A serious question for any religious user in here

I would not consider a God that would require that of me to be a God deserving of worship or praise anyway.

Quick question, if I turn the gun on God and shoot, do I become the new God?UCF_Knight

[QUOTE="UCF_Knight"]Quick question, if I turn the gun on God and shoot, do I become the new God?curono

[QUOTE="curono"][QUOTE="UCF_Knight"]Quick question, if I turn the gun on God and shoot, do I become the new God?quasarwolf

[QUOTE="suitmypants"][QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

I don't think that would be god who asked me that. I'd think it was the other guy.

If I knew it was god, Truly Truly knew, I wouldn't do it. I can't believe in a god who would ask me that.

He could put me through any torture that my body could handle but I wouldn't harm someone I love.

Ace6301

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="suitmypants"] But God did ask Abraham. And keep this in mind, this is the God that is mentioned in the Bible. There is zero mention of Satan or the devil in that story so we can already rule out that this is the actual God and not some "imposter"suitmypants

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[QUOTE="Ace6301"] The Bible was written by man though. If they were lied to then of course they're not going to know it was actually Satan. Otherwise your God is a hypocrite.Ace6301

no i dont believe in the bible at all. I see it filled with contradictions and hypocrisy all over the place, but I find it fascinating that people still deem it true (and some also claim that they believe in some passages that that claim are true while the passages that contradict the passages they claim are right are deemed as false---and this irritates me because you're supposed to take the whole Bible as true, granted if you are catholic). Because christians believe that the authors of the bible are influenced by the Holy Spirit, therefore they must accept everything at face value (this should say a lot about the Christian religion).

[QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]

[QUOTE="ColonelWilks"] Jesus is more than a human, so it didn't come to mind.Captain_Swosh69

Any arguement to be had ends there... good day, sir!

[QUOTE="Captain_Swosh69"]

[QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]

Any arguement to be had ends there... good day, sir!

ColonelWilks

He may be your savior, but he ain't mine, and he isn't anything to a lot of people... passive/agressive relegious threats are uncalled for, IMO...

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="suitmypants"]

[QUOTE="Ace6301"] Because christians believe that the authors of the bible are influenced by the Holy Spirit, therefore they must accept everything at face value (this should say a lot about the Christian religion).

suitmypants

[QUOTE="ColonelWilks"][QUOTE="Captain_Swosh69"] jesus was a wizard. i mean turning water into wine. walking on water. healing a detached ear. merlin's beard!!!!

heysharpshooter

He may be your savior, but he ain't mine, and he isn't anything to a lot of people... passive/agressive relegious threats are uncalled for, IMO...

Lets take a hypothetical situation. Dont answer with "well God would never ask me that!!" because there are precedents for things like this and you can't tell what God can o can't ask you.

So here is the situation:

You have a TRUE divine revelation. You have God in front of you and you know it is Him. He talks to you and says

"(*your name*) there are times in which people must prove his will and devotion to me. (*your name*), it is your time to show your love to me and prove that you will follow my very lead. Take this knife and slaughter (*the dearest person you have*). It is you (*your name*), that must kill (*the dearest person you have*), if you really love me and claim to be a true believer."

Afterwards you realize that there is a knife in your hand, that it was The Lord God who spoke you and asked you to kill the dearest person in the world. What do you do. Subit your will and life to your god, killing the dearest person there is, or do not kill and reject your god???

curono

Well Abraham had a similar predicament, and his son was saved, so hopefully that would happen.

[QUOTE="suitmypants"]

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="suitmypants"]

[QUOTE="Ace6301"] Because christians believe that the authors of the bible are influenced by the Holy Spirit, therefore they must accept everything at face value (this should say a lot about the Christian religion).

DreamnDayUnite

Lets take a hypothetical situation. Dont answer with "well God would never ask me that!!" because there are precedents for things like this and you can't tell what God can o can't ask you.

So here is the situation:

You have a TRUE divine revelation. You have God in front of you and you know it is Him. He talks to you and says

"(*your name*) there are times in which people must prove his will and devotion to me. (*your name*), it is your time to show your love to me and prove that you will follow my very lead. Take this knife and slaughter (*the dearest person you have*). It is you (*your name*), that must kill (*the dearest person you have*), if you really love me and claim to be a true believer."

Afterwards you realize that there is a knife in your hand, that it was The Lord God who spoke you and asked you to kill the dearest person in the world. What do you do. Subit your will and life to your god, killing the dearest person there is, or do not kill and reject your god???

curono

I would not consider a God that would require that of me to be a God deserving of worship or praise anyway.

GabuEx

What if he pulled a Billy Mays on you and said "But wait-- there's more! do it in the next5 minutes and I'll throw in as many virgins as you want when you come to my kingdom!"? :o

If I were religious... that would be the point that I would become an atheist. Or, if I were already an atheist (which is what I am), I'd check myself into an asylum and get treated for schizophrenia.

Old Testament God was a dick... but any "all-loving" or "all-merciful" God would never force you to kill someone out of a test of faith. Even if they somehow magically brought them back to life. Only dick-gods who are looking for ego-inflation do that.

Well Abraham had a similar predicament, and his son was saved, so hopefully that would happen.

turtlethetaffer

The book of Genesis says that God told Abraham to kill Isaac, but an Angel stopped him and he sacrificed a ram in his place. So if God told me to kill a dear loved, then i know something would stop them from dying.bbkkristian

The book of Genesis says that God told Abraham to kill Isaac, but an Angel stopped him and he sacrificed a ram in his place. So if God told me to kill a dear loved, then i know something would stop them from dying.bbkkristian

This exact situation has happened in Genesis 22. The thing Abraham wanted more in his life than anything else was a son, that son was Isaac. God knew of Abraham's love for his son. Did Abraham love his son more than he loved God and thus commit idolatry? According to Genesis 22, no. God had asked Abraham to sacrifice his very son for the sake of God. As the story goes, as Abraham raised his knife to kill his son, God stopped him. It is not within God's nature to require us to do things such as commit murder. Abraham knew this, even you know that as seen from the first part of the OP. Hebrews 11:19 goes as far as to say that Abraham trusted God to such an extent that even if he did kill his own son, God would raise him from the dead. Would I have the same devotion? Would I give up the things that mean the most to me for the sake of God's glory? I pray so. I certainly have put things before God at times in my life but daily I seek to forsake all for the sake of Christ. Heck, God gave up his very son for my behalf just as Abraham was willing to give up his son for the sake of God. Am I willing to do the same? It is my goal for that is the very meaning of being a disciple of Jesus. It is not a loved one I am to place my trust in but Christ himself.mindstorm

What if he asked you to stop worshiping him? would you? :o

[QUOTE="mindstorm"]This exact situation has happened in Genesis 22. The thing Abraham wanted more in his life than anything else was a son, that son was Isaac. God knew of Abraham's love for his son. Did Abraham love his son more than he loved God and thus commit idolatry? According to Genesis 22, no. God had asked Abraham to sacrifice his very son for the sake of God. As the story goes, as Abraham raised his knife to kill his son, God stopped him. It is not within God's nature to require us to do things such as commit murder. Abraham knew this, even you know that as seen from the first part of the OP. Hebrews 11:19 goes as far as to say that Abraham trusted God to such an extent that even if he did kill his own son, God would raise him from the dead. Would I have the same devotion? Would I give up the things that mean the most to me for the sake of God's glory? I pray so. I certainly have put things before God at times in my life but daily I seek to forsake all for the sake of Christ. Heck, God gave up his very son for my behalf just as Abraham was willing to give up his son for the sake of God. Am I willing to do the same? It is my goal for that is the very meaning of being a disciple of Jesus. It is not a loved one I am to place my trust in but Christ himself.dracula_16

What if he asked you to stop worshiping him? would you? :o

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[QUOTE="Ace6301"] Probably was Satan. When God found out there was probably a bad sitcom fade out with "That's our satan" being said by the cast.Ace6301

Considering Satan in not in the Old Testament, I very much doubt it was him... Satan is a New Testament creation, one that most religious scholars are not even really sure about...

Lets take a hypothetical situation. Dont answer with "well God would never ask me that!!" because there are precedents for things like this and you can't tell what God can o can't ask you.

So here is the situation:

You have a TRUE divine revelation. You have God in front of you and you know it is Him. He talks to you and says

"(*your name*) there are times in which people must prove his will and devotion to me. (*your name*), it is your time to show your love to me and prove that you will follow my very lead. Take this knife and slaughter (*the dearest person you have*). It is you (*your name*), that must kill (*the dearest person you have*), if you really love me and claim to be a true believer."

Afterwards you realize that there is a knife in your hand, that it was The Lord God who spoke you and asked you to kill the dearest person in the world. What do you do. Subit your will and life to your god, killing the dearest person there is, or do not kill and reject your god???

curono

I'm seriously the only person to choose option 3?

Well, if "God" needs me to kill someone to prove my dedication toward it, then that entity can kiss my ass.

InEMplease

This exact situation has happened in Genesis 22. The thing Abraham wanted more in his life than anything else was a son, that son was Isaac. God knew of Abraham's love for his son. Did Abraham love his son more than he loved God and thus commit idolatry? According to Genesis 22, no. God had asked Abraham to sacrifice his very son for the sake of God. As the story goes, as Abraham raised his knife to kill his son, God stopped him. It is not within God's nature to require us to do things such as commit murder. Abraham knew this, even you know that as seen from the first part of the OP. Hebrews 11:19 goes as far as to say that Abraham trusted God to such an extent that even if he did kill his own son, God would raise him from the dead. Would I have the same devotion? Would I give up the things that mean the most to me for the sake of God's glory? I pray so. I certainly have put things before God at times in my life but daily I seek to forsake all for the sake of Christ. Heck, God gave up his very son for my behalf just as Abraham was willing to give up his son for the sake of God. Am I willing to do the same? It is my goal for that is the very meaning of being a disciple of Jesus. It is not a loved one I am to place my trust in but Christ himself.mindstorm

Wow that sounds alot like a bible story about a man who was commanded to kill his son by God..forgot their names..

Mindstorm beat me to it :(..