About the CT shooting, does anyone else find it most disturbing that...

...the only reason people are as outraged about it as they are is because it was a massacre not sanctioned by the state? If 18 children were murdered in a Pakistani schoolhouse by a drone, the mainstream media wouldn't report on it, and partially as a byproduct of this and a by product of what can only amount to statism, people would go about their daily lives not batting an eyelash. Statism has a horrifically dehumanizing effect on how we perceive other human beings that are not American. I felt sick to my stomach watching Obama hold back tears when giving an address on the matter. Real or fake, he's sanctioned the murder of more innocent lives overseas by drone attacks than any other president, and yet has the audacity to maintain through action that the lives lost overseas as a direct result of our country's incompetence are somehow not as important as those lost over here.

I'm not at all trying to devalue the situation in CT, not in the least. What happened yesterday was abhorrent, and we should all be sending our thoughts and prayers out to those affected or even in the community -- however, to apply such grief and issue such attention to this incident, and brush off the United States sanctioned murder that has been a trademark of both of the last two presidential candidates isn't only inconsistent, it's a borderline psychiatric disorder that has somehow slid under the table, and is recognized only by those most would call "anti-patriotic." I have nothing but love for my country, however, which is why I'm so concerned about the general lack of ethics with which we operate.

Your thoughts?

Can't really care about things you dont know about. If the media doesn't cover it people dont think about it. Looks like you have an issue with the media, not with statism.

CT will be in our hearts and minds because of the coverage. Yet young kids used to die daily because of gang violence in the 90s. But it was an inner city, minority issue. I few months back NY had an issue where lil kids were being killed every week in black neighborhoods from stray gun fire. But, out of site out of mind. When a tredgy like this happens in a wealthy, white, suburban neighborhood, everyone pays attention

Can't really care about things you dont know about. If the media doesn't cover it people dont think about it. Looks like you have an issue with the media, not with statism.Diablo-B

I'm pretty sure that it's been known for a while now that there's a "ranking" of violent crimes in the U.S. from most likely to be reported to least likely to be reported, based on who gets killed (young white females being murdered are far more likely to be reported all over the place than the same thing happening to a male from any minority group, for example). This is a sociological effect that applies to pretty much every nation in the world.

I find your inability to differentiate between the two instances to be disturbing.

I find your inability to differentiate between the two instances to be disturbing.

Cloud_Insurance

[QUOTE="Cloud_Insurance"]

I find your inability to differentiate between the two instances to be disturbing.

jamejame

[QUOTE="Cloud_Insurance"]

I find your inability to differentiate between the two instances to be disturbing.

jamejame

lol

I find your inability to differentiate between the two instances to be disturbing.

Cloud_Insurance

[QUOTE="Cloud_Insurance"]

I find your inability to differentiate between the two instances to be disturbing.

jamejame

off is the general direction in which you should fvck

lolCloud_Insurance

off is the general direction in which you should fvckwis3boi

Care to elaborate, either of you?

but in both cases innocent children are murdered what is the difference? Location... That's kinda tcs point...jeremiah06

I think there is a huge difference between an innocent person dying accidentally as the result of a drone strike and an innocent being executed on purpose.

I find your inability to differentiate between the two instances to be disturbing.

Cloud_Insurance

[QUOTE="jeremiah06"]

but in both cases innocent children are murdered what is the difference? Location... That's kinda tcs point...Cloud_Insurance

I think there is a huge difference between an innocent person dying accidentally as the result of a drone strike and an innocent being executed on purpose.

[QUOTE="Cloud_Insurance"]

I find your inability to differentiate between the two instances to be disturbing.

jeremiah06

[QUOTE="Cloud_Insurance"]loljamejame

off is the general direction in which you should fvckwis3boi

Care to elaborate, either of you?

Not really no. Either you created this topic because you're an idiot and can't see the difference or you're playing dumb and did it to troll. Either way, not really worth the time getting into a protracted discussion.

[QUOTE="jeremiah06"]

but in both cases innocent children are murdered what is the difference? Location... That's kinda tcs point...Cloud_Insurance

I think there is a huge difference between an innocent person dying accidentally as the result of a drone strike and an innocent being executed on purpose.

especially since they revealed that many of the kids killed had 10-20 gunshot wounds each....

[QUOTE="Socialist696"][QUOTE="Cloud_Insurance"]

I find your inability to differentiate between the two instances to be disturbing.

Cloud_Insurance

Ah, the Hitler youth has arrived.

You know the third reich collapsed a few decades ago, right?

[QUOTE="Cloud_Insurance"]

[QUOTE="jeremiah06"]

but in both cases innocent children are murdered what is the difference? Location... That's kinda tcs point...Socialist696

I think there is a huge difference between an innocent person dying accidentally as the result of a drone strike and an innocent being executed on purpose.

The difference is the U.S. does not intentionally send drone strikes to target and kill children. Unfortunately some innocent people have been killed by drone strikes, yes, but that doesn't make it the same as an adult going into a classroom and gunning down innocent 5-6 year olds. Saying "death is death" is ignorant of the situation and if you can't see past that you need to seriously reconsider your perspective on things.

[QUOTE="Socialist696"][QUOTE="Cloud_Insurance"]

I think there is a huge difference between an innocent person dying accidentally as the result of a drone strike and an innocent being executed on purpose.

Vari3ty

The difference is the U.S. does not intentionally send drone strikes to target and kill children. Unfortunately some innocent people have been killed by drone strikes, yes, but that doesn't make it the same as an adult going into a classroom and gunning down innocent 5-6 year olds. Saying "death is death" is ignorant of the situation and if you can't see past that you need to seriously reconsider your perspective on things.

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[QUOTE="Socialist696"] Whats the difference? Death is death. If a drone commits it, from our nation by sanction, is it any better silly?Socialist696

The difference is the U.S. does not intentionally send drone strikes to target and kill children. Unfortunately some innocent people have been killed by drone strikes, yes, but that doesn't make it the same as an adult going into a classroom and gunning down innocent 5-6 year olds. Saying "death is death" is ignorant of the situation and if you can't see past that you need to seriously reconsider your perspective on things.

It has, yes. That's the unfortunate side of war.

I think it involves intent. The end result is the same, but we tend to look more unfavorably upon intent. Drone strikes are not targetting children. Some do get killed in them, but that's not the intent of the triggerman. In this school shooting, this person didnt go there to kill adults and the children happened to be in the way. He specifically shot the children.

[QUOTE="Vari3ty"]

[QUOTE="Socialist696"] Whats the difference? Death is death. If a drone commits it, from our nation by sanction, is it any better silly?Socialist696

The difference is the U.S. does not intentionally send drone strikes to target and kill children. Unfortunately some innocent people have been killed by drone strikes, yes, but that doesn't make it the same as an adult going into a classroom and gunning down innocent 5-6 year olds. Saying "death is death" is ignorant of the situation and if you can't see past that you need to seriously reconsider your perspective on things.

[QUOTE="Socialist696"][QUOTE="Vari3ty"]

The difference is the U.S. does not intentionally send drone strikes to target and kill children. Unfortunately some innocent people have been killed by drone strikes, yes, but that doesn't make it the same as an adult going into a classroom and gunning down innocent 5-6 year olds. Saying "death is death" is ignorant of the situation and if you can't see past that you need to seriously reconsider your perspective on things.

Vari3ty

It has, yes. That's the unfortunate side of war.

I mean, lets be real if the government can find Bin Laden, coordinate massive military operations, and manage a whole war-torn region effectively they can determine casualties as the result of their drone strikes right?Socialist696

Government can also be shockingly inept.

[QUOTE="Socialist696"]I mean, lets be real if the government can find Bin Laden, coordinate massive military operations, and manage a whole war-torn region effectively they can determine casualties as the result of their drone strikes right?Vari3ty

Government can also be shockingly inept.

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[QUOTE="Cloud_Insurance"]

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]off is the general direction in which you should fvckCloud_Insurance

Care to elaborate, either of you?

Not really no. Either you created this topic because you're an idiot and can't see the difference or you're playing dumb and did it to troll. Either way, not really worth the time getting into a protracted discussion.

[QUOTE="Shottayouth13-"] No kidding. Whats any better? How many kids have the American government killed even if it wasn't planned? You're hypocritical[QUOTE="Cloud_Insurance"] Just as I find you're stupidity in other threads disturbing, but we get by right?Socialist696

Ah, the Hitler youth has arrived.

You know the third reich collapsed a few decades ago, right?

It might just have something to do with the the circumstances involving the killings...things like premeditation, intent. Not my problem that you can't tell the difference between collateral damage civilian deaths that are the result of military action against an opposing force and a gunman slaughtering children.

Although it does worry me that people such as yourself not only are allowed to own firearms in this country but apparently have a strong desire to use them on people. In my limited time since returning to this forum I have found your posts to be particularly disturbing. Aweek or so ago you were supporting the execution of an intruder in your own home who had already been incapacitated and deemed to be no longer a threat. Combine this with your strong hate and distrust with the government and you come across as the typical crackpot gun nut with a bloodlust.

But in terms of the drone strikes, I think they are unjust for other reasons. Not just for collateral damage, but for a circumvention of the justice system. If we consider ourselves to be a nation of laws and justice, then we need to act like one.

But in terms of the drone strikes, I think they are unjust for other reasons. Not just for collateral damage, but for a circumvention of the justice system. If we consider ourselves to be a nation of laws and justice, then we need to act like one.

sonicare

[QUOTE="Cloud_Insurance"]

[QUOTE="jeremiah06"]

but in both cases innocent children are murdered what is the difference? Location... That's kinda tcs point...wis3boi

I think there is a huge difference between an innocent person dying accidentally as the result of a drone strike and an innocent being executed on purpose.

especially since they revealed that many of the kids killed had 10-20 gunshot wounds each....

[QUOTE="Socialist696"][QUOTE="Shottayouth13-"]

Ah, the Hitler youth has arrived.

You know the third reich collapsed a few decades ago, right?

Cloud_Insurance

It might just have something to do with the the circumstances involving the killings...things like premeditation, intent. Not my problem that you can't tell the difference between collateral damage civilian deaths that are the result of military action against an opposing force and a gunman slaughtering children.

Although it does worry me that people such as yourself not only are allowed to own firearms in this country but apparently have a strong desire to use them on people. In my limited time since returning to this forum I have found your posts to be particularly disturbing. Aweek or so ago you were supporting the execution of an intruder in your own home who had already been incapacitated and deemed to be no longer a threat. Combine this with your strong hate and distrust with the government and you come across as the typical crackpot gun nut with a bloodlust.

EDIT: I, coolbeans90 have had my sock account hacked. Please ban my main account and unban Banjo_Kongfooie.

Myself? Ha. Instead of judging me by my GS name - which stands for a novel in which socialism is a prominent issue - look beyond the indicators. You have bashed my views in the past but are my views that much different than the average American citizen? No, they're not I just voice it without fear of rejection. Regardless of my GS name, these drone killings are no more better than the gunmans killings because Death is death, no matter what the justificiation. War is war, but what does war solve? How can one be looked at as better than the rest, an example, if we solve death by dealing death?Socialist696

When you are finished with your philosophical rants and can handle having a discussion about the real world, let me know. Until then, peace.

I found it funny and laughed my ass off when I heard it happen. NarcissistLoser

Pretty pathetic that he would sink to such lows to troll you all. I suggest the mods unban me and ban coolbeans90 (the ultimate troll of gamespot).

[QUOTE="Socialist696"]

Myself? Ha. Instead of judging me by my GS name - which stands for a novel in which socialism is a prominent issue - look beyond the indicators. You have bashed my views in the past but are my views that much different than the average American citizen? No, they're not I just voice it without fear of rejection. Regardless of my GS name, these drone killings are no more better than the gunmans killings because Death is death, no matter what the justificiation. War is war, but what does war solve? How can one be looked at as better than the rest, an example, if we solve death by dealing death?Cloud_Insurance

When you are finished with your philosophical rants and can handle having a discussion about the real world, let me know. Until then, peace.

So, instead of blindly BASHING you cloud, I'll resolve with this. I kindly disagree with your statements, because a drone still has a human controlling it, with intel and geography of what its targeting, with lives being aimed at. If the US is so blatantly keen on taking lives, we shouldn't act so shocked when lives of our kin are taken in vain just as we take the lives of our enemies - or better yet, suspected enemies.Socialist696

On paper the sentiment towards either should be equal. Of course though we're not allowed to be agrieved by those actions in Pakistan or wherever, which are rationalised as merely an unfortunate by-product of war which we're supposed to be supporting. The difference though is the confusion over the why and how such events as school shootings occur. Wheras any emotion over the former can be attenuated a fair bit by some notion of 'greater good', the latter is/was merely senseless, and if such a senselss act can happen there, it can happen to your kids too.

But in terms of the drone strikes, I think they are unjust for other reasons. Not just for collateral damage, but for a circumvention of the justice system. If we consider ourselves to be a nation of laws and justice, then we need to act like one.

sonicare

The issue is these children were in a community that was supposed to be safe. Your examples are in war zones, hostile territory. Casualties of war, sad to say. When children die in a shooting at a school, which is supposed to be one of the safest places for them to be, it's more shocking; it's not supposed to happen. So no, I don't find your subject to be disturbing. JustPlainLucas

[QUOTE="jeremiah06"][QUOTE="Cloud_Insurance"]

I find your inability to differentiate between the two instances to be disturbing.

Diablo-B