A question about attraction and age.

[QUOTE="raynimrod"]

So what are you talking about then? Merely your opinion on what is cause, what is fault, what is responsibility, and what is freedom? If this is just about your opinion, then it's unlikely anything in this discussion is going to change.

rawsavon

Where did I ask for change :?

I merely corrected someone earlier that said 'if you can't help something, it means it is not your fault'.
Your intent or ability to control something has nothing to do with the you being the cause or being at fault.

I never discussed the legality of anything as it is pointless to do so...laws vary by place and are tools not absolutes

You didn't ask for change, I'm merely referring to the constant back and fourth of opinionating that's being perpetuated by every post.

Regardless of whether you're discussing the legality of your opinions, the fact remains that it's the law that defines the cause and fault of someone's actions, not your opinion.

You turning around to say that " Your intent or ability to control something has nothing to do with you being the cause or being at fault" is 100% your opinion. A court might decide that your ability to control something is directly linked to whether something is or isn't your fault.

[QUOTE="poptart"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] fault = cause = blame thoughrawsavon

A quarrel over semantics it is then... :P

Probably just different interpretations of the words - no-ones to blame/cause/fault :P

All of you are thinking too deeply. I turn and stare at any short skirt. Yummy flesh candy. Ancient Egyptians had babies as young as 11 years old. Don't let your Modern-Day Nanny-State derail your thoughts...

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]

[QUOTE="raynimrod"]

So what are you talking about then? Merely your opinion on what is cause, what is fault, what is responsibility, and what is freedom? If this is just about your opinion, then it's unlikely anything in this discussion is going to change.

raynimrod

Where did I ask for change :?

I merely corrected someone earlier that said 'if you can't help something, it means it is not your fault'.
Your intent or ability to control something has nothing to do with the you being the cause or being at fault.

I never discussed the legality of anything as it is pointless to do so...laws vary by place and are tools not absolutes

You didn't ask for change, I'm merely referring to the constant back and fourth of opinionating that's being perpetuated by every post.

Regardless of whether you're discussing the legality of your opinions, the fact remains that it's the law that defines the cause and fault of someone's actions, not your opinion.

You turning around to say that " Your intent or ability to control something has nothing to do with you being the cause or being at fault" is 100% your opinion. A court might decide that your ability to control something is directly linked to whether something is or isn't your fault.

...and a court might not.

That is meaningless b/c laws change over time and from place to place. They are designed by people to serve people. So they are good for helping us get what we (as s society) want out of life, but they are not able to determine absolutes.

But you should play 'the game' too (the one from the previous page).

[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="poptart"]

A quarrel over semantics it is then... :P

poptart

Probably just different interpretations of the words - no-ones to blame/cause/fault :P

[QUOTE="raynimrod"]

You didn't ask for change, I'm merely referring to the constant back and fourth of opinionating that's being perpetuated by every post.

Regardless of whether you're discussing the legality of your opinions, the fact remains that it's the law that defines the cause and fault of someone's actions, not your opinion.

You turning around to say that " Your intent or ability to control something has nothing to do with you being the cause or being at fault" is 100% your opinion. A court might decide that your ability to control something is directly linked to whether something is or isn't your fault.

rawsavon

...and a court might not.

That is meaningless b/c laws change over time and from place to place. They are designed by people to serve people. So they are good for helping us get what we (as s society) want out of life, but they are not able to determine absolutes.

But you should play 'the game' too (the one from the previous page).

So why are you the all-supreme being that gets to decide the "absolutes"? Again, everything you've said is just your personal opinion, it's far from being absolute.

So far as the game goes, I doubt it would do me any good. I don't have any understanding of the US justice system (other than what I've seen on Boston Legal :P) and my knowledge of Australian law isn't too crash-hot either.

I'm soarly dissapointed with all of you....this was your chance to make a 33 year old guy question himself and think of himself as a pedo....and you ruined......for shame...for shame all of you...:evil: :POmni-Slash

Ah, don't worry. I'm already feeling that way anyways. :P

raynimrod

[QUOTE="KamuiFei"]

Theres nothing wrong with that. Personally 15-16 years old shouldn't even be a grey area, since girls that age are sexually mature enough to have sex. I've seen girls that could be no more than 13 yet have an amazing fully developed body, but you could tell by the face. I'm 25 and I have a regular sexual appetite like any other guy. If I see a great female body regardless of age, I'm gonna look. Obviously if she's too young, I would never act on it and anything under 15 for me personally is just bad, even if she was developed. I would look, but never touch.

Its natural and always has been since the dawn of mankind. Theres nothing wrong with you TC.

Joshywaa

I've never understood guys who just....stare.....at girls.

It creeps me out. Are they trying to accomplish something/get the girls attention...or....do they not know what they are doing? Drawing a blank, so to speak. Like my cat when she notices a bird from our balcony...she just sits and stares at the bird...makes the occasional grumbling noise.

Needless to say, i don't get along with very many guys :P (i am a guy by the way :oops: )

Yeah it's kinda creepy I'll admit, but I think if you guys saw her you'd have a difficult time averting your gaze.

Oh yea, someone else mentioned that she might've been twenty and had a baby face. Could be, but she was with her family and what looked to be her brother who also looked around the same age so I'd bet she was underage. I'm a fairly good judge when it comes to such things.

[QUOTE="raynimrod"]rawsavon

[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="raynimrod"]kipohippo021

[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="raynimrod"]kipohippo021

If your brain is faulty, are you at fault or is your brain at fault? "No it wasn't me! It was my brain that did it!". Hmm....

[QUOTE="kipohippo021"][QUOTE="rawsavon"] Just play the game from your personal opinion then...will be more fun than the back and forth. scenario: You have an unknown disorder that causes you to kill 100 people in their sleep. It was not diagnosed before this night. Question: Did your actions result in their deaths?rawsavon

[QUOTE="kipohippo021"][QUOTE="rawsavon"] Just play the game from your personal opinion then...will be more fun than the back and forth. scenario: You have an unknown disorder that causes you to kill 100 people in their sleep. It was not diagnosed before this night. Question: Did your actions result in their deaths?rawsavon

mitigating circumstances ftw!!

[QUOTE="kipohippo021"][QUOTE="rawsavon"] Just play the game from your personal opinion then...will be more fun than the back and forth. scenario: You have an unknown disorder that causes you to kill 100 people in their sleep. It was not diagnosed before this night. Question: Did your actions result in their deaths?poptart

If your brain is faulty, are you at fault or is your brain at fault? "No it wasn't me! It was my brain that did it!". Hmm....

[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="kipohippo021"] Yes, but it wasnt your fault even tho you caused it. kipohippo021

[QUOTE="poptart"]

[QUOTE="kipohippo021"] Yes, but it wasnt your fault even tho you caused it. kipohippo021

If your brain is faulty, are you at fault or is your brain at fault? "No it wasn't me! It was my brain that did it!". Hmm....

I don't think such thoughts are abnormal in the least. Why do you think the term jailbait was invented?

Really, I think it has to do with men, whether it be completely concious or not, wanting to be the first to get to that newly mature female. I think it is some sort of underlying want to "conquer" that new territory. Virginity tends to be valued alot for females in general and I think it is that perception that once someone loses their virginity they are no longer "pure".

I do not consider such thoughts as being a pedophile. After all, I have fantasized of killing people but I am not a murderer now am I?

Thinking is one thing. A person should never be ostricized for their thoughts. I personally wish that these thoughts would be brought out in the open more and accepted more in the sense of them being something that just happens. I feel if people with true pedophilic tendencies could be more open about their problem and actually get help that maybe we could save some kids from being sexually abused.

Now I will say that acting on and/or continually fantasizing woud be another story. I think it is at the point where you no longer let those thoughts pass off at silly that you begin to have a problem.

LostProphetFLCL

Humor me here. Hypothetically, why is fantasizing about this wrong exactly? Age is not a factor here, her physical maturity is. It would be no different than fantasizing about my 28 y/o GF. I also don't think these thoughts are any more silly than being attracted to someone of consensual age.

[QUOTE="kipohippo021"][QUOTE="poptart"]

If your brain is faulty, are you at fault or is your brain at fault? "No it wasn't me! It was my brain that did it!". Hmm....

rawsavon

[QUOTE="poptart"]

[QUOTE="kipohippo021"] Yes, but it wasnt your fault even tho you caused it. kipohippo021

If your brain is faulty, are you at fault or is your brain at fault? "No it wasn't me! It was my brain that did it!". Hmm....

Well they can and most certainly do in order to satiate the public's appetite for punishment – crime committed, they seek blame and courts appease them. We're just a civilized lynch mob in reality. Anyway that's by-the-by, I was only passing with flippant comment anyway. The reality is that if a person is 'faulty', then logic follows that the person is at fault. Blame is merely a recognition of that fault. Of course, with this pattern follows punishment, however blame/fault/etc/blah takes on a negative connotation when applied to people and behvaiours. This whole thing really has just been about semantics – nothing more – it's just the typical protracted circular argument you find when restreicted to posting on forums…. Which does make it entertaining for the passing observers mind you :P

[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="kipohippo021"] Laws are in place for sane people, not insane people. You cant apply the same laws. kipohippo021

[QUOTE="Gallion-Beast"]There's nothing at all wrong with being attracted to a person with the body of an adult regardless of their age. Acting on it is another matter entirely. I'm pretty sure it's something all men know, you just don't say anything about it for the sake of not coming off as a creep.clayron

A little like this?

[QUOTE="clayron"][QUOTE="Gallion-Beast"]There's nothing at all wrong with being attracted to a person with the body of an adult regardless of their age. Acting on it is another matter entirely. I'm pretty sure it's something all men know, you just don't say anything about it for the sake of not coming off as a creep.poptart

A little like this?

[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

I don't think such thoughts are abnormal in the least. Why do you think the term jailbait was invented?

Really, I think it has to do with men, whether it be completely concious or not, wanting to be the first to get to that newly mature female. I think it is some sort of underlying want to "conquer" that new territory. Virginity tends to be valued alot for females in general and I think it is that perception that once someone loses their virginity they are no longer "pure".

I do not consider such thoughts as being a pedophile. After all, I have fantasized of killing people but I am not a murderer now am I?

Thinking is one thing. A person should never be ostricized for their thoughts. I personally wish that these thoughts would be brought out in the open more and accepted more in the sense of them being something that just happens. I feel if people with true pedophilic tendencies could be more open about their problem and actually get help that maybe we could save some kids from being sexually abused.

Now I will say that acting on and/or continually fantasizing woud be another story. I think it is at the point where you no longer let those thoughts pass off at silly that you begin to have a problem.

Rekunta

Humor me here. Hypothetically, why is fantasizing about this wrong exactly? Age is not a factor here, her physical maturity is. It would be no different than fantasizing about my 28 y/o GF. I also don't think these thoughts are any more silly than being attracted to someone of consensual age.

Well the way I see it, once you started repeatedly fantasizing about and/or pleasuring yourself to thoughts of someone who is underage, you are basically breaking down a boundary in your head. To me it is one step closer to actually acting out on those impulses (and hell, pleasuring yourself really IS acting out on the impulse).

It is important to acknowlege that these thoughts happen, but it is just as important to push them aside and control yourself. If you start letting boundaries go, it is possible that you may end up losing control one day.

I hate to make a slippery slope arguement here, but it is oh so easy to lose yourself over time by letting boundaries go gradually. It isn't like people with alcohol problems just are suddenly alcoholics after all. It is a very gradual process of them letting their control slip gradually through small decisions that accumulate over time.

Ewww...you dirty old man. :P

Seriously, that is normal for every men. :)

There's nothing wrong with it. It may be seen as a "pervert" thing or whatever by mothers, but in reality it's pretty natural. Just don't go sniffing her hair and salvaging her used tissues or anything. At that point, you need to worry.

There's nothing wrong with it. It may be seen as a "pervert" thing or whatever by mothers, but in reality it's pretty natural. Just don't go sniffing her hair and salvaging her used tissues or anything. At that point, you need to worry.

Suzy_Q_Kazoo

*looks ashamedly at feet*

[QUOTE="Suzy_Q_Kazoo"]

There's nothing wrong with it. It may be seen as a "pervert" thing or whatever by mothers, but in reality it's pretty natural. Just don't go sniffing her hair and salvaging her used tissues or anything. At that point, you need to worry.

poptart

*looks ashamedly at feet*

There's nothing wrong with it. It may be seen as a "pervert" thing or whatever by mothers, but in reality it's pretty natural. Just don't go sniffing her hair and salvaging her used tissues or anything. At that point, you need to worry.

Suzy_Q_Kazoo

But what about this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxdRz3Hm3UM

[QUOTE="Suzy_Q_Kazoo"]

There's nothing wrong with it. It may be seen as a "pervert" thing or whatever by mothers, but in reality it's pretty natural. Just don't go sniffing her hair and salvaging her used tissues or anything. At that point, you need to worry.

KamuiFei

But what about this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxdRz3Hm3UM

[QUOTE="KamuiFei"]

[QUOTE="Suzy_Q_Kazoo"]

There's nothing wrong with it. It may be seen as a "pervert" thing or whatever by mothers, but in reality it's pretty natural. Just don't go sniffing her hair and salvaging her used tissues or anything. At that point, you need to worry.

Suzy_Q_Kazoo

But what about this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxdRz3Hm3UM

Whew, glad I'm not the only one :P

[QUOTE="poptart"]

[QUOTE="Suzy_Q_Kazoo"]

There's nothing wrong with it. It may be seen as a "pervert" thing or whatever by mothers, but in reality it's pretty natural. Just don't go sniffing her hair and salvaging her used tissues or anything. At that point, you need to worry.

Suzy_Q_Kazoo

*looks ashamedly at feet*

*hands back tissues*

There's nothing wrong with finding someone attractive. There's no such thing as a thought crime. Acting on an attraction is something else entirely, though. But as long as you make ethical choices, your inner thoughts are your own business.

That said, you might wanna be careful who you talk to about this stuff. Just for your own sake.

Nothing wrong. It's normal.

No, pedo would be being attracted to her, and her features, that have not yet "matured"