Abortion is discussed on the Daily Show with Mike Huckabee...

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The only reason abortion should only be even remotely thought of as an option is during a situation where the woman gets raped. This is because if they allow the child to be born, that child is going to grow up a very angry person.

Even during a circumstance such as that, I would think it would be a VERY difficult decision to have to make. I mean you are killing your child.

The video is split into 3 parts, the link starts with the first.

What are your thoughts?

My thoughts? Removing a clump of cells≠≠killing a child.Darth-Caedus

My thoughts? Removing a clump of cells≠≠killing a child.Darth-Caedus

My thoughts? Removing a clump of cells≠≠killing a child.Darth-Caedus

My thoughts? Removing a clump of cells≠≠killing a child.Darth-Caedus

[He] speaketh the truth!

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The only reason abortion should only be even remotely thought of as an option is during a situation where the woman gets raped. This is because if they allow the child to be born, that child is going to grow up a very angry person.

Even during a circumstance such as that, I would think it would be a VERY difficult decision to have to make. I mean you are killing your child.

The video is split into 3 parts, the link starts with the first.

What are your thoughts?

Trmpt

Who are you to say (s)he will grow up to be an angry person? Even so, would this person rather be dead than angry?

At what point does a child really become a child? Is it when an egg is fertilized? Or when brain function starts? When it is birthed? I prefer to think that a child is only really human once they've passed the age of five. Up until then, abortion is a very valuable tool to weed out the worst. On top of that, it can be used to make a point to any potentially disruptive children.ConformestClone

So... This is not a child?

Life begins at the moment of conception. You can pretty much see my views by reading that statementOblivionfan10

[QUOTE="ConformestClone"]At what point does a child really become a child? Is it when an egg is fertilized? Or when brain function starts? When it is birthed? I prefer to think that a child is only really human once they've passed the age of five. Up until then, abortion is a very valuable tool to weed out the worst. On top of that, it can be used to make a point to any potentially disruptive children.McJugga

So... This is not a child?

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The only reason abortion should only be even remotely thought of as an option is during a situation where the woman gets raped. This is because if they allow the child to be born, that child is going to grow up a very angry person.

Trmpt

That's a load of crap. There are all sorts of reasons why a child might be angry at his parents. If abortion is based on a child simply being angry at his/her parents, then we're back to square one, where any woman (at least in the USA) can still get an abortion.

The anti-abortion movement focuses on one thing, the sanctity of human life. And if they are right, that each new life deserves a chance to be born, then that is not affected AT ALL by whether or not the mother was raped.

And if you bring up the standard "rape exception" point about the mother's mental state, then that's still tricky as hell. If she doesn't want to raise the child, can't she just put it up for adoption the same way that anti-abortion advocates think that EVERY OTHER abortion seeker should put their kids up for adoption?

And if abortion is "murder", and rape victims are allowed to "murder" their "children" in order to spare the mother from the emotional trauma of carrying her rapist's child for nine months, then once again we're back to square one. The woman's "feelings" are justification for "murdering" a "person". In which case, we're STILL left with the situation in which it's okay to murder babies as long as the mom has a reason for not wanting it. And if we're going that route, then we're right back to abortions for every woman who wants one.

The only reason abortion should only be even remotely thought of as an option is during a situation where the woman gets raped. This is because if they allow the child to be born, that child is going to grow up a very angry person.Trmpt

[QUOTE="ConformestClone"]At what point does a child really become a child? Is it when an egg is fertilized? Or when brain function starts? When it is birthed? I prefer to think that a child is only really human once they've passed the age of five. Up until then, abortion is a very valuable tool to weed out the worst. On top of that, it can be used to make a point to any potentially disruptive children.McJugga

So... This is not a child?

IMHO an unthinking mass of cells is not qualified as human life.

I am sure I will have some anti-abortion person spitting that humans are only defined by their dna at this comment (ironically devaluing human life in the process)

[QUOTE="ConformestClone"]At what point does a child really become a child? Is it when an egg is fertilized? Or when brain function starts? When it is birthed? I prefer to think that a child is only really human once they've passed the age of five. Up until then, abortion is a very valuable tool to weed out the worst. On top of that, it can be used to make a point to any potentially disruptive children.Trmpt

1. Weed out the weak. Survival of the fittest, and thus natural selection. Evolution at work, with a little kick in the pants.

2. Keep them on their toes. "Did you hear? Little Jimmy got killed for refusing to clean his room without Ice Cream?! You better start doing what your parents want!"

[QUOTE="Trmpt"][QUOTE="ConformestClone"]At what point does a child really become a child? Is it when an egg is fertilized? Or when brain function starts? When it is birthed? I prefer to think that a child is only really human once they've passed the age of five. Up until then, abortion is a very valuable tool to weed out the worst. On top of that, it can be used to make a point to any potentially disruptive children.ConformestClone

1. Weed out the week. Survival of the fittest, and thus natural selection. Evolution at work, with a little kick in the pants.

2. Keep them on their toes. "Did you hear? Little Jimmy got killed for refusing to clean his room without Ice Cream?! You better start doing what your parents want!"

[QUOTE="Trmpt"][QUOTE="ConformestClone"]At what point does a child really become a child? Is it when an egg is fertilized? Or when brain function starts? When it is birthed? I prefer to think that a child is only really human once they've passed the age of five. Up until then, abortion is a very valuable tool to weed out the worst. On top of that, it can be used to make a point to any potentially disruptive children.ConformestClone

1. Weed out the weak. Survival of the fittest, and thus natural selection. Evolution at work, with a little kick in the pants.

2. Keep them on their toes. "Did you hear? Little Jimmy got killed for refusing to clean his room without Ice Cream?! You better start doing what your parents want!"

[QUOTE="ConformestClone"]

[QUOTE="Trmpt"] Are you serious? You would actually go an kill a 1-4 year old for no reason? Trmpt

1. Weed out the weak. Survival of the fittest, and thus natural selection. Evolution at work, with a little kick in the pants.

2. Keep them on their toes. "Did you hear? Little Jimmy got killed for refusing to clean his room without Ice Cream?! You better start doing what your parents want!"

[QUOTE="Trmpt"][QUOTE="ConformestClone"] No. My reasons are to...

1. Weed out the weak. Survival of the fittest, and thus natural selection. Evolution at work, with a little kick in the pants.

2. Keep them on their toes. "Did you hear? Little Jimmy got killed for refusing to clean his room without Ice Cream?! You better start doing what your parents want!"

ConformestClone

Your saying that if we killed off all of the disobedient people during a young age eventually only the obedient will be left.

Sounds a lot like what Hitler was trying to accomplish.

[QUOTE="ConformestClone"][QUOTE="Trmpt"] Your saying that you never refused to clean your room without ice cream? Riiiiiiiight.Trmpt

Your saying that if we killed off all of the disobedient people during a young age eventually only the obedient will be left.

Sounds a lot like what Hitler was trying to accomplish.

I am against it, but at the same time, I am against having my views forced on others. I think it should be the individuals choice.

Hucakabee is wrong when he says that if a fetus is a human life, the constitution grants them the same protection as everyone else.

The 14th Amendment:

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

The constitution, as is, does not protect the rights of the unborn.

The only reason abortion should only be even remotely thought of as an option is during a situation where the woman gets raped. This is because if they allow the child to be born, that child is going to grow up a very angry person.

Even during a circumstance such as that, I would think it would be a VERY difficult decision to have to make. I mean you are killing your child.

The video is split into 3 parts, the link starts with the first.

What are your thoughts?

Trmpt

I;m against widespread abortion (for convienience/economical reasons, it's pure evil egoism to me), but to allow abortion only after rape? What if pregnancy endangers woman's life/health? You can't demand selfsacrifice from people, not like this. Abortion in those cases is nothing but a version of self defense, a right every human has.

Stop with your nonsense. Abortion is primarily at the discression of the mother, not some idealistic keyboard warrior.clembo1990

[QUOTE="Darth-Caedus"]My thoughts? Removing a clump of cells≠≠killing a child.rusty_armor1

Are you sure about that?

[QUOTE="clembo1990"]Stop with your nonsense. Abortion is primarily at the discression of the mother, not some idealistic keyboard warrior.T_P_O

[QUOTE="T_P_O"][QUOTE="clembo1990"]Stop with your nonsense. Abortion is primarily at the discression of the mother, not some idealistic keyboard warrior.clembo1990

Pro-choice is what I am. It would be absurd ifabortions were outlawed (which they will never be, in North America). Abortions are medical procedures that should be left to the paitent, doctor, and anyone else who either of those see fit. Putting a political legislation before medical concerns is reactionary. In the case of abortions, it would also undermine womens rights, and the authority of medical doctors.

not my choice as i am a man. i always find it hilarious when men at the forefront of this debateBayAreaX

Alright only 1 page in and it's starting to get hot in this thread... Nothing sparks a good show like abortion or religion... Let the pop corn munching begin! ferrari2001

not my choice as i am a man. i always find it hilarious when men at the forefront of this debateBayAreaX

My thoughts? Removing a clump of cells≠≠killing a child.Darth-Caedus

[QUOTE="clembo1990"][QUOTE="T_P_O"] This, and include the males into that. And why are you guys still arguing this in America?T_P_O

So what is the pro abortion argument? That the woman's bodily rights are greater than the child's/fetus? Or that human life does not begin until a certain point and thus abortion is not killing a living thing?

Those are two different arguments. One is about rights/personal choice and the other is about the definition of life.

My thoughts? Removing a clump of cells≠≠killing a child.Darth-Caedus

We are all a bunch of cells.

BTW, red text totally means im right

A child being born is inevitable, just like it is inevitable that a child becomes an adult... actually a child being born from a pregency is more likely then a child becoming an adult. All abortion is... is just a way to remove those who are not wanted, it is a new type of discrimination.

EDIT: oh yes, and I also disagree with abortion from rape, it is still discrimination, everyone should have a chance at life... im not going to judge an actual person for being a product of rape and nor do I expect anyone else to do the same

Either way, I find it ironic that when a pregent women dies in the news it is considered of more importance then if she wasnt pregent... pathetic