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#52 Aspen706
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No way.
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#53 tepni
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[QUOTE="tepni"][QUOTE="magicalclick"]

Yes, Yoda master.

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Awesome you are. How does Yoda say I love you? Just..I love you? I love you.

Master yes. You, I love.

DAMN you're good.
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#54 BluRayHiDef
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Is this a joke?

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Why would you ask such a question. The article provided a clear-cut scientific explanation for a phenomenon which seemed impossible.

The last sentence is written poorly and easily misunderstood. And ultimately, speaking crap without answering the question directly.

It could easily say, oxygoen is not the only thing it burn. And yes, there ARE oxygon in space, seriosuly you actually believe infinite space has no oxygeon gas cloud?

There's no way that you actually believe that there's oxygen in space. You must be joking.

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#55 pengo93
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I like science. :)

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#56 rockerbikie
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Can you get god to shake my hand?

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#57 Holyknight_CJ
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The last sentence is written poorly and easily misunderstood. And ultimately, speaking crap without answering the question directly.

It could easily say, oxygoen is not the only thing it burn. And yes, there ARE oxygon in space, seriosuly you actually believe infinite space has no oxygeon gas cloud?

magicalclick

Well there is not enough oxygen in the vicinity of most stars to allow significant combustion, so regardless of the fact that there is oxygen in space, it is still quite obvious that combustion is not what fuels stars.

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#58 Talldude80
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If anything, I'd expect the product of a creator to be more standardized. The uniqueness of our fingerprints doesn't really suggest any sort of intelligent design to me.rragnaar

exactly. lol the religious brainwashed trying to "prove" their god exists.....sad. how about you PROVE the bible was written by "god" and not a bunch of crazy people......oh wait you cant. u just have faith.

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#60 pengo93
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[QUOTE="magicalclick"]

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

Why would you ask such a question. The article provided a clear-cut scientific explanation for a phenomenon which seemed impossible.

BluRayHiDef

The last sentence is written poorly and easily misunderstood. And ultimately, speaking crap without answering the question directly.

It could easily say, oxygoen is not the only thing it burn. And yes, there ARE oxygon in space, seriosuly you actually believe infinite space has no oxygeon gas cloud?

There's no way that you actually believe that there's oxygen in space. You must be joking.

There's a hell of a lot more oxygen in outer space than on Earth.

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#61 tepni
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[QUOTE="rragnaar"]If anything, I'd expect the product of a creator to be more standardized. The uniqueness of our fingerprints doesn't really suggest any sort of intelligent design to me.Talldude80

exactly. lol the religious brainwashed trying to "prove" their god exists.....sad. how about you PROVE the bible was written by "god" and not a bunch of crazy people......oh wait you cant. u just have faith.

I can prove that to you. That is, if you have faith. Do you, sir, have faith?
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#62 tepni
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[QUOTE="Talldude80"]

[QUOTE="rragnaar"]If anything, I'd expect the product of a creator to be more standardized. The uniqueness of our fingerprints doesn't really suggest any sort of intelligent design to me.tepni

exactly. lol the religious brainwashed trying to "prove" their god exists.....sad. how about you PROVE the bible was written by "god" and not a bunch of crazy people......oh wait you cant. u just have faith.

I can prove that to you. That is, if you have faith. Do you, sir, have faith?

Oh **** I didn't read that all the way through.
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#64 Baconbits2004
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I see your point, and disagree with it. I don't see the co-relation.. at all.
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#66 BluRayHiDef
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[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

[QUOTE="magicalclick"]

The last sentence is written poorly and easily misunderstood. And ultimately, speaking crap without answering the question directly.

It could easily say, oxygoen is not the only thing it burn. And yes, there ARE oxygon in space, seriosuly you actually believe infinite space has no oxygeon gas cloud?

pengo93

There's no way that you actually believe that there's oxygen in space. You must be joking.

There's a hell of a lot more oxygen in outer space than on Earth.

If this is true, then I'm going to conclude that the oxygen molecules are too far apart from one another to support breathing or other processes which require oxygen.

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#67 lamprey263
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my parents are my creator... the point about fingerprints though, how's that prove ANYTHING?
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#68 tepni
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my parents are my creator... the point about fingerprints though, how's that prove ANYTHING?lamprey263
Yes, but who created your parents? And who created their creators? Eventually it just comes down to one thing. God.
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#69 VigilanteArtist
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Look at your fingerprint..doesn't that prove that there is a creator because your fingerprint is completely unique?

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I've seen the light! :roll:

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#70 pengo93
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[QUOTE="pengo93"]

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

There's no way that you actually believe that there's oxygen in space. You must be joking.

BluRayHiDef

There's a hell of a lot more oxygen in outer space than on Earth.

If this is true, then I'm going to conclude that the oxygen molecules are too far apart from one another to support breathing or other processes which require oxygen.

Very good! There are vast nebulas in outer space hundreds of times larger than our solar system, many are made up of oxygen. In fact, when the hydrogen in stars reaches a low point, the helium that was formed in nuclear fusion then begins to fuse into other elements more frequently, such as carbon and oxygen.

Here's a fun fact, once a star fuses iron atoms, it's lifespan from then on is measured in seconds.

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#73 lamprey263
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[QUOTE="lamprey263"]my parents are my creator... the point about fingerprints though, how's that prove ANYTHING?tepni
Yes, but who created your parents? And who created their creators? Eventually it just comes down to one thing. God.

billions of years of amino acids and proteins and organic molecules assembling to where the simplest of living organisms emerged and after much mutation and evolution we're at where we are today, it didn't take God to create that first spark of life on earth, scientist have even created bacterial organisms from scratch in labs (was in the news months ago), God was not part of that equation
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#74 tepni
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[QUOTE="tepni"][QUOTE="lamprey263"]my parents are my creator... the point about fingerprints though, how's that prove ANYTHING?lamprey263
Yes, but who created your parents? And who created their creators? Eventually it just comes down to one thing. God.

billions of years of amino acids and proteins and organic molecules assembling to where the simplest of living organisms emerged and after much mutation and evolution we're at where we are today, it didn't take God to create that first spark of life on earth, scientist have even created bacterial organisms from scratch in labs (was in the news months ago), God was not part of that equation

Okay, that's cool and all...but believing in God is much simpler than all that. Don't you like to dumb things down a bit some times & simplify it all? Believe in God. Come. Join us.
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#75 Wasdie  Moderator
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If this is true, then I'm going to conclude that the oxygen molecules are too far apart from one another to support breathing or other processes which require oxygen.

BluRayHiDef

Exactly. You've nailed it on the head.

Did you know there are oxygen stars out there? Yeah there are stars burning nothing but oxygen. They aren't that common, but they are out there.

Stars are sweet when really looking at them. Essentially they are nonstop fusion explosions that are perfect spheres. Each explosion is brought all of the way to the surface of the star. This is at the point where the gravity has slowed the explosion down to a halt.

This is why stars that are very large burn out in only a couple hundred thousand years. They have a lot of mass, but it requires a lot of energy to create the exploisons that make the stars so big. This is why they are really hot and really big and is also why the burn out so fast. Think of a big truck with lots of towing power that sucks up a lot of gas. Sure it's very powerful, but it sucks up the fuel really fast to keep it big. This is why smaller stars with smaller masses can burn for hundreds of million years. They are smaller yet don't expend nearly as much energy as they explode.

Stars are really cool.

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#77 pengo93
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Very good! There are vast nebulas in outer space hundreds of times larger than our solar system, many are made up of oxygen. In fact, when the hydrogen in stars reaches a low point, the helium that was formed in nuclear fusion then begins to fuse into other elements more frequently, such as carbon and oxygen.

Here's a fun fact, once a star fuses iron atoms, it's lifespan from then on is measured in seconds.

magicalclick

You mean we can kill ourselves in secondsby shooting iron atoms into the sun? Not so much fun to me :cry:

Depends on how much iron is placed into the sun. The fact is, once the star fuses iron, it's already reaching the end of its life, plus the amount of iron that is being produced is so vast, it conducts massive amounts of energy away from the star itself, which allows for the force of gravity to crush it. The pressure creates even more energy and the core explodes, fusing the iron into even heavier elements (gold, uranium, etc) and creating a supernova.

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#78 tepni
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[QUOTE="tepni"][QUOTE="lamprey263"] billions of years of amino acids and proteins and organic molecules assembling to where the simplest of living organisms emerged and after much mutation and evolution we're at where we are today, it didn't take God to create that first spark of life on earth, scientist have even created bacterial organisms from scratch in labs (was in the news months ago), God was not part of that equationmagicalclick

Okay, that's cool and all...but believing in God is much simpler than all that. Don't you like to dumb things down a bit some times & simplify it all? Believe in God. Come. Join us.

That sounds quite sarcastic, Yoda master.

Oh, does it? Well it's not. Definitely not.
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#79 Wasdie  Moderator
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[QUOTE="pengo93"]

Very good! There are vast nebulas in outer space hundreds of times larger than our solar system, many are made up of oxygen. In fact, when the hydrogen in stars reaches a low point, the helium that was formed in nuclear fusion then begins to fuse into other elements more frequently, such as carbon and oxygen.

Here's a fun fact, once a star fuses iron atoms, it's lifespan from then on is measured in seconds.

magicalclick

You mean we can kill ourselves in secondsby shooting iron atoms into the sun? Not so much fun to me :cry:

Here's another really interesting fact.

All of the elements on this planet are a result from nuclear fusion happening in stars. Only in stars is there enough energy to bind atoms together to make new materials.

Our entire planet is a result from different size stars. heavier elements comes from larger stars with massive amounts of energy and short lifespans.

Our universe is expected to be 14 billionish years old yet our planet is only 4 billionish years old. That's 10 billion years of stars being created and burning out leaving new elements in their wake.

Here's another mind blowing fact. The elements that make up your body are as old as our universe. Yes, the elements in your body are over 14 billion years old. Think about that for awhile.

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#80 pengo93
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[QUOTE="tepni"][QUOTE="lamprey263"]my parents are my creator... the point about fingerprints though, how's that prove ANYTHING?lamprey263
Yes, but who created your parents? And who created their creators? Eventually it just comes down to one thing. God.

billions of years of amino acids and proteins and organic molecules assembling to where the simplest of living organisms emerged and after much mutation and evolution we're at where we are today, it didn't take God to create that first spark of life on earth, scientist have even created bacterial organisms from scratch in labs (was in the news months ago), God was not part of that equation

They have done no such thing. They have however, created amino acids, the building blocks of life. If they created life, everybody would know about it and the protests that follow would be in the news for months.

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#82 BluRayHiDef
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If this is true, then I'm going to conclude that the oxygen molecules are too far apart from one another to support breathing or other processes which require oxygen.

Wasdie

Exactly. You've nailed it on the head.

Did you know there are oxygen stars out there? Yeah there are stars burning nothing but oxygen. They aren't that common, but they are out there.

Stars are sweet when really looking at them. Essentially they are nonstop fusion explosions that are perfect spheres. Each explosion is brought all of the way to the surface of the star. This is at the point where the gravity has slowed the explosion down to a halt.

This is why stars that are very large burn out in only a couple hundred thousand years. They have a lot of mass, but it requires a lot of energy to create the exploisons that make the stars so big. This is why they are really hot and really big and is also why the burn out so fast. Think of a big truck with lots of towing power that sucks up a lot of gas. Sure it's very powerful, but it sucks up the fuel really fast to keep it big. This is why smaller stars with smaller masses can burn for hundreds of million years. They are smaller yet don't expend nearly as much energy as they explode.

Stars are really cool.

This probably will sound like an impossible idea, but it would be interesting if we could find a way to use these oxygen burning stars are refuel points for ships which need to replenish on oxygen.

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#83 pengo93
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[QUOTE="pengo93"]

[QUOTE="magicalclick"]

You mean we can kill ourselves in secondsby shooting iron atoms into the sun? Not so much fun to me :cry:

magicalclick

Depends on how much iron is placed into the sun. The fact is, once the star fuses iron, it's already reaching the end of its life, plus the amount of iron that is being produced is so vast, it conducts massive amounts of energy away from the star itself, which allows for the force of gravity to crush it. The pressure creates even more energy and the core explodes, fusing the iron into even heavier elements (gold, uranium, etc) and creating a supernova.

My head hurts LOL. But, sounds like it won't fuse iron until it is old. I can sleep in peace.

Our sun isn't large enough to fuse iron though, should've mentioned that. Nothing spectacular will happen when it dies, it will just get bigger, then shrink down to the size of a planet.

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#85 pengo93
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[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

If this is true, then I'm going to conclude that the oxygen molecules are too far apart from one another to support breathing or other processes which require oxygen.

BluRayHiDef

Exactly. You've nailed it on the head.

Did you know there are oxygen stars out there? Yeah there are stars burning nothing but oxygen. They aren't that common, but they are out there.

Stars are sweet when really looking at them. Essentially they are nonstop fusion explosions that are perfect spheres. Each explosion is brought all of the way to the surface of the star. This is at the point where the gravity has slowed the explosion down to a halt.

This is why stars that are very large burn out in only a couple hundred thousand years. They have a lot of mass, but it requires a lot of energy to create the exploisons that make the stars so big. This is why they are really hot and really big and is also why the burn out so fast. Think of a big truck with lots of towing power that sucks up a lot of gas. Sure it's very powerful, but it sucks up the fuel really fast to keep it big. This is why smaller stars with smaller masses can burn for hundreds of million years. They are smaller yet don't expend nearly as much energy as they explode.

Stars are really cool.

This probably will sound like an impossible idea, but it would be interesting if we could find a way to use these oxygen burning stars are refuel points for ships which need to replenish on oxygen.

If you like oxygen stars, you'll love carbon stars. Oftentimes, when they die they condense into giant diamonds the size of planets.

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Just proves genetic variation =/
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#87 lamprey263
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I like the cosmological talk, wish people would post more OT topics in this area more often
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#88 Vesica_Prime
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I believe in the Invisible Pink Unicorn that shoots rainbows out of her horn.

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#89 tepni
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I believe in the Invisible Pink Unicorn that shoots rainbows out of her horn.

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That's much better than God. Unicorns > god.
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#90 Fox-Call
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This thread is awful. People who haven't studied any cosmology should not be arguing it.
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#91 pengo93
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This thread is awful. People who haven't studied any cosmology should not be arguing it.Fox-Call

I actually am studying physics and biology. Just saying.

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#92 tepni
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This thread is awful. People who haven't studied any cosmology should not be arguing it.Fox-Call
I know. It was a fail on my part. I tried trollin' y'all but it didn't work.. Well I mean I guess it did, some people believed me. But I am an atheist.
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#93 testfactor888
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Look at your fingerprint..doesn't that prove that there is a creator because your fingerprint is completely unique?

tepni
Um no
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I know. It was a fail on my part. I tried trollin' y'all but it didn't work.. Well I mean I guess it did, some people believed me. But I am an atheist.tepni

Bit ironic, isn't it?

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The Watchmaker analogy is a pretty terrible one.
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#96 tepni
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[QUOTE="tepni"]I know. It was a fail on my part. I tried trollin' y'all but it didn't work.. Well I mean I guess it did, some people believed me. But I am an atheist.paranoidpixie95

Bit ironic, isn't it?

Wait..what is?
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Wait... what, TC? If that's the case and God wants us to be convinced he exists via our fingerprints, then why the hell did he create the Koala which supports the theory of evolution? If that geezer in the sky exists, then he did not think things through.
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#99 LikeHaterade
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How old are you TC? If you don't mind me asking.

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#100 DJ-Lafleur
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Yeah, well God exists because I say so.

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