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#51 Frame_Dragger
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[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"][QUOTE="cheese_game619"]

wat

Sorry... "none of US have the text of the conversation." Oh, and the 'beta' thing, hilarioius!

So? I think it's pretty clear how it went. He can't take a joke and he can't throw one back so he left. And what beta thing?

Right, you THINK it's pretty clear how it went, but that's all... you have no real idea. As for the "beta thing", I assumed you were joking about being beta... I guess not. @Spinnerweb: You know what, don't take any advice here, you'll be better off. Except for that advice. And that. And that.... errrr...
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Right, you THINK it's pretty clear how it went, but that's all... you have no real idea. As for the "beta thing", I assumed you were joking about being beta... I guess not. @Spinnerweb: You know what, don't take any advice here, you'll be better off. Except for that advice. And that. And that.... errrr...Frame_Dragger

Oh I'm sorry, maybe you didn't see this:

So, yesterday in a chatroom I was constantly at the receving end of the great number of jokes my friend was making. I left because it got annoying. When she PMed me asking me why I left, I told her I was annoyed at her because of being repeatedly at the receiving end of the jokes.She took it more seriously than I thought, and said she wouldn't do it again. I told her it was fine as long as she didn't go overboard. She left then.

So, today I told her I was sorry if my message was too harsh and she said she'd been really worried by that and it made her cry. (That was a bit of a surprise.) I told her it was OK if she made a joke about me once in a while but not all the time. She insisted that she wouldn't ever do it again and, seeing that we are both humorous, it was very disappointing. I talked in chat to her, but our conversation was strained. She'd give three-word replies or none at all. I didn't think one message of mine would go this far. How can I be friends again?

Spinnerweb

I have a very real idea. Beta means not alpha. I'm not beta. This guy is beta. Because he has no comebacks and leaves the conversation when a girl teases him. That is the definition of beta. Someone alpha wouldn't be teased in the first place, or if it was just playful teasing (which this situation was) they would tease back. I'm not trying to make the guy feel bad, I'm giving him valuable information. Man up = this won't happen again. Simple.

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#53 Ilovegames1992
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If she was ripping the **** out of you then you know what you do? Rip the **** out of her. Simples.

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Tsk tsk bad form :(

How is it? If its all in fun then there's no harm done.

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#54 Frame_Dragger
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[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"]Right, you THINK it's pretty clear how it went, but that's all... you have no real idea. As for the "beta thing", I assumed you were joking about being beta... I guess not. @Spinnerweb: You know what, don't take any advice here, you'll be better off. Except for that advice. And that. And that.... errrr...cheese_game619

Oh I'm sorry, maybe you didn't see this:

[QUOTE="Spinnerweb"]So, yesterday in a chatroom I was constantly at the receving end of the great number of jokes my friend was making. I left because it got annoying. When she PMed me asking me why I left, I told her I was annoyed at her because of being repeatedly at the receiving end of the jokes.She took it more seriously than I thought, and said she wouldn't do it again. I told her it was fine as long as she didn't go overboard. She left then.

So, today I told her I was sorry if my message was too harsh and she said she'd been really worried by that and it made her cry. (That was a bit of a surprise.) I told her it was OK if she made a joke about me once in a while but not all the time. She insisted that she wouldn't ever do it again and, seeing that we are both humorous, it was very disappointing. I talked in chat to her, but our conversation was strained. She'd give three-word replies or none at all. I didn't think one message of mine would go this far. How can I be friends again?

I have a very real idea. Beta means not alpha. I'm not beta. This guy is beta. Because he has no comebacks and leaves the conversation when a girl teases him. That is the definition of beta. Someone alpha wouldn't be teased in the first place, or if it was just playful teasing (which this situation was) they would tease back. I'm not trying to make the guy feel bad, I'm giving him valuable information. Man up = this won't happen again. Simple.

I know what beta means... I'm just impressed by your use of pack dynamics as a guide to life. Now, I'm going to bow out, because I have about a dozen jokes I want to make, and none of them end well for me in terms of moderation.
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#55 cheese_game619
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[QUOTE="cheese_game619"]

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"]

Oh I'm sorry, maybe you didn't see this:

[QUOTE="Spinnerweb"]So, yesterday in a chatroom I was constantly at the receving end of the great number of jokes my friend was making. I left because it got annoying. When she PMed me asking me why I left, I told her I was annoyed at her because of being repeatedly at the receiving end of the jokes.She took it more seriously than I thought, and said she wouldn't do it again. I told her it was fine as long as she didn't go overboard. She left then.

So, today I told her I was sorry if my message was too harsh and she said she'd been really worried by that and it made her cry. (That was a bit of a surprise.) I told her it was OK if she made a joke about me once in a while but not all the time. She insisted that she wouldn't ever do it again and, seeing that we are both humorous, it was very disappointing. I talked in chat to her, but our conversation was strained. She'd give three-word replies or none at all. I didn't think one message of mine would go this far. How can I be friends again?

Frame_Dragger

I have a very real idea. Beta means not alpha. I'm not beta. This guy is beta. Because he has no comebacks and leaves the conversation when a girl teases him. That is the definition of beta. Someone alpha wouldn't be teased in the first place, or if it was just playful teasing (which this situation was) they would tease back. I'm not trying to make the guy feel bad, I'm giving him valuable information. Man up = this won't happen again. Simple.

I know what beta means... I'm just impressed by your use of pack dynamics as a guide to life. Now, I'm going to bow out, because I have about a dozen jokes I want to make, and none of them end well for me in terms of moderation.

Nah come on, you'll end up winning. I've been modded a few times recently so if we get into something here it will probably be my last argument... on this account anyway.

You probably think I want him to be a jerk. Being alpha isn't necessarily about being a jerk it's just standing up for yourself and in this situation he barely even has to do that. He just has to joke back and not be a sook.

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#56 Frame_Dragger
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[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

[QUOTE="Spinnerweb"]

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

If she was ripping the **** out of you then you know what you do? Rip the **** out of her. Simples.

Tsk tsk bad form :(

How is it? If its all in fun then there's no harm done.

It would have to be in fun for him... if he was angry/hurt and doing it, then that's going to come through. Personally I agree with you, but that's based on who I am. Spinnerweb seems to be on the more sensitive end of the spectrum, and as I'm not seeking to 'man him up', I'd say advice for him would likely involve accepting who he is at least for the duration of the thread. It's not exactly great advice to offer a wealth of hindsight anyway, which is what the majority of these later posts have become.
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#57 sandlot76
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give her time, maybe she just needs to get over it on her end...she hurt you and that hurt her in return...?

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#58 cheese_game619
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I'm not going to quote you anymore FD because GS is having a heart attack but we agree, which is sort of disappointing. Luckily we disagree on one thing which is he should definitely man up and being sensitive will get him nowhere.
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#59 Frame_Dragger
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[QUOTE="cheese_game619"]

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"][QUOTE="cheese_game619"]

I have a very real idea. Beta means not alpha. I'm not beta. This guy is beta. Because he has no comebacks and leaves the conversation when a girl teases him. That is the definition of beta. Someone alpha wouldn't be teased in the first place, or if it was just playful teasing (which this situation was) they would tease back. I'm not trying to make the guy feel bad, I'm giving him valuable information. Man up = this won't happen again. Simple.

I know what beta means... I'm just impressed by your use of pack dynamics as a guide to life. Now, I'm going to bow out, because I have about a dozen jokes I want to make, and none of them end well for me in terms of moderation.

Nah come on, you'll end up winning. I've been modded a few times recently so if we get into something here it will probably be my last argument... on this account anyway.

You probably think I want him to be a jerk. Being alpha isn't necessarily about being a jerk it's just standing up for yourself and in this situation he barely even has to do that. He just has to joke back and not be a sook.

I was just suspended, so the "best" outcome is we BOTH get modded, and I'm not looking for that either, so I'm not going to crack the jokes. I will say that I do NOT think that you telling him to be alpha is the same as telling him to be a jerk. Being alpha is being the dominant member in a group (generally pack/herd) dynamic. I think there are better ways of viewing social interaction among humans than simply through the lens of such dynamics, but that doesn't mean I think your advice is for him to be an ass. One thing to remember is that the system of alpha-beta-omega is predicated on constant challenges to alpha status, which ultimately lead to fights over dominance. I personally prefer the concept of mastery to dominance, which may seem like an academic distinction, but an important one I think.
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#60 Frame_Dragger
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I'm not going to quote you anymore FD because GS is having a heart attack but we agree, which is sort of disappointing. Luckily we disagree on one thing which is he should definitely man up and being sensitive will get him nowhere.cheese_game619
I agree that ideally he would not have been offended in the first place and could have offered playful reparte in return, but I disagree that we should expect him to fundamentally change at this point when he strikes me as a more sensitive guy.
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#61 cheese_game619
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A suspension ay? I haven't had a suspension in years. You badass, you. Anyway, like I said, he barely has to be alpha... he just has to be less beta.
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#62 Ilovegames1992
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[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

[QUOTE="Spinnerweb"]

Tsk tsk bad form :(

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How is it? If its all in fun then there's no harm done.

It would have to be in fun for him... if he was angry/hurt and doing it, then that's going to come through. Personally I agree with you, but that's based on who I am. Spinnerweb seems to be on the more sensitive end of the spectrum, and as I'm not seeking to 'man him up', I'd say advice for him would likely involve accepting who he is at least for the duration of the thread. It's not exactly great advice to offer a wealth of hindsight anyway, which is what the majority of these later posts have become.

I'm sensitive, quite sensitive. But i know when to have a bit of fun and when teasing is just teasing its ok. It's not "manning up" or being an ass as i hate both those things but i mean c'mon it just sounded like banter to me.

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#63 Spinnerweb
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The problem about me 'being beta' and not 'manning up' is that once when I teased back she got all offended and later said, as I already said, that it made her noticed and people will be wankers to her. So I usually tread around her carefully.

Also, mentioning her in a forum today (not about our arguement, just general mentionin) resulted in this.

*Drum Roll*

Why are u dragging me into things I arent a part of ? You just set me up againThink I really have had enough of this forum, its just never going to stop is itWhat did I do to deserve that? (this part was linked to my forum post)

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#64 cheese_game619
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So you told her about posting this..? I never said she wasn't a crazy b****, I was just addressing the problem I could. You were here, I could address you. I didn't know she was here :lol: Bad move, Romeo.
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#65 Spinnerweb
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So you told her about posting this..? I never said she wasn't a crazy b****, I was just addressing the problem I could. You were here, I could address you. I didn't know she was here :lol: Bad move, Romeo.cheese_game619

A FORUM. Not THIS FORUM. Of course not.

It's dinknetwork.com/forum.cgi and if you're interested, my post about her was:

and this another version of (her username)'s post?

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#66 cheese_game619
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The question was asked earlier, how old are you two? As pathetic as this is it's good for a laugh so I'm interested.
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#67 Spinnerweb
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The question was asked earlier, how old are you two? As pathetic as this is it's good for a laugh so I'm interested.cheese_game619

That's mean.

97.

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[QUOTE="cheese_game619"]The question was asked earlier, how old are you two? As pathetic as this is it's good for a laugh so I'm interested.Spinnerweb

That's mean.

97.

You're 97 year old gamer!!
Hardcore bro!

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#69 Spinnerweb
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[QUOTE="Spinnerweb"]

[QUOTE="cheese_game619"]The question was asked earlier, how old are you two? As pathetic as this is it's good for a laugh so I'm interested.Ilovegames1992

That's mean.

97.

You're 97 year old gamer!!
Hardcore bro!

Yes, yes I am! Glad you noticed.

Patched things up with her ... FINALLY! Geesh. :D

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[QUOTE="cheese_game619"]The question was asked earlier, how old are you two? As pathetic as this is it's good for a laugh so I'm interested.Spinnerweb

That's mean.

97.

Maybe a little bit but it's relevant.

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#71 Frame_Dragger
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[QUOTE="Spinnerweb"]

[QUOTE="cheese_game619"]The question was asked earlier, how old are you two? As pathetic as this is it's good for a laugh so I'm interested.Ilovegames1992

That's mean.

97.

You're 97 year old gamer!!
Hardcore bro!

The way I see it, since you'd always be poop socking into your Depends, you could have some real advantage. On the other hand, encroaching dementia and medication breaks would be an issue, along with crippling osteoarthritis. :P

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[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

[QUOTE="Spinnerweb"]

That's mean.

97.

Frame_Dragger

You're 97 year old gamer!!
Hardcore bro!

The way I see it, since you'd always be poop socking into your Depends, you could have some real advantage. On the other hand, encroaching dementia and medication breaks would be an issue, along with crippling osteoarthritis. :P

Pfft :P I'm still young enough, given that I'm a vampire.

But ... not the Cullen type.

Dracula type.

Dracula - Bram Stoker. Great Book.

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So, yesterday in a chatroom I was constantly at the receving end of the great number of jokes my friend was making. I left because it got annoying. When she PMed me asking me why I left, I told her I was annoyed at her because of being repeatedly at the receiving end of the jokes.

She took it more seriously than I thought, and said she wouldn't do it again. I told her it was fine as long as she didn't go overboard. She left then.

So, today I told her I was sorry if my message was too harsh and she said she'd been really worried by that and it made her cry. (That was a bit of a surprise.) I told her it was OK if she made a joke about me once in a while but not all the time. She insisted that she wouldn't ever do it again and, seeing that we are both humorous, it was very disappointing.

I talked in chat to her, but our conversation was strained. She'd give three-word replies or none at all. I didn't think one message of mine would go this far. How can I be friends again?

Spinnerweb
Just chill for a bit. Its too recent and shes just feeling self-guilty, embarrassed and awkward with you, not to mention afraid to further offend you. Let a few days or a week or two and just one day approach/talk to her again while pretending in your mind the incident never happened (ie be your humorous self again). She'll feel a lot more comfortable. Things will go back to normal but she will keep in mind to respect your feelings as well. Friends argue all the time, thats how you learn to appreciate each other and realise which you still rather keep as friends regardless of arguments and which you rather not meet ever again, Friends without conflicts are simply acquaintances.
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#74 Gaming-Planet
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She feels you bro.