A great solution to prevent future shooting sprees in America

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#101 NEWMAHAY
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I don't think I would trust this world if everyone had a gun. You are assuming everyone has training. How about a better solution.... stop selling assault rifles and full automatics to civilians.
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#102 ShadowMoses900
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[QUOTE="jackfruitchips"]

I've just found a great solution: when going to work, theaters, restaurants or schools, everyone should carry a gun, so that if a shooter opened fire in a public place, he'd gunned down instantly.

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More guns is not the answer and this becomes obvious when looking at countries with tighter gun laws.


What countries? Switzerland has more guns and far looser gun laws than anyone else, and their crime rate is next to zero. Conversely look at places with tight gun laws, New York and California for instance where they make owing a gun next to impossible for conceal carry, but yet they have one of the highest crime rates in the world.

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#103 ShadowMoses900
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I don't think I would trust this world if everyone had a gun. You are assuming everyone has training. How about a better solution.... stop selling assault rifles and full automatics to civilians.NEWMAHAY

"assault" is a broad term, you are thinking of fully automatic weapons, which you cannot purchase legally in the first place unless you have the right license, which is impossible to get.

Assault is actually just cosmetic parts of a fire arm, for instance one of my handguns has has a darker metal finish than others so it is deemed an "assault" weapon, but it is not full auto or anything like that. It's just a regular hand gun.

A lot of people are misinformed when it comes to gun laws, people shouldn't debate them if they don't understand them to begin with.

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#104 MrGeezer
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......... This is as fvcking stupid as the fearmongering after 9/11.. The fact of the matter people is this.. Yes these are tragic, yes these are terrible events that impact numerous people.. But they are minscule in the grand scheme of things when it comes to the cost of human life in the US.. You statistically have a greater chance of getting killed in a car accident on the way to work or struck by lightning.. Than you do getting killed by a terrorist or gunned down in public place... Influenza has a greater chance of making you buy the farm than this.. If we are going to crazy about this, how the hell are you people able to get into a car, or touch another person why you have a greater chance of getting killed in a automobile accident or by a germ than you do this?sSubZerOo
I agree 100%. I mean, shootings like this happen, and then suddenly everyone jumps in thinking that some kind of policies or laws need to be changed, and coming up with ways to stop this from happening in the future. "Oh, we need to do this to keep this from happening" or "no, that's stupid...we need to do this other thing to keep this stuff from happening." And like...seriously. Do people not realize how rare these kinds of incidents actually are? Whether you're for loosening gun rights or tightening restrictions, can we all agree that those kinds of policies and laws really shouldn't have ANYTHING to do with what are basically rare freak occurrences? Don't get me wrong...if there was some really easy simple fix that'd keep this from happening, then I'd be all for it. But every single suggestion that people are making is almost certain to have far more serious repercussions towards things that have nothing to do with these kinds of big massacres. One can speculate all they want that more or less gun control would reduce the number of these kinds of attacks, but guess what? Anyway you look at it, those kind of changes will surely have a FAR more massive impact on the REST of gun-related crime. These kinds of massacres might become less frequent while the rest of gun related crime goes up, or these kinds of massacres might become less frequent while the rest of gun related crime goes up. In either case, it's not about these kinds of rare massacres. As horrible as these kinds of things are, this guy killed 12 people. I'm pretty sure that more people get killed by pet dogs in a given year. These kinds of mass shootings are NOT the kind of things which warrant instituting drastic laws which have the potential to have a huge impact on gun crime in the USA. Even if you argue that ALL gun crime would go down after such changes, then THAT'S the issue: reducing overall gun crime. Anyway, I don't even like saying that. Because ultimately I'm sort of putting a price on peoples' lives. I'm saying that these kinds of shootings happen so infrequently that it's not even WORTH making such drastic changes. And yeah...that sounds cruel and insensitive, but it's really the sort of sentiment that people live by every day. Cars could be made a ****load safer than they are now, we could be FAR more aggressive in taking irresponsible drivers off of the road. But there are absolutely going to be costs, and at some point the few lives that would be saved aren't worth the massive changes that would have to be implemented.
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#105 Nonstop-Madness
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Responsible people should be able to have a firearm. The right to bear arms was established to allow people to protect themselves from enemies both foreign and domestic. Not to mention you can get your hands on almost anything that's illegal anyways.
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#106 PernicioEnigma
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A massacre happens (which is pretty rare) and all the sudden everyone is so uptight on banning guns.

Jeez, everyone sure does like to overreact.

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Wasn't there one only a few months ago at a college? Not the Virginia tech one (which wasn't too long ago either).
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#107 MrGeezer
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[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]I also think armed security should be in public places, schools, malls ect...have armed guards everywhere. They do that in Israel.ShadowMoses900

That's so incredibly impractical that it's not even funny.

I feel safer around guns then without them. Maybe you are the opposite. I would prefer to conceal carry but since not all places allow that, then they should have armed security on sites or upgrade police presence. Not with pistols either, but with rifles and guard dogs too.

No criminal scum is going to attack a place knowing there are armed people who will shoot him.

I would feel safer.

Do you have any idea how much that would cost, placing trained heavily armed guards at every public place, complete with guard dogs? Who exactly is supposed to pay for that? Would business owners be required to pay for that kind of security themselves? Would business owners be required to pay to train such armed guards if they can't find someone who's already qualified? Do most people even WANT an armed guard patting them down when they're just going to the restaurant on a date or going to the store to pick up a new videogame? Can you say goodbye to a hell of a lot of small businesses who don't have a chance in hell of being able to afford that kind of security? Can you appreciate the consequences that that kind of security will have on people's willingness to actually go out and buy things? Look dude...realize this. The primary reason why most places have security guards is because it helps them to make money. Stores have security guards for loss prevention purposes and for the illusion of safety. And even then, most security guards aren't highly trained in high-stress combat situations, and many of them don't even carry guns. They're usually a CHEAP way to make customers feel safe and deter theft, and let's make no mistake that most of them wouldn't likely be able to do jack $*** about someone who is heavily armed and who has the intent of causing as many deaths as possible. To actually get highly trained well armed competent guards and then place them pretty much in all public places...holy $***, dude. Do you have any idea how impractical that is?
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#108 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Rambo is a movie dude.....br0kenrabbit

Ever raced a car? Hey, you know Fast and Furious is a movie, dude...

No dude I don't race cars......and unless you're on a track....I hope you don't either. You seem one irresponsible individual.

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#109 seahorse123
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Yeah! Or, how about nobody carries guns?harashawn
Or a better solution no one carries a gun outside of there property ( with acceptions for shooting ranges )
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#110 th3warr1or
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Yeah! Or, how about nobody carries guns?harashawn
Yeah, nobody except criminals.
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#111 Fdar
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I got a better idea, everyone wears body armor and drives a Apc Stryker. An Apc Stryker will be the new SUV in 2013.

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#112 The_Gaming_Baby
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I've just found a great solution: when going to work, theaters, restaurants or schools, everyone should carry a gun, so that if a shooter opened fire in a public place, he'd gunned down instantly.

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You must be 12
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#113 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="harashawn"]Yeah! Or, how about nobody carries guns?seahorse123
Or a better solution no one carries a gun outside of there property ( with acceptions for shooting ranges )

Good luck on getting the criminals to agree to that....:lol:
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#114 seahorse123
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[QUOTE="seahorse123"][QUOTE="harashawn"]Yeah! Or, how about nobody carries guns?LJS9502_basic
Or a better solution no one carries a gun outside of there property ( with acceptions for shooting ranges )

Good luck on getting the criminals to agree to that....:lol:

It's an idea the police really need to crack down
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#115 jun_aka_pekto
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[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]I also think armed security should be in public places, schools, malls ect...have armed guards everywhere. They do that in Israel.ShadowMoses900

That's so incredibly impractical that it's not even funny.

I feel safer around guns then without them. Maybe you are the opposite. I would prefer to conceal carry but since not all places allow that, then they should have armed security on sites or upgrade police presence. Not with pistols either, but with rifles and guard dogs too.

No criminal scum is going to attack a place knowing there are armed people who will shoot him.

I would feel safer.

Kinda reminds me of the Philippines when the wife and I made a trip there. There were armed security guards on every major establishment. They were heavily armed too with either shotguns or M-16s.

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#116 JigglyWiggly_
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why not just make everyone wear body armor
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#117 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="seahorse123"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="seahorse123"] Or a better solution no one carries a gun outside of there property ( with acceptions for shooting ranges )

Good luck on getting the criminals to agree to that....:lol:

It's an idea the police really need to crack down

You'll never rid the world of crime......so idealistic and naive.
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#118 deactivated-5b1e62582e305
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Just give everyone the Halo: CE pistol.

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#119 sexyweapons
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Yeah! Or, how about nobody carries guns?harashawn

:lol: that would NEVER work!

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#120 Treflis
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This reminds me of the guy that suggested there to be automatic turrets within cinemas that were connected to video cameras watching the crowd and the exits.
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#122 sexyweapons
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[QUOTE="harashawn"]Yeah! Or, how about nobody carries guns?seahorse123
Or a better solution no one carries a gun outside of there property ( with acceptions for shooting ranges )

and you intend to enforce that how?

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#123 noscope-ak47
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[QUOTE="seahorse123"][QUOTE="harashawn"]Yeah! Or, how about nobody carries guns?sexyweapons

Or a better solution no one carries a gun outside of there property ( with acceptions for shooting ranges )

and you intend to enforce that how?

All you need to drive around with your weapon is membership to a 24hr gun range. When you get pulled over you just show your card and say I am on my way to the range problem solved.

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#124 WiiMan21
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My idea

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#125 DaBrainz
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I lot of people would have survived if they had the ability to shoot back.
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#126 deactivated-59d151f079814
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I lot of people would have survived if they had the ability to shoot back.DaBrainz

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Captain Hindsight does it again!

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#127 jeremiah06
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Yes, I'm sure that would work out great in a dark, smoke filled movie theater. -Sun_Tzu-
But if we all had flash bangs...
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#128 _R34LiTY_
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should we still blame rap music?Nengo_Flow

I blame yodel music instead

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#129 C2N2
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Yeah! Or, how about nobody carries guns?harashawn

I am not an advocate for gun rights one way or another, but that solves nothing... If a criminal wants a gun they are going to get a gun...