A proposal to end all religious topics

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#51 lo_Pine
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[QUOTE="lo_Pine"][QUOTE="CHOASXIII"]

God is a concept by which we measure our pain, just imagine no religion...I really wonder if you can.

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God is not described as a 'concept' by religions. He is always an all knowing all powerful ''being''. People do not worship a 'concept' when they practice religion, they worship this 'being' or 'entity' described in religious texts you can agree with that right? Religion was a necessity for our progress as humans up to this point, but we are sophisticated enough now to ask ourselves if it is still a necessity in the way we know it.

Claiming religion was ever a necessity is as ridiculous as claiming God is an actual entity. You have any evidence or references to your claims? Or you trolling?

2000 to 3000 years ago, what would of been a better way to get a large population of uneducated, illiterate peasants basically to want to even contribute to something like a state of Rome or Persia? You use the fear of being punished by the Gods of the religion if you do not conform to its doctrine. Torture, death, and slaughter are ways to instill fear but they can only do so much. That is proven many times in history.

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#52 Zeviander
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Or you could just do like everyone else who don't like a thread and ignore it. There is nothing worse than people who complain about things they don't enjoy. Unless they think what they enjoy is what everyone else *should* enjoy too.
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[QUOTE="BygByron3"]Claiming religion was ever a necessity is as ridiculous as claiming God is an actual entity. You have any evidence or references to your claims? Or you trolling?RationalAtheist

New research at the Gobekli Tepi site in Turkey has posited that organised religion pre-dates agriculture.

The Göbekli Tepe site and neolithic anthropological finds don't prove religion was ever necessary. The well known National Geographic article about Göbekli Tepe called "The Birth of Religion" is mostly speculation based off of rare artifacts found that have communal and possibly religious significance.

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#54 BygByron3
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[QUOTE="BygByron3"][QUOTE="lo_Pine"] God is not described as a 'concept' by religions. He is always an all knowing all powerful ''being''. People do not worship a 'concept' when they practice religion, they worship this 'being' or 'entity' described in religious texts you can agree with that right? Religion was a necessity for our progress as humans up to this point, but we are sophisticated enough now to ask ourselves if it is still a necessity in the way we know it. lo_Pine

Claiming religion was ever a necessity is as ridiculous as claiming God is an actual entity. You have any evidence or references to your claims? Or you trolling?

2000 to 3000 years ago, what would of been a better way to get a large population of uneducated, illiterate peasants basically to want to even contribute to something like a state of Rome or Persia? You use the fear of being punished by the Gods of the religion if you do not conform to its doctrine. Torture, death, and slaughter are ways to instill fear but they can only do so much. That is proven many times in history.

Not a single link or reference, what a surprise. I don't care about your subjective assumptions.
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#55 lo_Pine
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[QUOTE="RationalAtheist"]

[QUOTE="BygByron3"]Claiming religion was ever a necessity is as ridiculous as claiming God is an actual entity. You have any evidence or references to your claims? Or you trolling?BygByron3

New research at the Gobekli Tepi site in Turkey has posited that organised religion pre-dates agriculture.

The Göbekli Tepe site and neolithic anthropological finds don't prove religion was ever necessary. The well known National Geographic article about Göbekli Tepe called "The Birth of Religion" is mostly speculation based off of rare artifacts found that have communal and possibly religious significance.

Then what is your evidence that to show that religion is not a necessity to get us where we are today? Where would we be without it? Do you know if we would have even come up with things like math and science without religion? It seems we are doing pretty good considering when civilization started.
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#56 RationalAtheist
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[QUOTE="RationalAtheist"]

[QUOTE="BygByron3"]Claiming religion was ever a necessity is as ridiculous as claiming God is an actual entity. You have any evidence or references to your claims? Or you trolling?BygByron3

New research at the Gobekli Tepi site in Turkey has posited that organised religion pre-dates agriculture.

The Göbekli Tepe site and neolithic anthropological finds don't prove religion was ever necessary. The well known National Geographic article about Göbekli Tepe called "The Birth of Religion" is mostly speculation based off of rare artifacts found that have communal and possibly religious significance.

It is well-evidenced speculation, based on the age of the range of temples. Your denial of their religious significance seems bizarre and biased: Communal living would not require the construction and sculpture that is so well preserved in this site, which is religiously significant. The age of the temples (that pre-date Stonehenge) and the demise of their elaborate construction into more simple structures as the religion faded is clear indication of a religion that might have inspired civilisation to live communally and create an agrarian society that then moved away from an initally binding belief.

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#57 BygByron3
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[QUOTE="BygByron3"]

[QUOTE="RationalAtheist"]

New research at the Gobekli Tepi site in Turkey has posited that organised religion pre-dates agriculture.

lo_Pine

The Göbekli Tepe site and neolithic anthropological finds don't prove religion was ever necessary. The well known National Geographic article about Göbekli Tepe called "The Birth of Religion" is mostly speculation based off of rare artifacts found that have communal and possibly religious significance.

Then what is your evidence that to show that religion is not a necessity to get us where we are today? Where would we be without it? Do you know if we would have even come up with things like math and science without religion? It seems we are doing pretty good considering when civilization started.

I never said it wasn't necessary I just said there is no evidence it is necessary, just that it can't be proved either way. Similar to your claim that God is also an entity, you can't prove that either. I can also claim there is a civilization of flying spaghetti monsters on the planet Marinara in another galaxy, and we can't prove or disprove that either. None of this is worth arguing but don't start claiming ridiculous assumptions that can't be proven as a fact, and if you do at least provide some links or references.
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[QUOTE="lo_Pine"][QUOTE="BygByron3"]The Göbekli Tepe site and neolithic anthropological finds don't prove religion was ever necessary. The well known National Geographic article about Göbekli Tepe called "The Birth of Religion" is mostly speculation based off of rare artifacts found that have communal and possibly religious significance.BygByron3
Then what is your evidence that to show that religion is not a necessity to get us where we are today? Where would we be without it? Do you know if we would have even come up with things like math and science without religion? It seems we are doing pretty good considering when civilization started.

I never said it wasn't necessary I just said there is no evidence it is necessary, just that it can't be proved either way. Similar to your claim that God is also an entity, you can't prove that either. I can also claim there is a civilization of flying spaghetti monsters on the planet Marinara in another galaxy, and we can't prove or disprove that either. None of this is worth arguing but don't start claiming ridiculous assumptions that can't be proven as a fact, and if you do at least provide some links or references.

You know what? I really, really could provide links and references and quotes from my history books and do all sorts of research for you, but I don't care about what you think enough to do that. And I don't care enough about this to do that.

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#60 RationalAtheist
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[QUOTE="lo_Pine"][QUOTE="BygByron3"]The Göbekli Tepe site and neolithic anthropological finds don't prove religion was ever necessary. The well known National Geographic article about Göbekli Tepe called "The Birth of Religion" is mostly speculation based off of rare artifacts found that have communal and possibly religious significance.

BygByron3

Then what is your evidence that to show that religion is not a necessity to get us where we are today? Where would we be without it? Do you know if we would have even come up with things like math and science without religion? It seems we are doing pretty good considering when civilization started.

I never said it wasn't necessary I just said there is no evidence it is necessary, just that it can't be proved either way. Similar to your claim that God is also an entity, you can't prove that either. I can also claim there is a civilization of flying spaghetti monsters on the planet Marinara in another galaxy, and we can't prove or disprove that either. None of this is worth arguing but don't start claiming ridiculous assumptions that can't be proven as a fact, and if you do at least provide some links or references.

But there is evidence that religion may pre-date agriculture. The natural inference from Gobekli Tepi is that people got together for a primary religious cause before engaging in communal agriculture and therefore the first discovered societies used religion as a social tool.

Most of Gobekli Tepi is still underground, as it is such a recent discovery and there is much evidence waiting for archaeological scrutiny and evaluation. Human anthropology is far more evidentially based that claims to faith in theism. I can't see how you can compare the two.

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#61 Franklinstein
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People can't stop talking about it.... some of them only get on this website for that purpose.
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#62 whipassmt
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Should we end political topics too?

Maybe we could have thing where two identical topics are not allowed at the same time.

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#63 Franklinstein
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Should we end political topics too?

Maybe we could have thing where two identical topics are not allowed at the same time.

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Are you talking about a religious-political topic? Because that sounds horrifying
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#64 BygByron3
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It is well-evidenced speculationRationalAtheist
Even this June 2011 article claims anthropologists still commonly assume the beginning of organized religion was to calm tensions as hunter gatherers settled down. Klaus Schmidt's findings are fairly isolated and not well-evidenced by any means. Regardless it is still speculation.
Human anthropology is far more evidentially based that claims to faith in theism. I can't see how you can compare the two.RationalAtheist
I agree, that was a far fetched comparison.
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#65 BygByron3
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You know what? I really, really could provide links and references and quotes from my history books and do all sorts of research for you, but I don't care about what you think enough to do that. And I don't care enough about this to do that.lo_Pine
Hahaha, okay. You can believe and do what you want but if you make unsubstantiated claims expect to be asked for links and references.
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#66 mindstorm
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The only way I will stop talking about Jesus would be if I am banned. Don't ban me! :cry:
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#67 lo_Pine
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[QUOTE="lo_Pine"]You know what? I really, really could provide links and references and quotes from my history books and do all sorts of research for you, but I don't care about what you think enough to do that. And I don't care enough about this to do that.BygByron3
Hahaha, okay. You can believe and do what you want but if you make unsubstantiated claims expect to be asked for links and references.

Your not my teacher I am not writing an essay for you. "Provide evidence and give me quotes" bro shut up.
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#69 mindstorm
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[QUOTE="mindstorm"]The only way I will stop talking about Jesus would be if I am banned. Don't ban me! :cry:Iszdope

I'm curious.

What kinds of video games you play?

Mostly RPGs. Much of my gaming time over the past number of years have been in World of Warcraft. Right now I'm also playing DC Universe Online and Skyrim on the PS3.
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#71 mindstorm
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[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="Iszdope"]

I'm curious.

What kinds of video games you play?

Iszdope

Mostly RPGs. Much of my gaming time over the past number of years have been in World of Warcraft. Right now I'm also playing DC Universe Online and Skyrim on the PS3.

Hmm. Thought so.

What about Call of Duty and the like?

Nope. I have tried to get into first person shooters but haven't really liked any since my early college days playing Halo 2 with others in my dorm. There is a sense in which I enjoy them but there is little to draw me to keep playing. RPG's, for example, tend to have a greater sense of progression and story.
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#73 Philokalia
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So your proposing to make off topic not off topic any more? Where does it stop? No more political threads? Till it gets to the point where we can only have useless questions and points being made with Lulz and the like?

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#74 mindstorm
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Reckon Jesus would play these games?

I don't.

Iszdope

They didn't have video games back then silly. :P

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#76 mindstorm
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[QUOTE="mindstorm"]

[QUOTE="Iszdope"]Reckon Jesus would play these games?

I don't.

Iszdope

They didn't have video games back then silly. :P

If he came a knockin' on your door right now, got invited in, sat down on your couch...

Reckon Jesus would play these games (with you).

Simple yes/no this one.

Yes.
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#78 mindstorm
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[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="Iszdope"]

If he came a knockin' on your door right now, got invited in, sat down on your couch...

Reckon Jesus would play these games (with you).

Simple yes/no this one.

Iszdope

Yes.

Fool.

Just like the rest.

Why might I ask? I answered my question as such not because I believe he actually cares about video games. However, I do believe he cares about me personally and would work to better our relationship even if this means play video games. Jesus doesn't care about video games but he does care about the people who play them.
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#80 mindstorm
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So, you reckon Jesus would be keen to play Skyrim yeah?

Bet he chooses Dark Elf!!

I'd buy that for a dollar!

Iszdope

It's hard to really say. I am not one to really like the whole "What would Jesus do?" mentality. Certainly it is Jesus who gives us our standard for living but such a question is irrelevant when it comes to morally neutral questions. Am I to ask what Jesus would do when choosing between Pepsi or Coke too?

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Not going to lie.

I think its fascinating.

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[QUOTE="CHOASXIII"]

[QUOTE="lo_Pine"] Whether something exists or doesn't exist is independent from our consciousness. Maybe a blind man hears about the moon and refuses to believe it exists, but if he could only see it he would know that clearly it does exist.worlock77

God is a concept by which we measure our pain, just imagine no religion...I really wonder if you can.

Indeed. Imagine all the people...living life in peace...

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[QUOTE="BygByron3"][QUOTE="lo_Pine"]You know what? I really, really could provide links and references and quotes from my history books and do all sorts of research for you, but I don't care about what you think enough to do that. And I don't care enough about this to do that.lo_Pine
Hahaha, okay. You can believe and do what you want but if you make unsubstantiated claims expect to be asked for links and references.

Your not my teacher I am not writing an essay for you. "Provide evidence and give me quotes" bro shut up.

You shouldn't make unsubstaniated claims then. And I'm not your bro and who tells people to "shut up" on the internet? In the time you spent replying numerous times saying nothing of value you could've simply replied with some links or references in a single reply and then we could've had a civilized debate, but you rather act like a kid.

In another thread some kid like you replied a dozen times today claiming Zimmerman is guilty because he made racial slurs, and I kept asking for a single link or reference that supported his claim and he did the exact same thing you've done in this thread and still has provided zero evidence to his unsubstantiated claim. It's embarassing that people think they are entitled to claim whatever they want ignoring their responsibility to support their claims. It is nearly the definition of ignorance itself.

I'm amused by your responses and I won't tell you to shut up so please continue stating that you don't have to support your claims! Hahaha.

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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]Also God doesn't exist and religion is the opiate of the masses. SaudiFury

oh come now. don't you

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[QUOTE="Iszdope"]So, you reckon Jesus would be keen to play Skyrim yeah?

Bet he chooses Dark Elf!!

I'd buy that for a dollar!

mindstorm

It's hard to really say. I am not one to really like the whole "What would Jesus do?" mentality. Certainly it is Jesus who gives us our standard for living but such a question is irrelevant when it comes to morally neutral questions. Am I to ask what Jesus would do when choosing between Pepsi or Coke too?

:lol: He'd choose Pepsi of course.

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[QUOTE="lo_Pine"][QUOTE="BygByron3"]Hahaha, okay. You can believe and do what you want but if you make unsubstantiated claims expect to be asked for links and references.BygByron3

Your not my teacher I am not writing an essay for you. "Provide evidence and give me quotes" bro shut up.

You shouldn't make unsubstaniated claims then. And I'm not your bro and who tells people to "shut up" on the internet? In the time you spent replying numerous times saying nothing of value you could've simply replied with some links or references in a single reply and then we could've had a civilized debate, but you rather act like a kid.

In another thread some kid like you replied a dozen times today claiming Zimmerman is guilty because he made racial slurs, and I kept asking for a single link or reference that supported his claim and he did the exact same thing you've done in this thread and still has provided zero evidence to his unsubstantiated claim. It's embarassing that people think they are entitled to claim whatever they want ignoring their responsibility to support their claims. It is nearly the definition of ignorance itself.

I'm amused by your responses and I won't tell you to shut up so please continue stating that you don't have to support your claims! Hahaha.


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#88 Easyle
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Blame the atheists for not realizing God is real.

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#89 tenaka2
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So im not sure if its just me but, ive been seeing a steady growth of religious topics each and every day. Those that try to prove/disprove God and as far as i know there are no new points being made at all. Everyone argues and brings up the same exact points in each thread. Since we have so many of these topics can we all just agree that if you want to talk about religion or the existance of God you should probably use the search button and read up on the countless threads made before? This way we can clear up some of these useless debates from OT.

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#90 bobbetybob
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Not all religious topics no, but Christanity Vs Atheism is so damn boring, it's just constantly "God is real because *insert stupid argument*!!!" and then "Nu-uh God isn't real because *insert stupid argument*"
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#91 Jackc8
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The religious topics are just the exact same s*** over and over and over again. It would be fine with me if they just deleted them all.

Same with the politcial crap.

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#92 NiKva
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It will never happen.
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#93 GrayF0X786
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in another universe religion doesn't exist and you are happy thereZumaJones07
like you..you seem really happy with your life.