About the CT shooting, does anyone else find it most disturbing that...

What the hell has this turned into?

jamejame

Cute and you ignore the rest lol. For someone so obssesed with others ignoring what you write you sure have no problem playing the ignorant yourself.kuraimen

If you feel that way, you may respost what I didn't answer. I'm getting close to a page of stuff you've ignored.

But anyways, like I said, massacres are not something that gets easy public exposure so the several ones I've found I think are a big percentage.

kuraimen

How do you know that?

If you want to dispute the statement of majority you just have to find more where the perpetrators got harsh sentences.

kuraimen

No I don't. I'm not trying to prove the opposite. I'm simply asking that you write a proper argument. Once you do (fat chance of that), I'll ask the #3 on that list I posted a long time ago: How does the United States' conduct in war differ from others?

Remember you still have to prove that everyone here holds me in contempt also.kuraimen

For someone who writes so much, you sure as sh!t can't read. I already addressed this. Shall I repost that quote block?

[QUOTE="jamejame"]

What the hell has this turned into?

kuraimen

Because your response is dumb even for you. You claimed everyone so man up and prove that everyone helds me in contempt here.kuraimen

I just admitted I cannot prove that. And your response is to tell me to man up and prove it.

What?

Answer this:

You accused me of "hearing voices" because I said "several people" were laughing at you, while you claimed there were only two. If I can find more than two people openly criticizing you, will you admit this statement above was incorrect, and quit the argument? I am making a bet with you. The bet is that I can find more than two people in this thread laughing at you. The wager is that the loser will admit he f*cked up and quit the argument. Do you accept, or would you like to alter the wager?

I

Answer this:

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]On your character and the kind of person you are. Not a very honest one I must say.I

Oh, I'm not honest. Show me the quote block where I'm being dishonest.

[QUOTE="jamejame"]

What the hell has this turned into?

kuraimen

I'm getting close to a page of stuff you've ignored.Palantas

No I don't. I'm not trying to prove the opposite.Palantas

I already addressed this.Palantas

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="jamejame"]

What the hell has this turned into?

jamejame

I just admitted I cannot prove that.Palantas

[QUOTE="I"]I'm getting close to a page of stuff you've ignored.kuraimen

Is that another one of your delusions?

Let's see how much space this takes up...

Answer this...

An analysis of the case would be something like this:

1. List of the soldiers involved.
2. An account of what each soldier supposedly did.
3. A description of the evidence presented against each one of them.
4. The sentences they each received.
5. Why these sentences were disproportionate to their crimes.

If a dozen people are involved in a given crime, it does not necessarily follow that they all share the same level of guilt. If you want to say that they are, then you have to make that case. Why do I have to explain this?

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Tell you what, if I fill in the blanks I listed up there, will you admit that you've done a piss poor job of researching this, since I was able to accomplish something you were not?

This is in regard to a single case, not your overall theory of leniency in military justice. This is a single case. To make your overall claim with authority, you would need to have analyzed dozens of cases. Surely you can analyze a single case, can you not? Or do you need me to do it for you?

...

Answer this:

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]On your character and the kind of person you are. Not a very honest one I must say.I

Oh, I'm not honest. Show me the quote block where I'm being dishonest.

...

Answer this:

You accused me of "hearing voices" because I said "several people" were laughing at you, while you claimed there were only two. If I can find more than two people openly criticizing you, will you admit this statement above was incorrect, and quit the argument? I am making a bet with you. The bet is that I can find more than two people in this thread laughing at you. The wager is that the loser will admit he f*cked up and quit the argument. Do you accept, or would you like to alter the wager?

I'm at 1600x900, and that takes up about a page. So tell me, how was I delusional? (There's another question that probably won't be answered.)

[QUOTE="I"]I just admitted I cannot prove that.kuraimen

Oh, like "US military personnel accused of atrocities get off lightly"? How would you possible prove that, other than stating some incidents and giving your impression of things? That's what I did with saying everyone holds you in contempt, but I admit, that's not proof, not in a logical sense. So tell me how you will prove something that's vastly more complex than a forum's attitudes towards a person.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]

[QUOTE="I"]

Is that another one of your delusions?

Palantas

Let's see how much space this takes up...

Answer this...

An analysis of the case would be something like this:

1. List of the soldiers involved.
2. An account of what each soldier supposedly did.
3. A description of the evidence presented against each one of them.
4. The sentences they each received.
5. Why these sentences were disproportionate to their crimes.

If a dozen people are involved in a given crime, it does not necessarily follow that they all share the same level of guilt. If you want to say that they are, then you have to make that case. Why do I have to explain this?

...

Tell you what, if I fill in the blanks I listed up there, will you admit that you've done a piss poor job of researching this, since I was able to accomplish something you were not?

This is in regard to a single case, not your overall theory of leniency in military justice. This is a single case. To make your overall claim with authority, you would need to have analyzed dozens of cases. Surely you can analyze a single case, can you not? Or do you need me to do it for you?

...

Answer this:

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]On your character and the kind of person you are. Not a very honest one I must say.I

Oh, I'm not honest. Show me the quote block where I'm being dishonest.

...

Answer this:

You accused me of "hearing voices" because I said "several people" were laughing at you, while you claimed there were only two. If I can find more than two people openly criticizing you, will you admit this statement above was incorrect, and quit the argument? I am making a bet with you. The bet is that I can find more than two people in this thread laughing at you. The wager is that the loser will admit he f*cked up and quit the argument. Do you accept, or would you like to alter the wager?

I'm at 1600x900, and that takes up about a page. So tell me, how was I delusional? (There's another question that probably won't be answered.)

[QUOTE="I"]No I don't. I'm not trying to prove the opposite.kuraimen

I have no agenda here. You do, therefore the onus is on you to make your case. Your "case" has involved 30 seconds of Googling.

QUOTE="Palantas"]I already addressed this.

Identify which part of my statement was dumb.

You imagining I ignore stuff doesn't mean I ignore stuff it just means you're a lousy debater...kuraimen

I wonder if you actually believe this sh!t you write. I asked several specific questions. This does not answer any of them. I will repost them, I guess.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="I"]I just admitted I cannot prove that.Palantas

Oh, like "US military personnel accused of atrocities get off lightly"? How would you possible prove that, other than stating some incidents and giving your impression of things? That's what I did with saying everyone holds you in contempt, but I admit, that's not proof, not in a logical sense. So tell me how you will prove something that's vastly more complex than a forum's attitudes towards a person.

Answer this:

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]On your character and the kind of person you are. Not a very honest one I must say.I

Oh, I'm not honest. Show me the quote block where I'm being dishonest.

Answer this:

You accused me of "hearing voices" because I said "several people" were laughing at you, while you claimed there were only two. If I can find more than two people openly criticizing you, will you admit this statement above was incorrect, and quit the argument? I am making a bet with you. The bet is that I can find more than two people in this thread laughing at you. The wager is that the loser will admit he f*cked up and quit the argument. Do you accept, or would you like to alter the wager?

I

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="I"]Oh cute so you agree with me? or you don't have an argument?Palantas

I have no agenda here. You do, therefore the onus is on you to make your case. Your "case" has involved 30 seconds of Googling.

QUOTE="Palantas"]I already addressed this.

Identify which part of my statement was dumb.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]You imagining I ignore stuff doesn't mean I ignore stuff it just means you're a lousy debater...Palantas

I wonder if you actually believe this sh!t you write. I asked several specific questions. This does not answer any of them. I will repost them, I guess.

By showing the pattern of groups of soldiers that went and killed entire families and neighborhoods and the majority went away without punishment or with lenient sentence AKA what I did in this thread...kuraimen

And I showed a pattern of people laughing at you. Define "pattern." How many incidents are required to make a pattern? How many total incidents like this were there? If you answer is "the military keeps stuff classified," then your admitting that you don't have access to the data to make this claim. In that case, it's not proven, not any more than I proved people here think you're a dumbsh!t.

You resposting them doesn't make them any less dumb...kuraimen

Maybe so, but they still remain unanswered.

Answer this:

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]On your character and the kind of person you are. Not a very honest one I must say.I

Oh, I'm not honest. Show me the quote block where I'm being dishonest.

How many incidents are required to make a pattern?Palantas

Everyone has an agenda your seem to be defend the undefendible using dumb semantical arguments.kuraimen

Maybe so. Now identify which part of that statement was "dumb."

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]Everyone has an agenda your seem to be defend the undefendible using dumb semantical arguments.Palantas

Maybe so. Now identify which part of that statement was "dumb."

When most of the incidents show similar results then that's a pattern like in this case.kuraimen

Way to ignore most of the questions. How do you know you've analyzed most of the incidents? I mean, in an hour of arguing, you basically doubled the number of incidents you even knew about. So...how do you know you've got a majority at this point?

Claiming that two posters are enough to adress a statement like "everyone feels contempt towards you". Just a tiny example but you make dumb statements like that pretty often.kuraimen

This is a lie. I never claimed that.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]When most of the incidents show similar results then that's a pattern like in this case.Palantas

Way to ignore most of the questions. How do you know you've analyzed most of the incidents? I mean, in an hour of arguing, you basically doubled the number of incidents you even knew about. So...how do you know you've got a majority at this point?

Because not you or anybody else has shown me more than the ones I've seen. If you can show me more and I can't find more then I'll ackownledge I was mistaking but it seems my initial hunch proved to be right as of yet.kuraimen

I will consider doing this when we have settled these tangental issues. If you won't admit you were wrong about something small, then I have no interest in spending the time to disprove you in a more important argument. So, answer my unanswered questions that I've been posting for a while now, the one about me being dishonest, and the one about me "hearing voices." Then we'll get back to the major debate.

EDIT:

And this:

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]Claiming that two posters are enough to adress a statement like "everyone feels contempt towards you". Just a tiny example but you make dumb statements like that pretty often.I

This is a lie. I never claimed that.

I never claimed that two posters were enough to justify the statement "everyone feels contempt towards you [kuraimen]." I did not say this. You are lying, or you are in error. Admit you are mistaken, or find the quote block where I said this.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]Because not you or anybody else has shown me more than the ones I've seen. If you can show me more and I can't find more then I'll ackownledge I was mistaking but it seems my initial hunch proved to be right as of yet.Palantas

I will consider doing this when we have settled these tangental issues. If you won't admit you were wrong about something small, then I have no interest in spending the time to disprove you in a more important argument. So, answer my unanswered questions that I've been posting for a while now, the one about me being dishonest, and the one about me "hearing voices." Then we'll get back to the major debate.

I never claimed that two posters were enough to justify the statement "everyone feels contempt towards you Palantas

Ok you never said that but you claimed everyone here holds me in contempt which is a lie.kuraimen

No, I admitted that I can't prove that. It may or may not be a lie.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]Ok you never said that but you claimed everyone here holds me in contempt which is a lie.Palantas

No, I admitted that I can't prove that. It may or may not be a lie.

lol congratulations 16 thousand posts of crap.

lol no pal that's not how this works. The original argument was about proving that the US military prosecutions are lenient. Address the original point or fvck off. I have no reason to take you seriously either after all the crap you've written but I'll give you the chance to prove my original statement and evidence wrong. Go ahead, make my day son.kuraimen

No. I'm not going to go do research when you keep ignoring things. I'll repost the things you've ignored.

Also, write down exactly what I need to find to "disprove" your claim.

Well it is a lie...

kuraimen

You're welcome to make that case.

lol congratulations 16 thousand posts of crap.

kuraimen

Whatever dude. I have a lot of great relationships around here.

EDIT: And you're a b!tch. Reading back through the last several posts, I haven't written nearly as many meaningless insults as you have; I should fix this.

Answer this:

An analysis of the case would be something like this:

1. List of the soldiers involved.
2. An account of what each soldier supposedly did.
3. A description of the evidence presented against each one of them.
4. The sentences they each received.
5. Why these sentences were disproportionate to their crimes.

If a dozen people are involved in a given crime, it does not necessarily follow that they all share the same level of guilt. If you want to say that they are, then you have to make that case. Why do I have to explain this?

...

Tell you what, if I fill in the blanks I listed up there, will you admit that you've done a piss poor job of researching this, since I was able to accomplish something you were not?

I

This is in regard to a single case, not your overall theory of leniency in military justice. This is a single case. To make your overall claim with authority, you would need to have analyzed dozens of cases. Surely you can analyze a single case, can you not? Or do you need me to do it for you?

Answer this:

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]On your character and the kind of person you are. Not a very honest one I must say.I

Oh, I'm not honest. Show me the quote block where I'm being dishonest.

Answer this:

You accused me of "hearing voices" because I said "several people" were laughing at you, while you claimed there were only two. If I can find more than two people openly criticizing you, will you admit this statement above was incorrect, and quit the argument? I am making a bet with you. The bet is that I can find more than two people in this thread laughing at you. The wager is that the loser will admit he f*cked up and quit the argument. Do you accept, or would you like to alter the wager?

I

You know you can answer "No, I'd rather not." But you won't even answer the question at all. It's unbelievable.

I'm not going to go do researchPalantas

write down exactly what I need to find to "disprove" your claim.

I have a lot of great relationships around here.Palantas

[QUOTE="I"]I'm not going to go do researchkuraimen

And you have?? How many hours of research have you put into this? How many books have you read on this specific subject. List them.

...and given harsh sentences that are in line with the punishment people deserve for slaughtering innocent people (for comparison you can take spree killers or serial killers since those are the ones closer to that level of atrocity).

kuraimen

Such as? What sort of sentences. You've already determined that military personnel are prosecuted more leniently than civilian personnel, so you must already know this.

I prefer my relationships in the real world.kuraimen

Yeah, I'm sure you're a f*cking stud. What did you say you do for a living again?

But I like some of the posters here although I wouldn't call what I have with them "great relationships". What's your standard for relationships?

kuraimen

The f*ck do you care? You'll answer this post, but not all the other stuff?? There are people I've met online that I would hang out with if they lived near me.

And you have??Palantas

What sort of sentences.Palantas

What did you say you do for a living again?Palantas

Well it's pretty clear I have more info about this than you...kuraimen

How many hours of research have you put into this? What books have you read? List them.

In civilian courts many people get sentenced to death for one murder. In the US military there hasn't been a death sentence since 1961 even though several soldiers have slaughtered entire villages with women and children included. So ok lets say we don't focus on the death sentence but life in prison. Very few of those soldiers involved in this sort of killings get life in prison the vast majority get a few years or even less. My links and evidence proves that. Until you can find more cases than not then I-ll stand by this.kuraimen

Define "serial killer." How many people is that? Discounting the death penalty, what is the average number of years a murderer spends in jail? Also, how many murderers are tried and found not guilty (of murder)? You include soldiers being found guilty of lesser crimes to be them being let off, so naturally you've compared this to civilian rates as well.

[QUOTE="Palantas"]What did you say you do for a living again?kuraimen

You mentioned the real world, not me.

When you claim that military persons accused or murder are let off...

1. Are we just talking about murders of foreign civilians?
2. Are you comparing them to the civilian justice system, or to some other standard you have yet to unveil?
3. Is it your assertion that this leniency for the military is more prevalent in the United States than in other countries?

Answer this:

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]On your character and the kind of person you are. Not a very honest one I must say.I

Oh, I'm not honest. Show me the quote block where I'm being dishonest.

Answer this:

You accused me of "hearing voices" because I said "several people" were laughing at you, while you claimed there were only two. If I can find more than two people openly criticizing you, will you admit this statement above was incorrect, and quit the argument? I am making a bet with you. The bet is that I can find more than two people in this thread laughing at you. The wager is that the loser will admit he f*cked up and quit the argument. Do you accept, or would you like to alter the wager?

I

You know you can answer "No, I'd rather not." But you won't even answer the question at all. It's unbelievable.