes, obviously a basic understanding of physics. The reason it didn't fall over to one side like you're playing a game of Jenga is because there was, counter-intuitively, not enough damage. Instead all of this weight was now being supported by only one side of the building, something that the supports were not designed to do. So as soon as those structural columns failed under the weight, the building came down, in a somehwat, but not completely straight down direction.D9-THC

In that case, professional building demolishers wouldn't waste their time trying to take out all supports when they bring down a building right?

Why is it that if they even miss one support that it doesn't drop so perfectly?

You're right that under those circumstances the building would have collapsed...given enough time...however, it collapsed perfectly in terms of a controlled demolition.

If it were that simple, there wouldn't be a need to hire demolition companies for any building collapses.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79sJ1bMR6VQ

where are the explosions all along tower 7? where are the squibs, and why did it take 16 seconds to collapse? because it was not a controlled demolition

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#67 limpbizkit818
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Good argument. I like how you debated the facts.

This is how 99.99999999999% of people argue against the 9/11 truth movement.

D9-THC

What facts? O that rant about international bankers. The 9/11 truth movement is fraud. A nationalist killed Franz Ferdinand, it's as simple as that. No bankers, no secret society.

Rothschild learned that Napoleon had been defeated before the government report was out, but clams of him making money off it are exaterated. Where did you read otherwise?

http://books.google.com/books?id=khxKMg6wjH4C&pg=PR19&lpg=PR19&dq=%22rothschild+nathan+mayer+1777+1836%22&source=web&ots=DYBnVnqMCX&sig=ddVaOXR3ED7Ts3q32iylyKqO1jg#PPA145,M1

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-sorry for the long reply time

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#68 ProudLarry
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[QUOTE="ProudLarry"]Yes, obviously a basic understanding of physics. The reason it didn't fall over to one side like you're playing a game of Jenga is because there was, counter-intuitively, not enough damage. Instead all of this weight was now being supported by only one side of the building, something that the supports were not designed to do. So as soon as those structural columns failed under the weight, the building came down, in a somehwat, but not completely straight down direction.D9-THC

In that case, professional building demolishers wouldn't waste their time trying to take out all supports when they bring down a building right?

Why is it that if they even miss one support that it doesn't drop so perfectly?

You're right that under those circumstances the building would have collapsed...given enough time...however, it collapsed perfectly in terms of a controlled demolition.

If it were that simple, there wouldn't be a need to hire demolition companies for any building collapses.

The purpose of controlled demolition is to bring down a structure in a quick and controlled manner. WTC 7 was neither. Can you really say that demolitionists would want to knock out just enough supports in a building to not make it collapse to one side but just enough to keep it up so all the weight is held by the remainder, and then wait minutes, perhaps hours for those supports to fail? That makes absolutely no sense.
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debunk this..

no steel skyscraper in the history of the earth has ever collapsed due to fire before 911

why did the building fall straight down, leaving a column of smoke? This has ONLY ever been seen in demolitions and EVEN DEMOLITIONS sometimes make building collapse sideways!

use you head! if you have a giant steel building that was built to withstand earthquakes and EVEN planes and a plane hits in at the very top, what makes it pancake? what gives the top part enough momentum to collapse through STEEL?

Also, since when can aluminum pierce steel? and dont saying "it can when its going 500mph" because it cant, that would just squish the aluminum faster.. FFS a bullet couldnt pierce solid steel and you think 500 mph aluminum can!? and you say we are the gullible ones.

oh its the fire right? the fuel caught fire and magically maneuvered down elevator shafts and "melted" the STEEL right?

the fact of the matter is, if "terrorists" flew REAL "planes" into the towers than you would have nothing but a flattened plane falling to the ground and most of the "magic fuel" would have burned off in the initial explosion lawl

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http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons That page should end this argument. Now can we please put a stop to this thread.
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#74 deactivated-58f8be37da70d
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    http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons There is no conspiracy. Conspiracy theories are just things that people come up with whenever something bad happens because they cannot find an explanation for it. The end. This thread is stupid.
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no steel skyscraper in the history of the earth has ever collapsed due to fire before 911Gator08
A normal fire and burning jetfuel are two completely different things...
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#76 hungrycow
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Hmmmm..........

911 is obviously a fake, but that is not so important.

What is important however, is who's side are you on:

The people or the corporate elite?

Personally I know 9/11 was fake and I'm not even going to argue with people on this. Loose Change and 9/11 mysteties do a perfect job of illuminating the problems with the current theory and if you choose to believe what news or popular mechanics tell you, then it's your problem.

A great life with money and a nice house but also filled with sin OR a life filled with poverty and hunger and no sin?

You decide. Or just ignore the problem. World War 3 and FEMA camps are coming for you anyways = )

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the fact of the matter is, if "terrorists" flew REAL "planes" into the towers than you would have nothing but a flattened plane falling to the ground and most of the "magic fuel" would have burned off in the initial explosion lawl

Gator08

So what you are saying is this:

The plane would hit the side of the building, compress, then fell to the ground.

Please tell me I don't understand you or that you are joking.

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Joke post right? Becuase it takes maybe a total of 5 brain cells to reason your way though your arguments. In case it's not...

debunk this..

no steel skyscraper in the history of the earth has ever collapsed due to fire before 911 Good thing no one ever said it collapsed from a fire, it collapsed because 250 ton objects flying at 500 mph had enough kinetic energy to destroy much of the support structure in the area effected by the crash.

why did the building fall straight down, leaving a column of smoke? This has ONLY ever been seen in demolitions and EVEN DEMOLITIONS sometimes make building collapse sideways!Demolitions start from the ground floor and work their way up. And it wasn't just smoke left behind, most of it was just dust.

use you head! if you have a giant steel building that was built to withstand earthquakes and EVEN planes and a plane hits in at the very top, what makes it pancake? what gives the top part enough momentum to collapse through STEEL?The WTC probably wasn't designed to withstand earthquakes, and a plane crashing though it, and an earthquake are very different things. Obviously a plane would do more immediate damage.

Also, since when can aluminum pierce steel? and dont saying "it can when its going 500mph" because it cant, that would just squish the aluminum faster.. FFS a bullet couldnt pierce solid steel and you think 500 mph aluminum can!? and you say we are the gullible ones.Since when was the WTC solid steel? Your argument would hold weight if the towers were ust giant blocks of steel. Obviously they were not.

oh its the fire right? the fuel caught fire and magically maneuvered down elevator shafts and "melted" the STEEL right?No one ever said the steel melted. But it certainyl did get hot enough from combusting jet fuel that it lost most of its structural strength.

the fact of the matter is, if "terrorists" flew REAL "planes" into the towers than you would have nothing but a flattened plane falling to the ground and most of the "magic fuel" would have burned off in the initial explosion lawl "lawl" indeed

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#79 D9-THC
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[QUOTE="Gator08"]no steel skyscraper in the history of the earth has ever collapsed due to fire before 911specialedpal
A normal fire and burning jetfuel are two completely different things...

Kerosene has the ability to weaken steel to a point that a collapse would have been possible.

However...the fire was burning in one part of each building and all three (1, 2 and 7) collapsed perfectly into their own footprint. In order for heat to conduct throughout all of the structures of the towers to the point that it collapsed under its own weight is impossible with kerosene.

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debunk this..

no steel skyscraper in the history of the earth has ever collapsed due to fire before 911Gator08

no commercial jet has ever flown into a skyscraper at 500 MPH before 9/11 either.

why did the building fall straight down, leaving a column of smoke? This has ONLY ever been seen in demolitions and EVEN DEMOLITIONS sometimes make building collapse sideways!Gator08

the building fell down because gravity works DOWNWARDS!

use you head! if you have a giant steel building that was built to withstand earthquakes and EVEN planes and a plane hits in at the very top, what makes it pancake? what gives the top part enough momentum to collapse through STEEL?Gator08

the building was most certainly not earthquake proof. second, when the building was designed, the only way they imagined a plane crashing into it was one that got lost in the fog, and back then planes carried a lot less fuel. no one could have possibly imagined that terrorists would use fully laden commercial airliners as missiles

Also, since when can aluminum pierce steel? and dont saying "it can when its going 500mph" because it cant, that would just squish the aluminum faster.. FFS a bullet couldnt pierce solid steel and you think 500 mph aluminum can!? and you say we are the gullible ones. Gator08

the plane didn't impact solid steel, but steel columns. second, the plane weighs thousands and thousands of pounds. it most certainly would damage the columns.

oh its the fire right? the fuel caught fire and magically maneuvered down elevator shafts and "melted" the STEEL right?Gator08

the fuel got blown all over the place, including inside the elevator shafts. when it got into the elevator shafts, it fell. this is due to a little known force called GRAVITY. second, the official report says nothing about the steel being melted, just weakened

the fact of the matter is, if "terrorists" flew REAL "planes" into the towers than you would have nothing but a flattened plane falling to the ground and most of the "magic fuel" would have burned off in the initial explosion lawl

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ehh, no. the only way the fuel can burn instantly is if it were gaseous and inside a oxygen-rich environment. niether of these 2 conditions were met, and thus the jet fuel continued to burn for several minutes before weakening the steel columns
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#81 notconspiracy
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[QUOTE="specialedpal"][QUOTE="Gator08"]no steel skyscraper in the history of the earth has ever collapsed due to fire before 911D9-THC

A normal fire and burning jetfuel are two completely different things...

Kerosene has the ability to weaken steel to a point that a collapse would have been possible.

However...the fire was burning in one part of each building and all three (1, 2 and 7) collapsed perfectly into their own footprint. In order for heat to conduct throughout all of the structures of the towers to the point that it collapsed under its own weight is impossible with kerosene.

they didn't "collapse perfectly". if they did, then the other buildings would NOT have been damaged

second, kerosene can burn quickly enough to weaken steel.

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#82 notconspiracy
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Hmmmm..........

911 is obviously a fake, but that is not so important.

What is important however, is who's side are you on:

The people or the corporate elite?

Personally I know 9/11 was fake and I'm not even going to argue with people on this. Loose Change and 9/11 mysteties do a perfect job of illuminating the problems with the current theory and if you choose to believe what news or popular mechanics tell you, then it's your problem.

A great life with money and a nice house but also filled with sin OR a life filled with poverty and hunger and no sin?

You decide. Or just ignore the problem. World War 3 and FEMA camps are coming for you anyways = )

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*facepalm* loose change? you have to be kidding.
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There is no conspriracy, you don't have to listen to everything Rosie O Donnel says
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[QUOTE="Gator08"]

the fact of the matter is, if "terrorists" flew REAL "planes" into the towers than you would have nothing but a flattened plane falling to the ground and most of the "magic fuel" would have burned off in the initial explosion lawl

limpbizkit818

So what you are saying is this:

The plane would hit the side of the building, compress, then fell to the ground.

Please tell me I don't understand you or that you are joking.

Lol i was exaggerating ofcourse there would be an explosion and the plane would end up inside the building, but there is no way it hell it would cause enough damage to make it fall.

Oh, and weakened steel doesnt mean a damn thing. what gives the top part enough momentum to crush the lower (unweakened and structurally sound) floors? why didnt the top just topple over or sit on top?

AND YES, the buildings WERE built to withstand hurrican force winds, earthquakes AND impacts of a crashed plane.

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Joke post right? Becuase it takes maybe a total of 5 brain cells to reason your way though your arguments. In case it's not... [QUOTE="Gator08"]

debunk this..

no steel skyscraper in the history of the earth has ever collapsed due to fire before 911 Good thing no one ever said it collapsed from a fire, it collapsed because 250 ton objects flying at 500 mph had enough kinetic energy to destroy much of the support structure in the area effected by the crash.

want to tell my how it pancaked perfectly when only the top was hit? what weakened all of the other columns?

why did the building fall straight down, leaving a column of smoke? This has ONLY ever been seen in demolitions and EVEN DEMOLITIONS sometimes make building collapse sideways!Demolitions start from the ground floor and work their way up. And it wasn't just smoke left behind, most of it was just dust.

Its called a top to bottom demolition, google it genius. here i will even do this for you http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhPzpdSSSqI

use you head! if you have a giant steel building that was built to withstand earthquakes and EVEN planes and a plane hits in at the very top, what makes it pancake? what gives the top part enough momentum to collapse through STEEL?The WTC probably wasn't designed to withstand earthquakes, and a plane crashing though it, and an earthquake are very different things. Obviously a plane would do more immediate damage.

YES, it was built to withstand earthquakes and the impact of a plane, this isnt debateable because its a fact, this has been known since before 911 even happened.

Also, since when can aluminum pierce steel? and dont saying "it can when its going 500mph" because it cant, that would just squish the aluminum faster.. FFS a bullet couldnt pierce solid steel and you think 500 mph aluminum can!? and you say we are the gullible ones.Since when was the WTC solid steel? Your argument would hold weight if the towers were ust giant blocks of steel. Obviously they were not.

the columns are solid steel and to think that aluminum, no matter how much kenetic eneergy could pierce them is just silly. I will say that the fire weakened the columns but that still doesnt account for the entire beuilding pancaking like that.

oh its the fire right? the fuel caught fire and magically maneuvered down elevator shafts and "melted" the STEEL right?No one ever said the steel melted. But it certainyl did get hot enough from combusting jet fuel that it lost most of its structural strength.

the fact of the matter is, if "terrorists" flew REAL "planes" into the towers than you would have nothing but a flattened plane falling to the ground and most of the "magic fuel" would have burned off in the initial explosion lawl "lawl" indeed

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Hmmmm..........

911 is obviously a fake, but that is not so important.

What is important however, is who's side are you on:

The people or the corporate elite?

Personally I know 9/11 was fake and I'm not even going to argue with people on this. Loose Changeand 9/11 mysteties do a perfect job of illuminating the problems with the current theory and if you choose to believe what news or popular mechanics tell you, then it's your problem.

A great life with money and a nice house but also filled with sin OR a life filled with poverty and hunger and no sin?

You decide. Or just ignore the problem. World War 3 and FEMA camps are coming for you anyways = )

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I lol'ed. You must not know that Loose Change failed...HARD. So far it seems many of these conspiracy theories have been effectively debunked, leaving you conspiracy theorists with nothing...

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George Bush did it for the oil and the women.quiglythegreat
The american dream!
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There is no conspriracy, you don't have to listen to everything Rosie O Donnel saysFuzzman38

Good argument. Attempt to discredit he messenger by associating him with someone is publicly despised.

I heart science...

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1. It collapsed the way it did because of how the towers were built. The oustide walls of the towers were, unlike most structures, not what supported the innards of the building. Instead it was the core column containing the elevator shafts and stairs. Which just goes to show why it would be so easy for a plane to go right through the facade. From the core column you had trusses that went out to support the floors. Where the planes hit, they were essentially destroyed.All of the debris then just piled on the floors remaining, stressing them a great deal; well beyond thier design limit (obviously they weren't designed to hold an entire plane, let alone roughly 5 floors worth of debris). After the steel had weakened enough, above the impact due to the fire, and began to collapse, you had floor after floor failing and falling down on top of one another. Its not hard to imagine that even after a few floors that enough kinetic energy is being exerted on lower floors that you're not going to have floors support all of that force. 2. Top to bottom demolition doesn't make much sense either since you had the whole mass above the impact zone collapse all at once, and nothing fell below that until the top part fell on to it. My last point also addresses how this can easily be explained without controlled demolition. 3. The building may or may not have been designed to withstand an earthquake, but either way an airplane impact is obviously much more devastating. And I'm not sure how a building, designed in the 60s even with airplane impacts in mind, could be made to withstand something like a jet liner crashing into it.

4. The only solid steel columns of any significant size were in the center of the building not on the outside. You are the one being lied to.
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[QUOTE="ProudLarry"]Joke post right? Becuase it takes maybe a total of 5 brain cells to reason your way though your arguments. In case it's not... [QUOTE="Gator08"]

debunk this..

no steel skyscraper in the history of the earth has ever collapsed due to fire before 911 Good thing no one ever said it collapsed from a fire, it collapsed because 250 ton objects flying at 500 mph had enough kinetic energy to destroy much of the support structure in the area effected by the crash.

want to tell my how it pancaked perfectly when only the top was hit? what weakened all of the other columns?Gator08

perhapes the thousands of tons of steel and concrete coming down?

why did the building fall straight down, leaving a column of smoke? This has ONLY ever been seen in demolitions and EVEN DEMOLITIONS sometimes make building collapse sideways!Demolitions start from the ground floor and work their way up. And it wasn't just smoke left behind, most of it was just dust.

Its called a top to bottom demolition, google it genius. here i will even do this for you http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhPzpdSSSqI

not quite a skyscraper

[QUOTE="Gator08"]use you head! if you have a giant steel building that was built to withstand earthquakes and EVEN planes and a plane hits in at the very top, what makes it pancake? what gives the top part enough momentum to collapse through STEEL?The WTC probably wasn't designed to withstand earthquakes, and a plane crashing though it, and an earthquake are very different things. Obviously a plane would do more immediate damage.

YES, it was built to withstand earthquakes and the impact of a plane, this isnt debateable because its a fact, this has been known since before 911 even happened.Gator08

no, new york is not an earthquake zone, hence it was not built to withstand earthquakes, unless you can provide me with a soruce. second, i've already stated that in the 1970's, planes carried less fuel, and if one struck the towers, it would most likely be because a plane was lost in the fog, not necessarily a terrorist attack

Also, since when can aluminum pierce steel? and dont saying "it can when its going 500mph" because it cant, that would just squish the aluminum faster.. FFS a bullet couldnt pierce solid steel and you think 500 mph aluminum can!? and you say we are the gullible ones.Since when was the WTC solid steel? Your argument would hold weight if the towers were ust giant blocks of steel. Obviously they were not.

the columns are solid steel and to think that aluminum, no matter how much kenetic eneergy could pierce them is just silly. I will say that the fire weakened the columns but that still doesnt account for the entire beuilding pancaking like that.Gator08

to say that a 50 ton jet flying into the WTC woulden't break the steel columns is quite frankly one of the stupidest things I've ever heard in my entire life

oh its the fire right? the fuel caught fire and magically maneuvered down elevator shafts and "melted" the STEEL right?No one ever said the steel melted. But it certainyl did get hot enough from combusting jet fuel that it lost most of its structural strength.

the fact of the matter is, if "terrorists" flew REAL "planes" into the towers than you would have nothing but a flattened plane falling to the ground and most of the "magic fuel" would have burned off in the initial explosion lawl "lawl" indeed

Gator08
the plane fuel would be stuck to the columns and everything else inside the buildings
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George Bush did it for the oil and the women.quiglythegreat

LMAO!!!!

You made my day. Thank you!! :D

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1. It collapsed the way it did because of how the towers were built. The oustide walls of the towers were, unlike most structures, not what supported the innards of the building. Instead it was the core column containing the elevator shafts and stairs. Which just goes to show why it would be so easy for a plane to go right through the facade. From the core column you had trusses that went out to support the floors. Where the planes hit, they were essentially destroyed.All of the debris then just piled on the floors remaining, stressing them a great deal; well beyond thier design limit (obviously they weren't designed to hold an entire plane, let alone roughly 5 floors worth of debris). After the steel had weakened enough, above the impact due to the fire, and began to collapse, you had floor after floor failing and falling down on top of one another. Its not hard to imagine that even after a few floors that enough kinetic energy is being exerted on lower floors that you're not going to have floors support all of that force.

2. Top to bottom demolition doesn't make much sense either since you had the whole mass above the impact zone collapse all at once, and nothing fell below that until the top part fell on to it. My last point also addresses how this can easily be explained without controlled demolition.

I never argue with the top falling, I think that if a plane hit it than the top could very well topple over but the whole building falling is a joke. and also, once the floors all fell, you would expect to see some outstanding steel columns but no. AND if the steel was only weakened then why was some of the wreckage literally molten steel?

3. The building may or may not have been designed to withstand an earthquake, but either way an airplane impact is obviously much more devastating. And I'm not sure how a building, designed in the 60s even with airplane impacts in mind, could be made to withstand something like a jet liner crashing into it.

you know that there were airplanes in the 60s right? ones that could go over 500mph... I fail to see where you were going with that.


4. The only solid steel columns of any significant size were in the center of the building not on the outside. You are the one being lied to.

the outside of each tower was covered by a frame of 14-inch-wide steel columns and the core was 47 steel columns all of which were cased in concrete, to think that fire could weaken them all enough for every floor to collapse is laughable. You are being lied to.

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1. It collapsed the way it did because of how the towers were built. The oustide walls of the towers were, unlike most structures, not what supported the innards of the building. Instead it was the core column containing the elevator shafts and stairs. Which just goes to show why it would be so easy for a plane to go right through the facade. From the core column you had trusses that went out to support the floors. Where the planes hit, they were essentially destroyed.All of the debris then just piled on the floors remaining, stressing them a great deal; well beyond thier design limit (obviously they weren't designed to hold an entire plane, let alone roughly 5 floors worth of debris). After the steel had weakened enough, above the impact due to the fire, and began to collapse, you had floor after floor failing and falling down on top of one another. Its not hard to imagine that even after a few floors that enough kinetic energy is being exerted on lower floors that you're not going to have floors support all of that force.

2. Top to bottom demolition doesn't make much sense either since you had the whole mass above the impact zone collapse all at once, and nothing fell below that until the top part fell on to it. My last point also addresses how this can easily be explained without controlled demolition.

I never argue with the top falling, I think that if a plane hit it than the top could very well topple over but the whole building falling is a joke. and also, once the floors all fell, you would expect to see some outstanding steel columns but no. AND if the steel was only weakened then why was some of the wreckage literally molten steel?Gator08

the wreckage was molten steel because the falling building created lots of friction, which was enough energy to melt steel. second, adding sulphur can lower the melting point of steel. third, the molten steel was molten aluminum

3. The building may or may not have been designed to withstand an earthquake, but either way an airplane impact is obviously much more devastating. And I'm not sure how a building, designed in the 60s even with airplane impacts in mind, could be made to withstand something like a jet liner crashing into it.

you know that there were airplanes in the 60s right? ones that could go over 500mph... I fail to see where you were going with that.Gator08

the towers were built to withstand accidental collision, not a terrorist attack, and not one from modern commericial airliners which carry much more fuel


4. The only solid steel columns of any significant size were in the center of the building not on the outside. You are the one being lied to.

the outside of each tower was covered by a frame of 14-inch-wide steel columns and the core was 47 steel columns all of which were cased in concrete, to think that fire could weaken them all enough for every floor to collapse is laughable. You are being lied to.

Gator08

the thin layer of concrete and fireproofing was blown off in the crash

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[QUOTE="Gator08"]

1. It collapsed the way it did because of how the towers were built. The oustide walls of the towers were, unlike most structures, not what supported the innards of the building. Instead it was the core column containing the elevator shafts and stairs. Which just goes to show why it would be so easy for a plane to go right through the facade. From the core column you had trusses that went out to support the floors. Where the planes hit, they were essentially destroyed.All of the debris then just piled on the floors remaining, stressing them a great deal; well beyond thier design limit (obviously they weren't designed to hold an entire plane, let alone roughly 5 floors worth of debris). After the steel had weakened enough, above the impact due to the fire, and began to collapse, you had floor after floor failing and falling down on top of one another. Its not hard to imagine that even after a few floors that enough kinetic energy is being exerted on lower floors that you're not going to have floors support all of that force.

2. Top to bottom demolition doesn't make much sense either since you had the whole mass above the impact zone collapse all at once, and nothing fell below that until the top part fell on to it. My last point also addresses how this can easily be explained without controlled demolition.

I never argue with the top falling, I think that if a plane hit it than the top could very well topple over but the whole building falling is a joke. and also, once the floors all fell, you would expect to see some outstanding steel columns but no. AND if the steel was only weakened then why was some of the wreckage literally molten steel?notconspiracy

the wreckage was molten steel because the falling building created lots of friction, which was enough energy to melt steel. second, adding sulphur can lower the melting point of steel. third, the molten steel was molten aluminum

Friction from the falling building could never cause steel to melt, perhaps friction welding but that it at much higher speeds.

3. The building may or may not have been designed to withstand an earthquake, but either way an airplane impact is obviously much more devastating. And I'm not sure how a building, designed in the 60s even with airplane impacts in mind, could be made to withstand something like a jet liner crashing into it.

you know that there were airplanes in the 60s right? ones that could go over 500mph... I fail to see where you were going with that.Gator08

the towers were built to withstand accidental collision, not a terrorist attack, and not one from modern commericial airliners which carry much more fuel

built to withstand airplane collisions, combined with the fact that NO skyscraper has ever fallen from a fire makes me think that the fuel alone couldnt bring down a building.


4. The only solid steel columns of any significant size were in the center of the building not on the outside. You are the one being lied to.

the outside of each tower was covered by a frame of 14-inch-wide steel columns and the core was 47 steel columns all of which were cased in concrete, to think that fire could weaken them all enough for every floor to collapse is laughable. You are being lied to.

Gator08

the thin layer of concrete and fireproofing was blown off in the crash

youve gotta love that compelling arguement... uh uh it was blown off in the crash! Alright, lets say you are right, 100% about EVERYTHING, the plane was made of extre strength alien aluminum with jetfuel that satan provided and it melted the building and the building magically collapsed straight down into its own shadow.

now....

Tell me how this happened to the pentagon..

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[QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="Gator08"]

1. It collapsed the way it did because of how the towers were built. The oustide walls of the towers were, unlike most structures, not what supported the innards of the building. Instead it was the core column containing the elevator shafts and stairs. Which just goes to show why it would be so easy for a plane to go right through the facade. From the core column you had trusses that went out to support the floors. Where the planes hit, they were essentially destroyed.All of the debris then just piled on the floors remaining, stressing them a great deal; well beyond thier design limit (obviously they weren't designed to hold an entire plane, let alone roughly 5 floors worth of debris). After the steel had weakened enough, above the impact due to the fire, and began to collapse, you had floor after floor failing and falling down on top of one another. Its not hard to imagine that even after a few floors that enough kinetic energy is being exerted on lower floors that you're not going to have floors support all of that force.

2. Top to bottom demolition doesn't make much sense either since you had the whole mass above the impact zone collapse all at once, and nothing fell below that until the top part fell on to it. My last point also addresses how this can easily be explained without controlled demolition.

I never argue with the top falling, I think that if a plane hit it than the top could very well topple over but the whole building falling is a joke. and also, once the floors all fell, you would expect to see some outstanding steel columns but no. AND if the steel was only weakened then why was some of the wreckage literally molten steel?Gator08

the wreckage was molten steel because the falling building created lots of friction, which was enough energy to melt steel. second, adding sulphur can lower the melting point of steel. third, the molten steel was molten aluminum

Friction from the falling building could never cause steel to melt, perhaps friction welding but that it at much higher speeds.

3. The building may or may not have been designed to withstand an earthquake, but either way an airplane impact is obviously much more devastating. And I'm not sure how a building, designed in the 60s even with airplane impacts in mind, could be made to withstand something like a jet liner crashing into it.

you know that there were airplanes in the 60s right? ones that could go over 500mph... I fail to see where you were going with that.Gator08

the towers were built to withstand accidental collision, not a terrorist attack, and not one from modern commericial airliners which carry much more fuel

built to withstand airplane collisions, combined with the fact that NO skyscraper has ever fallen from a fire makes me think that the fuel alone couldnt bring down a building.


4. The only solid steel columns of any significant size were in the center of the building not on the outside. You are the one being lied to.

the outside of each tower was covered by a frame of 14-inch-wide steel columns and the core was 47 steel columns all of which were cased in concrete, to think that fire could weaken them all enough for every floor to collapse is laughable. You are being lied to.

Gator08

the thin layer of concrete and fireproofing was blown off in the crash

youve gotta love that compelling arguement... uh uh it was blown off in the crash! Alright, lets say you are right, 100% about EVERYTHING, the plane was made of extre strength alien aluminum with jetfuel that satan provided and it melted the building and the building magically collapsed straight down into its own shadow.

now....

Tell me how this happened to the pentagon..

Not that I disagree but I believe that is the inside wall of the Pentagon.

Would anyone question parking their car directly outside the Pentagon? I think the automated defense systems would have made it clear...

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[QUOTE="Gator08"]

1. It collapsed the way it did because of how the towers were built. The oustide walls of the towers were, unlike most structures, not what supported the innards of the building. Instead it was the core column containing the elevator shafts and stairs. Which just goes to show why it would be so easy for a plane to go right through the facade. From the core column you had trusses that went out to support the floors. Where the planes hit, they were essentially destroyed.All of the debris then just piled on the floors remaining, stressing them a great deal; well beyond thier design limit (obviously they weren't designed to hold an entire plane, let alone roughly 5 floors worth of debris). After the steel had weakened enough, above the impact due to the fire, and began to collapse, you had floor after floor failing and falling down on top of one another. Its not hard to imagine that even after a few floors that enough kinetic energy is being exerted on lower floors that you're not going to have floors support all of that force.

2. Top to bottom demolition doesn't make much sense either since you had the whole mass above the impact zone collapse all at once, and nothing fell below that until the top part fell on to it. My last point also addresses how this can easily be explained without controlled demolition.

I never argue with the top falling, I think that if a plane hit it than the top could very well topple over but the whole building falling is a joke. and also, once the floors all fell, you would expect to see some outstanding steel columns but no. AND if the steel was only weakened then why was some of the wreckage literally molten steel?notconspiracy

the wreckage was molten steel because the falling building created lots of friction, which was enough energy to melt steel. second, adding sulphur can lower the melting point of steel. third, the molten steel was molten aluminum

Friction from the falling building could never cause steel to melt, perhaps friction welding but that it at much higher speeds.


again, it wasn't molten steel. it was molten aluminum. jet fuel can burn hot enough to melt aluminum

3. The building may or may not have been designed to withstand an earthquake, but either way an airplane impact is obviously much more devastating. And I'm not sure how a building, designed in the 60s even with airplane impacts in mind, could be made to withstand something like a jet liner crashing into it.

you know that there were airplanes in the 60s right? ones that could go over 500mph... I fail to see where you were going with that.Gator08

the towers were built to withstand accidental collision, not a terrorist attack, and not one from modern commericial airliners which carry much more fuel

built to withstand airplane collisions, combined with the fact that NO skyscraper has ever fallen from a fire makes me think that the fuel alone couldnt bring down a building. Gator08

the fuel alone did NOT bring down the building. the structure was severly weakened from the 50 ton plane hitting it at 500 MPH. the designers had no intention of building a structure that would withstand terrorists using commercial jets as missiles. tell me, how many times before 9/11 were planes used as missiles and flown into skyscrapers?


4. The only solid steel columns of any significant size were in the center of the building not on the outside. You are the one being lied to.

the outside of each tower was covered by a frame of 14-inch-wide steel columns and the core was 47 steel columns all of which were cased in concrete, to think that fire could weaken them all enough for every floor to collapse is laughable. You are being lied to.

Gator08

the thin layer of concrete and fireproofing was blown off in the crash

youve gotta love that compelling arguement... uh uh it was blown off in the crash! Alright, lets say you are right, 100% about EVERYTHING, the plane was made of extre strength alien aluminum with jetfuel that satan provided and it melted the building and the building magically collapsed straight down into its own shadow.

now....

appeal to ridicule. Im not aware of any concrete being around the central steel columns, unless you can provide me with a source. what I do know is that the fireproofing material was blown off by the crashing jet.

Tell me how this happened to the pentagon..

Gator08
That hole was made by the plane's landing gear, which is the strongest part of the plane
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gator8, learn to use the quote system. im really tired of having to edit out the colors
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[QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="Gator08"]

1. It collapsed the way it did because of how the towers were built. The oustide walls of the towers were, unlike most structures, not what supported the innards of the building. Instead it was the core column containing the elevator shafts and stairs. Which just goes to show why it would be so easy for a plane to go right through the facade. From the core column you had trusses that went out to support the floors. Where the planes hit, they were essentially destroyed.All of the debris then just piled on the floors remaining, stressing them a great deal; well beyond thier design limit (obviously they weren't designed to hold an entire plane, let alone roughly 5 floors worth of debris). After the steel had weakened enough, above the impact due to the fire, and began to collapse, you had floor after floor failing and falling down on top of one another. Its not hard to imagine that even after a few floors that enough kinetic energy is being exerted on lower floors that you're not going to have floors support all of that force.

2. Top to bottom demolition doesn't make much sense either since you had the whole mass above the impact zone collapse all at once, and nothing fell below that until the top part fell on to it. My last point also addresses how this can easily be explained without controlled demolition.

I never argue with the top falling, I think that if a plane hit it than the top could very well topple over but the whole building falling is a joke. and also, once the floors all fell, you would expect to see some outstanding steel columns but no. AND if the steel was only weakened then why was some of the wreckage literally molten steel?notconspiracy

the wreckage was molten steel because the falling building created lots of friction, which was enough energy to melt steel. second, adding sulphur can lower the melting point of steel. third, the molten steel was molten aluminum

Friction from the falling building could never cause steel to melt, perhaps friction welding but that it at much higher speeds.


again, it wasn't molten steel. it was molten aluminum. jet fuel can burn hot enough to melt aluminum

3. The building may or may not have been designed to withstand an earthquake, but either way an airplane impact is obviously much more devastating. And I'm not sure how a building, designed in the 60s even with airplane impacts in mind, could be made to withstand something like a jet liner crashing into it.

you know that there were airplanes in the 60s right? ones that could go over 500mph... I fail to see where you were going with that.Gator08

the towers were built to withstand accidental collision, not a terrorist attack, and not one from modern commericial airliners which carry much more fuel

built to withstand airplane collisions, combined with the fact that NO skyscraper has ever fallen from a fire makes me think that the fuel alone couldnt bring down a building. Gator08

the fuel alone did NOT bring down the building. the structure was severly weakened from the 50 ton plane hitting it at 500 MPH. the designers had no intention of building a structure that would withstand terrorists using commercial jets as missiles. tell me, how many times before 9/11 were planes used as missiles and flown into skyscrapers?


4. The only solid steel columns of any significant size were in the center of the building not on the outside. You are the one being lied to.

the outside of each tower was covered by a frame of 14-inch-wide steel columns and the core was 47 steel columns all of which were cased in concrete, to think that fire could weaken them all enough for every floor to collapse is laughable. You are being lied to.

Gator08

the thin layer of concrete and fireproofing was blown off in the crash

youve gotta love that compelling arguement... uh uh it was blown off in the crash! Alright, lets say you are right, 100% about EVERYTHING, the plane was made of extre strength alien aluminum with jetfuel that satan provided and it melted the building and the building magically collapsed straight down into its own shadow.

now....

appeal to ridicule. Im not aware of any concrete being around the central steel columns, unless you can provide me with a source. what I do know is that the fireproofing material was blown off by the crashing jet.

Tell me how this happened to the pentagon..

Gator08

That hole was made by the plane's landing gear, which is the strongest part of the plane

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[QUOTE="Truth_Seekr"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="Truth_Seekr"]

In Nov 2000 Saddam would sell oil in Euros instead of dollars. US was forced to buy in Euros. Iraq sold 3.3 billion barrels of oil, US bought 2 thirds of that. Petro dollar mechanism was breaking down & US had to get Euros to buy Oil. Keeping oil priced exclusively in dollars was enough cause for waging war in Iraq after Iraq's bold switch to EURO oil payments.

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The Euro was the Weapon of Mass Destruction according to the Bush Administration. In any event, I suppose the reason for 9/11 was a mixture of everything from the currency in which it was sold to gaining and maintaining an even tighter stranglehold on the black gold and to pushing forth the agenda for the Project for the New American Century(PNAC).

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first off, the bush administration admitted that saddam had nothing to do with 9/11

second, the reason they were invaded was because everyone in the US government knew that saddam was the most dangerous dictator in the world. this is why in 1998, bill clinton signed a resolution for a plan for regime change in iraq

Switching to Euros was more than enough reason to wage war, especially if it meant that the US had to LOSE money to buy EUROs(stronger currency) to trade the black gold.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,998512,00.html

Ultimately, I'd say this is why Iraq was invaded.

ultimately, belief =/= truth.

hahaha! it's funny how you're saying belief=/=truth now because it's convenient. after remembering what you said about paul and some other disciple of Christ in the other religious thread, you know, "paul a skeptic, believed in the resurrection of Christ" and passed it on as an evidence/fact of the Resurrection, and then going to say that belief=/=truth now. dude, you've been destroying your own credibility for the past threads.

and so loose change might have been debunked. coming from a few college boys who made it i'm not at all surprised. but maybe you can try and debunk zeitgeist the movie. http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/ not saying it's actually evidence, im just asknig people to see it, then debunk whatever you can about it. then the debate begins.