A few things I have learned by reading the Quran

And christians.

Christians aren't going bombing people and declaring jihad on everyone not a Muslim.

Muslims threaten the very fabric of modern civilization. Christians, while generally conservative on some issues, are much, much more progressive.

they had their centuries of absolute authority and violence of the worst possible kinds. They got dragged kicking and screaming into the modern age, and still have further to go...christian immorality is now done indirectly instead of direct violence.. Islam hasn't reached that point yet.

As did Islam with their last caliphate(the Ottoman Empire).Islam will probably never reach that point because it has the absolute best conditions to flourish: Ignorance, illiteracy, and severe oppression.

We don't live hundreds of years ago, and Israel is allowed to defend itself.

Butchering 1000 of people in the name of self defense? this is what ariel sharon did.

and how many muslims bombarding?? dude there are 1.2 billion muslims terrorists are in minority. Lot of nation has involved in some type of terrorism.

WW2, cold war, vietnam war, etc or most recent ukraine/russia crisis.

Religion relies way too much on interpretation
So no matter how peaceful the text may seem to you
There's an equal amount that use it as justification for all manner of horrific things

No the whole point was power. Anyway as I said that was a long long time ago. It's not an excuse for today. Second...the Muslims did take over a city...Jerusalem...that wasn't theirs. Don't be such a hypocrite all the time. But if you want to pretend it was over religion then we know who started the war.

Islam is such a terrible religion. They constantly talk about how it's the minority, but after constantly seeing violent Muslim protests in Europe and the rest of the world, it makes you question that statement. It has no place in modern world and needs to be destroyed.

This.

It's about as stupid as saying all Americans are school shooting gun nuts or all Jews are greedy businessmen. Or, video games should be banned because its violence would corrupt a generation of children.

It's not a religion of violence in the sense that Mohammed was trying to murder as much people as possible.

What it is, is a religion of imperialism. That;s what separates it from Judaism (which couldn't care less about converting others) and Christianity (which still cares less than Islam about its propagation).

And of course, when imperialist deeds often require violence.

You clearly haven't read the Protocols of the Elders of Zion then, friend. Islam is the only anti-imperialist movement in the world and is fighting against the Zionist-controlled American quest for global domination.

Open your eyes, unbeliever! Lest ye wish to become a subservient gentile.

A book written by humans for the purpose of control. It sounds so vaguely similar to another book of stories written by men to control people...

ill read it after I watch RT and PressTV, the only anti-imperialist news channels

@LJS9502_basic: I think you have to be the only person claiming that the Crusades were not a holy war

Personally, I agree with him taking the more nuanced and complex position that looks behind the veil of religiosity put on the crusades to try to inspire enthusiasm.

But taking that position would force you to hold true that almost every violent thing muslim groups or states have ever done was not about religion but about politics. Somehow, I doubt he would acknowledge that.

you can feel the cognitive dissonance oozing

in who?

@MakeMeaSammitch: He still claimed Christians or jews don't do violence... Which is total bs and Israel is invading not defending. Two very different things

LJ

@RadecSupreme:

So you are saying 1.2 billion people are violent? Have you ever interacted with Muslims before? And please don't say you knew one or two. I mean you actually been around Muslims enough to know how they are?

Don't believe everything you see in the media. The media can make a 20 person protect look like 200 people.

I think you need to read more.

Considering I stated less than 10% of wars are the result of religion I would imagine Islam as being a religion would fit in there now wouldn't it? Or are you just feeling put upon?

you don't really understand how logic works...

explain to me what makes the crusades any less religious than al qaeda.

Basically, you're fine with inserting muslim violence in the "10 %" but not christian violence of days of old.

Uh it's you that doesn't understand logic. I'm talking about in total. IE all wars fought throughout history so I don't know what you are on about.

Except the bible isn't advocating for a caliphate. The Qur'an is.

The Crusades was a holy war, just open a damn book or look on the internet. Christians and Jews have waged war. So saying Crusades isn't a war based on religion is folly

Such simplicity in your thinking. Again the Crusades were land and power. Land was taken. There were two capitals for the Christian religion. The Byzantine seat was under siege from Muslims. The Roman Pope however saw this as the perfect time to get sole control...ie power...so instead of helping the Byzantines as they asked, he developed the Crusades for the Holy Land. Yes he dressed it up for the people....can't tell them the truth....who would fight for that? And sent them on their way. But it was never ever over religious ideology. Crack a book sometime.

@LJS9502_basic: As i said before, it's always about power and money. But the whole war was based on religion mate, check various historians as i have stated...

DEATH!!!!!

While that is true, the publicly stated reason was religious, so that is technically what the first Crusade was originally about and the following Crusades were a continuation of the battles years prior.

I read a little but every line ended with an exclamation point so I thought I was getting yelled at and I don't like getting yelled at so I stopped reading it.

That doesn't make it religious. They weren't fighting about ideology or really to spread said ideology. They fought over a piece of land with the intent to cement power. Nonetheless this does not change the fact that he is dead wrong about religion being the reason for war. It's a very very very small percentage.

@LJS9502_basic: Before continuing, I would like to know your meaning of the word "religious."

I would not compare Islams "problems" with Modern Christianitys 2014 edition

I don't know why you guys are talking about Christians in the same light as modern day jihadist. Yes there may have been bloody wars in the name of Christianity in the past, but the key phrase there is "in the past" plus they were WARS not coward terrorist atrocities.

To be fair, we humans are beings that like to pride ourselves on our intelligence and free-will. Would you honestly want a divine being forcefully imposing His will over your actions and thoughts on a daily basis? People always bring up that argument without addressing the implications. Do you remember how it was like having your parents look over your shoulder 24/7, correcting you, making you do things you don't want? If so, then imagine that on a grander scale. Think of it this way, you're agnostic atheist, but it's your choice not to believe. If God made an active appearance in your life you would have no choice of what to think or feel. And besides us being intelligent beings and being capable of compassion and altruism, aren't we supposed to care for our fellow man? Some of us don't have to be assholes to others, but we choose to be, and there's no excuse for that. We have nothing to blame but ourselves for our problems.

I grew up in a Christian household but i stopped believing in God when i was a teenager. My life isn't any different now than it was then, religion never had a huge impact in my life. I don't need a book to tell me not to be an asshole, but some people do and i get that.

If you lived in the Middle East you'd be murdered for apostasy. In some places, at least.

You would rather none of the horrors of Islam be brought out into the light of day.

Romans persecuted Christians for hundreds of years - stop with the BS about Christians being this driving force of hatred and violence. And if you knew anything about history of Christianity you would know that they changed with the times...there was no "kicking and screaming" into the modern age.

You've never been educated on the Middle Ages have you?

Have you?

Oh wait, don't answer that. I don't care to read any more scripture via your copy and paste method.

Every time this comes up in discussion, people always resort to the "middle age" argument, like that has any relevance to today's Christianity. Tell me of a time in the last 50 years where Christians resorted to "violence of the worst kind" against non-believers. And then compare your findings to those of Muslims and see what you get.

i lol'd

Ever heard of the Klu Klux Klan?

Also, since you referenced the closed thread. Let me help you educate yourself on your faith again.

Step 1. Take a look at those scriptures.

2. Study them with the topic of channeling the Holy Spirit and being vibrant about your faith in mind.

3. Make the Connection on they there are relevant and how you can apply those scriptures to your daily life

4. Become a better Christian.



That's called Bible Study son, something every true Christian should do on their own

If the KKK isn't good enough for you, since I'm sure you'll claim they're not actually Christian, you can look up on your own.

The National Liberation Front of Tripura

National Socialist Council of Nagaland

The Lord's Resistance Army,

Army of God

Concerned Christians, a Christian group from Israel

The KKK? LMAO! You're really comparing modern day Christianity to a bunch of redneck white supremacists?? That's your argument? Wow.

They're a terrorist group that bases their belief in Christianity.

Just like ISIS and Al Qaeda do with Islam.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/21/virginia-kkk-fliers_n_5008647.html

Educate yourself son