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#1 OrangeTurtle472
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An Atheist Professor of Philosophy was speaking to his students about the Problem Science has
with God. By the way, I'm not Christian, but I believe in all of the religions and really like this conversation. And please note that I did not write this story. And I, too, find some portions of the conversation to be arguable, but it's something interesting to read, so don't flame me. Aaaaanyways, back to the the story... the Athiest Professor asked one of his New Christian Students to stand, and . . .


Professor :
You are a Christian, aren't you, son ?
Student :
Yes, sir.
Professor :
So, you Believe in GOD ?
Student :
Absolutely, sir.
Professor :
Is GOD Good ?
Student :
Sure.
Professor :
Is GOD ALL - POWERFUL ?
Student :
Yes.
Professor :
My Brother died of Cancer even though he Prayed to GOD to Heal him.
Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill.
But GOD didn't. How is this GOD good then? Hmm?


(Student was silent )


Professor :
You can't answer, can you ? Let's start again, Young Fella.
Is GOD Good?
Student :
Yes.
Professor :
Is Satan good ?
Student :
No.
Professor :
Where does Satan come from ?
Student :
From . . . GOD . . .
Professor :
That's right. Tell me son, is there evil in this World?
Student :
Yes.
Professor :
Evil is everywhere, isn't it ? And GOD did make everything. Correct?
Student :
Yes.
Professor :
So who created evil ?

(Student did not answer)


Professor :
Is there Sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness?
All these terrible things exist in the World, don't they?
Student :
Yes, sir.

Professor :So, who Created them ?

(Student had no answer)


Professor :
Science says you have 5 Senses you use to Identify and Observe the World around you.
Tell me, son . . . Have you ever Seen GOD?
Student :
No, sir.
Professor :
Tell us if you have ever Heard your GOD?
Student :
No , sir.
Professor :
Have you ever Felt your GOD, Tasted your GOD, Smelt your GOD?
Have you ever had any Sensory Perception of GOD for that matter?
Student :
No, sir. I'm afraid I haven't.
Professor :
Yet you still Believe in HIM?
Student :
Yes.
Professor :
According to Empirical, Testable, Demonstrable Protocol,
Science says your GOD doesn' t exist. What do you say to that, son?
Student :
Nothing. I only have my Faith.
Professor :
Yes, Faith. And that is the Problem Science has.

Student :
Professor, is there such a thing as Heat?
Professor :
Yes.
Student :
And is there such a thing as Cold?
Professor :
Yes.
Student :
No, sir. There isn't.

(The Lecture Theatre became very quiet with this turn of events )


Student :
Sir, you can have Lots of Heat, even More Heat, Superheat, Mega Heat, White Heat,
a Little Heat or No Heat.
But we don't have anything called Cold.
We can hit 458 Degrees below Zero which is No Heat, but we can't go any further after
that. There is no such thing as Cold. Cold is only a Word we use to describe the absence of Heat. We cannot Measure Cold. Heat is Energy.
Cold is Not the Opposite of Heat, sir, just the Absence of it.


(There was Pin-Drop Silence in the Lecture Theatre )


Student :
What about Darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as Darkness?
Professor :
Yes. What is Night if there isn't Darkness?
Student :
You're wrong again, sir.
Darkness is the Absence of Something
You can have Low Light, Normal Light, Bright Light, Flashing Light . . .
But if you have No Light constantly, you have nothing and its called Darkness, isn't it?
In reality, Darkness isn't.
If it is, were you would be able to make Darkness Darker, wouldn't you?
Professor :
So what is the point you are making, Young Man ?
Student :
Sir, my point is your Philosophical Premise is flawed.
Professor :
Flawed ? Can you explain how?
Student :
Sir, you are working on the Premise of Duality.
You argue there is Life and then there is Death, a Good GOD and a Bad GOD.
You are viewing the Concept of GOD as something finite, something we can measure.
Sir, Science can't even explain a Thought.
It uses Electricity and Magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one.
To view Death as the Opposite of Life is to be ignorant of the fact that
Death cannot exist as a Substantive Thing.

Death is Not the Opposite of Life: just the Absence of it.
Now tell me, Professor, do you teach your Students that they evolved from a Monkey?
Professor :
If you are referring to the Natural Evolutionary Process, yes, of course, I do.
Student :
Have you ever observed Evolution with your own eyes, sir?

(The Professor shook his head with a Smile, beginning to realize where the Argument was going )


Student :
Since no one has ever observed the Process of Evolution at work and
Cannot even prove that this Process is an On-Going Endeavor,
Are you not teaching your Opinion, sir?
Are you not a Scientist but a Preacher?


Student :
Is there anyone here who has ever seen the Professor's brain?

(Everyone broke out into Laughter )


Student :
Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor's brain, Felt it, touched or

Smelt it? . . .
No one appears to have done so.

So, according to the Established Rules of Empirical, Stable, Demonstrable Protocol,
Science says that You have No Brain, sir.
With all due respect, sir, how do we then Trust your Lectures, sir?


(The Room was Silent. The Professor stared at the Student, his face unfathomable)


Professor :
I guess you'll have to take them on Faith, son.
Student :
That is it sir . . . Exactly !
The Link between Man & GOD is FAITH.
That is all that Keeps Things Alive and Moving.

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#2 Hey_Jay
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I'll have to retract one of my statements in one of the other threads.

THIS is the coolest thing I've heard all day. :lol:

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#3 torontomapleafs
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That actually was a good read. That teacher got owned.
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#4 gun65
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Dang that was awesome :lol:
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#5 NetYankEagle
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i read the second word and then stoped:|
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#6 Zcrimson07
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i would be amazed if that was an actual thing but it is kinda funny/interesting
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#7 willtsherman
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YA GO STUDENT!!!!!!!!
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#8 DivergeUnify
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Pretty cool
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#9 Serraph105
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cool i always love it whem people lay down the ownage with facts i kinda have a feeling this never happened but still
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#10 NSR34GTR
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brilliant read
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Little smart-mouthed punk.
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#12 DarkPrinceXC
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I laughed. :)
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#13 Serraph105
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wow this thread exploded all at once
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#14 Purplex777
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I read this convo through a forward mail I got frm my friend.. pretty impressive I guess.. mmhmm
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#15 6_volts
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That was amazing! wow...
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#16 cool_baller
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First of all that never happened. Secondly Albert Einstein didnt say that, because he spoke German. Thirdly we didn't evolve from monkeys, so the Professor is stupid for teaching that.
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#17 stormtrooper32
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Wow, that was some pretty awesome ownage.
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#18 AAllxxjjnn
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Totally fake.
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#19 OrangeTurtle472
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First of all that never happened. Secondly Albert Einstein didnt say that, because he spoke German. Thirdly we didn't evolve from monkeys, so the Professor is stupid for teaching that.cool_baller

First of all, you can't assume that. Second of all, it's obviously been translated. Thirdly, I know.

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#21 needled24-7
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Yeah but the student's analogy isn't very good because the professor wouldn't have been able to live if he didn't have a brain.
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#22 noswear
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Einstein did not say this. And it's not a great argument anyway.
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#23 blackmagesm
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That is an urban legend

http://www.snopes.com/religion/einstein.asp

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#24 OrangeTurtle472
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Thanks everyone for your comments! :) At first, I was nervous to make this thread, but now I see that it will be hot in a positive way! :D
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#25 avataraang1
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Romance explosion
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#26 JetB1ackNewYear
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ahha nice i read this before a while back but a good read once again God
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#27 Jdog30
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i for one read that whole thing, i dont think i've ever read that big of a wall of text on gamespot before, but that was interesting enough to keep reading.
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#28 cyberdarkkid
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That is one of the best things I have ever read in my life :)
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#29 jimmyjammer69
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I heard this was actually a translation from Arabic about Allah.
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#30 R0cky_Racc00n
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Very inspirational but it sounds nothing like a made up incident.
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#31 Lief_Ericson
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that was great

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#32 napp123
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Why do atheists always think they're right and to make sure everbody else know that they think they know thier right
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#33 OrangeTurtle472
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That is one of the best things I have ever read in my life :)cyberdarkkid

Thanks! that makes the TC happy too :D

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#34 Vandalvideo
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"Professor of philosophy" Theres your problem right there. A science teacher would have smacked that down so fast.
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#35 jimmyjammer69
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Reminds me of the proof for santa in Miracle on 34th Street.
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#36 OrangeTurtle472
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By the way everyone, I took off the einstein part if it makes you happier... because even im not sure about that. once again, i did not write this, so you dont have to correct me or anyting :D thanks!
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#37 Diablo112688
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Good read, but he says there is no heat and no cold... then he says that there IS heat. He contradicts himself no?
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#38 SynysterFreak
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That was a good read. The professor just got his facts thrown in his face.
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#39 7guns
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That was good.:)
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#40 stedtfeld
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Yeah it would be so much cooler if the student made sense.
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#41 whitechocolate_
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Yeah it would be so much cooler if the student made sense.stedtfeld

The student meade perfect sense.

You don't have to agree with him whatsoever, but don't try and sound all smart by saying he didn't make sense when he did.

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#42 Lockedge
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Gotta love philosophy. :D

Although that prof is pretty questionable. I thought everyone knew that "cold" and "darkness" don't exist. :S Could have skipped that entire rebuttal by using common sense. Also, why would a philosophy teacher be in charge of teaching students evolution? I mean philosophy definitely touches on life and how we've gotten where we are, but pretty much every philosophy teacher I've met explores all (valid) options and ideas.

Kind of weak argument by the prof in the first place.

Still interesting story, even if it's blatantly a fictional story.

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#43 Strider_91
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Interesting read actually
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#44 AAllxxjjnn
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Why do atheists always think they're right and to make sure everbody else know that they think they know thier rightnapp123

You could say the same about religious people.

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#45 Lockedge
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[QUOTE="stedtfeld"]Yeah it would be so much cooler if the student made sense.whitechocolate_

The student meade perfect sense.

You don't have to agree with him whatsoever, but don't try and sound all smart by saying he didn't make sense when he did.

To be honest, neither side made a decent argument. The student made a nice rebuttal to the professor's terrible argument(at least, once he brought science into the discussion), but the student's argument was pretty weaksauce.

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#46 stevenk4k5
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Nice read.
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#47 MoldOnHold
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Ah, that was a good read indeed.
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#48 GrandTheftHalo
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Science has proof. Religion does not.

/thread

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#49 pink_floyd123
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Tl; dr, but for a reason. This is blatantly biased "Christian: Sir, polite words and light tone of voice. Atheist: HEY DUMBASS YOU ARE A GAY DOUCHE".
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#50 GetEnTheKitchen
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Best religious thread ever.

Student owns.