About the CT shooting, does anyone else find it most disturbing that...

[QUOTE="Cloud_Insurance"]loljamejame

off is the general direction in which you should fvckwis3boi

Care to elaborate, either of you?

You're just annoying them.

Because Americans only care when it happens to them.

OT.....where a military operations with unintended casualties = a dipsh*t running into a school and targeting 6-7 year olds..... OT you never fail to disappoint me...

The death of cne is a tragedy. The death of millions is just a statisitic.

It is the same in Japan too. Go listen to Yellow Monkey's song JAM.

( lyrics very paraphrased by myself below...)

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Those high rank politicians and evil criminals all used to be children too,

A plane crashes overseas.

The news reporter says happily, "There were no Japanese passengers. There were no Japanese passengers"

What am I supposed to feel about that?

What am I supposed to comment about that?

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Please present your comphrehensive list of military trials and the resultant sentences.

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Oh, so you have an analysis of the case? Break it down for us. Explain who did what and why their sentences were light.

I

Three events... Yours serves as evidence too. Here are other examples mentioned http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2012/2/10/America-war-crime/

kuraimen

So, a single sentence and a link to a newspaper constitutes your "comprehensive list of military trials and the resultant sentences." Well, there you have, it folks.

And actually...point out in my post where I claim there is no evidence.

I

Answer this.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]Yeah well i hace no sympathy for an army that is used to invade countries and murder innocent people around the worldPalantas

So you have no sympathy for any armies? Very well then. Thank you for sharing your feelings.

I know I'm late to the party, but last time I checked Costa Rica doesn't even HAVE an Army. Maybe that has something to do with his anti-military opinion...

[QUOTE="I"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]

Three events... Yours serves as evidence too. Here are other examples mentioned http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2012/2/10/America-war-crime/

Palantas

So, a single sentence and a link to a newspaper constitutes your "comprehensive list of military trials and the resultant sentences." Well, there you have, it folks.

And actually...point out in my post where I claim there is no evidence.

I

Answer this.

[QUOTE="Palantas"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]Yeah well i hace no sympathy for an army that is used to invade countries and murder innocent people around the worldad1x2

So you have no sympathy for any armies? Very well then. Thank you for sharing your feelings.

I know I'm late to the party, but last time I checked Costa Rica doesn't even HAVE an Army. Maybe that has something to do with his anti-military opinion...

Like, honestly theres a number of ways this can be interpretted...but the end result is children, whom have nothing to do with societys problems, wars, issues, or anything - their lives were violently cut short whether through a drone strike or gunshots to the body. The end result is these children are gone, without even understanding why they have been killed. For what? A gunmans personal satisfaction, or the satisfaction of a nation at war with its own....not much difference in the end, if they're dead...thats all I mean to say.Socialist696

After reading the TC's post, I really wasn't surprised in the ignorance in it. Before you say I called you stupid, ignorance just means a lack of knowledge. It's something I see a lot on OT.

When you can get past the news stories that sensationalize drone strikes to demonize the US it would really help if you got information from some reliable sources. In a lot of drone strikes the drone is just flying circles around a house for hours while intel is being gathered. A lot of times they have to wait until the target goes out in the open before they strike to make sure civilian casualties are kept to a minimum. Some of the info is classified but not to hide crimes, but to keep the enemy from using information against us.

It is very unfortunate when somebody who is innocent is killed. But that is pretty much what is going to happen when the Taliban hides behind women and children. The MAIN reason they do it is because of people like you, TC. You read the news, hear that US troops hit some women and children, and you automatically assume the women and children were the intended target. Totally forgetting that they were used as human shields.Don't forget, these are the same guys who ordered the murder of a 15-year old girl just because she wanted an education.

As for our shooter at the school, he wasn't aiming for a jihadist, missed, and hit a child instead. He was aiming for the child. Trying to compare the two is like saying that a parent who gets into a car accident (that wasn't drug or alcohol related on their part) that kills their child should receive the same punishment as another parent who pulls out a pistol and blows their child's brains out. In both situations a child has died but only one was murder.

[QUOTE="ad1x2"]

[QUOTE="Palantas"]

So you have no sympathy for any armies? Very well then. Thank you for sharing your feelings.

kuraimen

I know I'm late to the party, but last time I checked Costa Rica doesn't even HAVE an Army. Maybe that has something to do with his anti-military opinion...

This may surprise you, but the vast majority of US troops have never killed anybody. In fact, if you look at all of the US troops in Afghanistan right now most of them have never even fired their weapon outside of a qualification range, let alone shot anybody. But I do dislike the bad Soldiers. Steven Dale Green is one example, he's doing a life sentence right now for the rape and murder of a 14-year old Iraqi girl. That doesn't mean he represents the good ones.

Also, I personally helped escort one Soldier to jail who raped two female Soldiers a week apart back in 2006. He got 48 years in jail for that one. To put that in perspective, the man or woman who will be the commandant of the USDB on Fort Leavenworth the year he is released probably hasn't even been born yet. On the other hand, Mike Tyson only got six years for the rape he was accused of and was out of jail and boxing again in a little over three.

If you call yourself a gamer but talk all of this crap about how US troops are all sick killers then that makes you a hypocrite. Most gamers complain when the media blames video games on violent actions such as when people blamed Doom for the Columbine shootings. You get mad at the media for lumping all gamers together as ticking time bombs for some isolated incidents but turn around and call all US troops killing machines for the actions of some sick individuals who should have never been admitted into the military in the first place.

[QUOTE="kingfire11"]

1. You've been called out already by two people who obviously know more than you, but sure, keep posting; I'm sure it'll turn out well for you. I don't care if you said "many of them." You can change the parts of my post to "many," and they still sound ridiculous. Plenty of soldiers dislike Obama, and most all of them complain about their leaders. No one has ever said "I love my commander," as you seem to think is the case. You obviously have no f*cking idea what you're talking about and are just making sh!t up.

[QUOTE="kingfire11"]

And I like how ignored the part that talks about patriotism.

Palantas

2. When someone is an obvious bullsh!tter, as you are, I don't really feel a need to address their posts in depth, but whatever...

I'll post this again, since I guess you missed it:

[QUOTE="kingfire11"]I have sympathy for them because they are being used and brain washed into patriotism.Palantas

Dude, have you actually met any soldiers? Maybe they're just doing it for fun, or because it's a better job than they could get otherwise. Maybe they're doing it for college money or to acquire certain skills. For f*ck's sake, you've seen Apocalypse Now, and even if that is your only reference on military life, did Captain Willard or Colonel Kurtz strike you as particularly brainwashed, patriotic people? The Army is a diverse employer, and the bullsh!t university version of "diverse" where you have people of ten different nationalities who all spout the same correct-think, but actual diversity of race, background, and opinion. People join the service for all kinds of reasons.

Yeah, I addressed the patrotism part. Soldiers have diverse opinions on the US government and foreign policy.

1. I don't want to change your posts to anything, and you can't change mine too. I said many. Deal with it.

2. You said, people join the army for various reasons, but that is not my point. My point is about what happens after joining the army. You have to follow orders like a robot. You can't just say, "but sir..." when your commander simply says, "That's an order!" and you can't just "quit" either when the orders seem unethical to you. Your commander will probably justify the unethical action you are about to commit as a "heroic act for [insert your country here]." That is patriotisim.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="ad1x2"]

I know I'm late to the party, but last time I checked Costa Rica doesn't even HAVE an Army. Maybe that has something to do with his anti-military opinion...

ad1x2

This may surprise you, but the vast majority of US troops have never killed anybody. In fact, if you look at all of the US troops in Afghanistan right now most of them have never even fired their weapon outside of a qualification range, let alone shot anybody. But I do dislike the bad Soldiers. Steven Dale Green is one example, he's doing a life sentence right now for the rape and murder of a 14-year old Iraqi girl. That doesn't mean he represents the good ones.

Also, I personally helped escort one Soldier to jail who raped two female Soldiers a week apart back in 2006. He got 48 years in jail for that one. To put that in perspective, the man or woman who will be the commandant of the USDB on Fort Leavenworth the year he is released probably hasn't even been born yet. On the other hand, Mike Tyson only got six years for the rape he was accused of and was out of jail and boxing again in a little over three.

If you call yourself a gamer but talk all of this crap about how US troops are all sick killers then that makes you a hypocrite. Most gamers complain when the media blames video games on violent actions such as when people blamed Doom for the Columbine shootings. You get mad at the media for lumping all gamers together as ticking time bombs for some isolated incidents but turn around and call all US troops killing machines for the actions of some sick individuals who should have never been admitted into the military in the first place.

In a lot of drone strikes the drone is just flying circles around a house for hours

ad1x2

Imagine what it must be like to live like that. Always thinking will my house be blown away at any second.

I see a lot of Americans hide behind war, saying stuff like "it's war, sh1t happens", or dismissing those things as collateral damage therefore a necessary evil. I guess it helps when trying to always think of yourselves as the good guys. Not saying the other guys are good, mind you. I just really dislike words like collateral damage, makes it seem it's not so bad.If your kids were killed in a drone strike I bet you wouldn't call it collateral damage.

Honestlly, most gun related deaths have nothing to do with mass shootings. They get all the press and people go balistic, but if you look at the numbers, they involve a very infentismal number of people. Most people killed by guns are those known by the shooter. They involve mostly domestic violence and to a smaller extent gang violence. If people want to do something about gun deaths, that's the area to focus on. Understand that instead of the outlier.

[QUOTE="ad1x2"]

In a lot of drone strikes the drone is just flying circles around a house for hours

nunovlopes

Imagine what it must be like to live like that. Always thinking will my house be blown away at any second.

I see a lot of Americans hide behind war, saying stuff like "it's war, sh1t happens", or dismissing those things as collateral damage therefore a necessary evil. I guess it helps when trying to always think of yourselves as the good guys. Not saying the other guys are good, mind you. I just really dislike words like collateral damage, makes it seem it's not so bad.If your kids were killed in a drone strike I bet you wouldn't call it collateral damage.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Dazzle us with this in depth analysis you have of the use of the UCMJ over time.....LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Well now I have asked you several times for your evidence and a in depth analysis but thus far you have continued to avoid any such thing.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]So nothing then. Why am I not surprised. All you do is talk out of your ass and think your opinion is fact.LJS9502_basic

1. I don't want to change your posts to anything, and you can't change mine too. I said many. Deal with it.

kingfire11

I'm dealing with the fact that you're an obvoius bullsh!tter just fine.

2. You said, people join the army for various reasons, but that is not my point. My point is about what happens after joining the army. You have to follow orders like a robot. You can't just say, "but sir..." when your commander simply says, "That's an order!" and you can't just "quit" either when the orders seem unethical to you. Your commander will probably justify the unethical action you are about to commit as a "heroic act for [insert your country here]." That is patriotisim.

kingfire11

That's the dumbest definition of patriotism anyone on this forum has ever come up with. Your definition would demand that all conscripts are patriotic. That's ridiculous. I have never ever once heard the phrase "heroic act for America." Stop talking out your ass. You don't know any soldiers. You are a liar and a fool.

A single sentence that contains three major examples and a link that contain even more. That's way more than what you have achieved to provide to refute it pal.

kuraimen

Two examples. I found a link describing a soldier being jailed for life. You have yet to explain how this supports your idea that the military justice system lets soldiers accused of crimes off with a slap on the wrist. It seems it proves the opposite of what you claim.

You realize all I have to do is find a couple links, anywhere online, describing soldiers jailed for any amount of time for any crime to refute this. Your standards of evidence for the following "The US military justice system lets soldiers off for crimes and has been over a 60+ year period" is that you found two links and a liberal newspaper article. Yes, this to you proves a multi-decade trend. You could do this with any criminal justice system in any country. If you're wondering why no one on this forum takes you seriously, there's an example for you.

And actually...point out in my post where I claim there is no evidence.

I

Answer this.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]You're a dishonest person so nothing is substantive unless you want it to be. I presented evidence of three big cases as well as a link discussing 3 or 4 others where the same impunity pattern showed up. You choose to ignore it because you don't care that innocent people like women and children get slaughtered as long as you can live with your hypocrisyLJS9502_basic

The only actual link presented describes a soldier being jailed for life. kuraimen claims this supports his theory that military personnel are always let off lightly. No, I'm not kidding; he actually is caliming that in his "three big cases."

I know I'm late to the party, but last time I checked Costa Rica doesn't even HAVE an Army. Maybe that has something to do with his anti-military opinion...

ad1x2

kuraimen is this forum's village idiot. His posting process is thusly:

1. Look for topics discussing anything to do with the United States.
2. B!tch about the US in those topics, producing wild theories.
3. Claim that the evidence for his theories is "out there somewhere."
4. Ignore rebuttals.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]

Thankfully there are many Americans and people in countries with armies that share my feelings. I don't see what's so bad about disliking killing machines

ad1x2

This may surprise you, but the vast majority of US troops have never killed anybody. In fact, if you look at all of the US troops in Afghanistan right now most of them have never even fired their weapon outside of a qualification range, let alone shot anybody. But I do dislike the bad Soldiers. Steven Dale Green is one example, he's doing a life sentence right now for the rape and murder of a 14-year old Iraqi girl. That doesn't mean he represents the good ones.

Hey kuraimen, are you going to keep going on about your "three major cases," or are you going to respond to this?

[QUOTE="Palantas"]

[QUOTE="kingfire11"]

Dude, have you actually met any soldiers? Maybe they're just doing it for fun, or because it's a better job than they could get otherwise. Maybe they're doing it for college money or to acquire certain skills. For f*ck's sake, you've seen Apocalypse Now, and even if that is your only reference on military life, did Captain Willard or Colonel Kurtz strike you as particularly brainwashed, patriotic people? The Army is a diverse employer, and the bullsh!t university version of "diverse" where you have people of ten different nationalities who all spout the same correct-think, but actual diversity of race, background, and opinion. People join the service for all kinds of reasons.

kingfire11

Yeah, I addressed the patrotism part. Soldiers have diverse opinions on the US government and foreign policy.

1. I don't want to change your posts to anything, and you can't change mine too. I said many. Deal with it.

2. You said, people join the army for various reasons, but that is not my point. My point is about what happens after joining the army. You have to follow orders like a robot. You can't just say, "but sir..." when your commander simply says, "That's an order!" and you can't just "quit" either when the orders seem unethical to you. Your commander will probably justify the unethical action you are about to commit as a "heroic act for [insert your country here]." That is patriotisim.

[QUOTE="kingfire11"]

2. You said, people join the army for various reasons, but that is not my point. My point is about what happens after joining the army. You have to follow orders like a robot. You can't just say, "but sir..." when your commander simply says, "That's an order!" and you can't just "quit" either when the orders seem unethical to you. Your commander will probably justify the unethical action you are about to commit as a "heroic act for [insert your country here]." That is patriotisim.

Actually, those of us in the military have an obligation to disobey unlawful orders and report them up our chain of command. So, no, we do not follow orders like a robot, you are very wrong.

Lord_Omikron666

Dude, this idiot I'm arguing with here has already claimed "many soldiers share blind love of their leaders and their country." Yes, according to him, most soldiers "love" their commanders. :roll: He's an obvious liar who doesn't know jack sh!t about the military or the people in it. In spite of being called out by a couple people who have actually been in the service, he keeps posting.

kuraimen

I spent 15 seconds on Bing and found two cases where convicted civilian murders were released after a few years. One of them went on to kill again:

http://www.murderpedia.org/male.S/s1/sattiewhite-vernon.htm

http://www.msnewsnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=11870981

Using your standards of evidence, I can conclude that the entire US criminal justice system is lax on criminals, and therefore there is nothing unique or unusual about hte military justice system.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]

Palantas

I spent 15 seconds on Bing and found two cases where convicted civilian murders were released after a few years. One of them went on to kill again:

http://www.murderpedia.org/male.S/s1/sattiewhite-vernon.htm

http://www.msnewsnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=11870981

Using your standards of evidence, I can conclude that the entire US criminal justice system is lax on criminals, and therefore there is nothing unique or unusual about hte military justice system.

[QUOTE="Lord_Omikron666"]

[QUOTE="kingfire11"]

2. You said, people join the army for various reasons, but that is not my point. My point is about what happens after joining the army. You have to follow orders like a robot. You can't just say, "but sir..." when your commander simply says, "That's an order!" and you can't just "quit" either when the orders seem unethical to you. Your commander will probably justify the unethical action you are about to commit as a "heroic act for [insert your country here]." That is patriotisim.

Actually, those of us in the military have an obligation to disobey unlawful orders and report them up our chain of command. So, no, we do not follow orders like a robot, you are very wrong.

Palantas

Dude, this idiot I'm arguing with here has already claimed "many soldiers share blind love of their leaders and their country." Yes, according to him, most soldiers "love" their commanders. :roll: He's an obvious liar who doesn't know jack sh!t about the military or the people in it. In spite of being called out by a couple people who have actually been in the service, he keeps posting.

Wouldn't someone very liberal want the criminal justice system to be lax on criminals? I thought they were of the view that sentences should focus on rehabilitation and not punishment. That imprisoning people just makes them career criminals?sonicare

I wouldn't identify kuraimen as a liberal. His sole function on this board is to b!tch about random things the US is doing (usually in a nonsensical fashion). Sometimes this makes him more Leftist, and other times not.

[QUOTE="sonicare"]Wouldn't someone very liberal want the criminal justice system to be lax on criminals? I thought they were of the view that sentences should focus on rehabilitation and not punishment. That imprisoning people just makes them career criminals?Palantas

I wouldn't identify kuraimen as a liberal. His sole function on this board is to b!tch about random things the US is doing (usually in a nonsensical fashion). Sometimes this makes him more Leftist, and other times not.

To play devil's advocate a little, maybe there are military members that blindly love their leaders and country, however, like I said we're obligated not to follow unlawful orders and if we do we're the ones getting in trouble.

Lord_Omikron666

Dude, have you ever met anyone who blindly loves their company commander?

Like, honestly theres a number of ways this can be interpretted...but the end result is children, whom have nothing to do with societys problems, wars, issues, or anything - their lives were violently cut short whether through a drone strike or gunshots to the body. The end result is these children are gone, without even understanding why they have been killed. For what? A gunmans personal satisfaction, or the satisfaction of a nation at war with its own....not much difference in the end, if they're dead...thats all I mean to say.Socialist696

Which is going to affect you more. Your child dying, or someone elses child dying?

The end result is the same. Both are catastrophic, it shouldn't happen, yet it does.

There is no difference, beecause they're both children. You should mourn both the same.

While we're at it, a drone is not the same as a human. You seem so absolutely sure that the person controlling the drone knows that there will be innocent lives at stake. Pointing a gun and shooting someone in front of you is not the same as using a controlled aircraft to send a missile down somewhere they can't see themselves.

[QUOTE="Lord_Omikron666"]

To play devil's advocate a little, maybe there are military members that blindly love their leaders and country, however, like I said we're obligated not to follow unlawful orders and if we do we're the ones getting in trouble.

Palantas

Dude, have you ever met anyone who blindly loves their company commander?

[QUOTE="I"]

Dude, have you ever met anyone who blindly loves their company commander?

Lord_Omikron666

Yes, there have been people who loved their commander. They were called the Army of Nothern Virginia. :D Characterizing "many" soldiers as "blindy loving their leaders" is a misrepresentation and gross generalization of the attitudes of American military personnel.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]

A single sentence that contains three major examples and a link that contain even more. That's way more than what you have achieved to provide to refute it pal.

Palantas

Two examples. I found a link describing a soldier being jailed for life. You have yet to explain how this supports your idea that the military justice system lets soldiers accused of crimes off with a slap on the wrist. It seems it proves the opposite of what you claim.

You realize all I have to do is find a couple links, anywhere online, describing soldiers jailed for any amount of time for any crime to refute this. Your standards of evidence for the following "The US military justice system lets soldiers off for crimes and has been over a 60+ year period" is that you found two links and a liberal newspaper article. Yes, this to you proves a multi-decade trend. You could do this with any criminal justice system in any country. If you're wondering why no one on this forum takes you seriously, there's an example for you.

And actually...point out in my post where I claim there is no evidence.

I

Answer this.

Lol you have to be the worst debater on this board. I told you that your little failure of an example addressed the situation of only ONE perpetrator. The massacre where he was part of involved many people most of which got days, months or a few years of jail time. That's why I used the word "most" in my original statement because some of them get punished appropiately but only a few and in many cases even if they get life sentences they get released in a few years like it happened in my lai. So your inability to be honest about what I said shows that your argument is weak and that you have to resort to straw man arguments to pretend to win an argument. I bet you feel realized when you become the apologist of people who murder women and children, you guys are kind of disgusting.

Or maybe since you didn't claim that there's no evidence do you agree that there's evidence of the military being in general lenient with their own murderers? Because I've shown plenty here...

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="kuraimen"]You're a dishonest person so nothing is substantive unless you want it to be. I presented evidence of three big cases as well as a link discussing 3 or 4 others where the same impunity pattern showed up. You choose to ignore it because you don't care that innocent people like women and children get slaughtered as long as you can live with your hypocrisyPalantas

The only actual link presented describes a soldier being jailed for life. kuraimen claims this supports his theory that military personnel are always let off lightly. No, I'm not kidding; he actually is caliming that in his "three big cases."

Are you really such a moron? Really is your ability to reason properly so deficient? I provided the name of the massacre your little example came from. You literally need just a couple of brain cells to look the info on Google and corroborate. Learn to interact online before you pretend to try and win an argument

[QUOTE="Lord_Omikron666"]

[QUOTE="I"]

Dude, have you ever met anyone who blindly loves their company commander?

Palantas

Yes, there have been people who loved their commander. They were called the Army of Nothern Virginia. :D Characterizing "many" soldiers as "blindy loving their leaders" is a misrepresentation and gross generalization of the attitudes of American military personnel.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]

Palantas

I spent 15 seconds on Bing and found two cases where convicted civilian murders were released after a few years. One of them went on to kill again:

http://www.murderpedia.org/male.S/s1/sattiewhite-vernon.htm

http://www.msnewsnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=11870981

Using your standards of evidence, I can conclude that the entire US criminal justice system is lax on criminals, and therefore there is nothing unique or unusual about hte military justice system.

[QUOTE="kingfire11"]

[QUOTE="Palantas"]

Yeah, I addressed the patrotism part. Soldiers have diverse opinions on the US government and foreign policy.

Lord_Omikron666

1. I don't want to change your posts to anything, and you can't change mine too. I said many. Deal with it.

2. You said, people join the army for various reasons, but that is not my point. My point is about what happens after joining the army. You have to follow orders like a robot. You can't just say, "but sir..." when your commander simply says, "That's an order!" and you can't just "quit" either when the orders seem unethical to you. Your commander will probably justify the unethical action you are about to commit as a "heroic act for [insert your country here]." That is patriotisim.

[QUOTE="Palantas"]

[QUOTE="sonicare"]Wouldn't someone very liberal want the criminal justice system to be lax on criminals? I thought they were of the view that sentences should focus on rehabilitation and not punishment. That imprisoning people just makes them career criminals?sonicare

I wouldn't identify kuraimen as a liberal. His sole function on this board is to b!tch about random things the US is doing (usually in a nonsensical fashion). Sometimes this makes him more Leftist, and other times not.

[QUOTE="Lord_Omikron666"]

[QUOTE="kingfire11"]

1. I don't want to change your posts to anything, and you can't change mine too. I said many. Deal with it.

2. You said, people join the army for various reasons, but that is not my point. My point is about what happens after joining the army. You have to follow orders like a robot. You can't just say, "but sir..." when your commander simply says, "That's an order!" and you can't just "quit" either when the orders seem unethical to you. Your commander will probably justify the unethical action you are about to commit as a "heroic act for [insert your country here]." That is patriotisim.

kuraimen

Well, to be honest, the US has done some less than reputable stuff. The only issue I have with kuraimen is that he seems to focus almost exclusively on that. Any beneficial acts the US does are overlooked or rationalized away. Furthermore, the US action are not put into context in regards to how other nations have and continue to act. sonicare

I agree.

EDIT: And my problem with kuraimen is that he will take a single incident--always one from the popular press--and claim that represents a pattern, sometimes a pattern spanning decades. Then he ignores rebuttals, oftentimes for pages, like you didn't even post them.

Lol you have to be the worst debater on this board.

kuraimen

Lol yeah, that's why you're held in contempt by every regular who posts here.

I told you that your little failure of an example addressed the situation of only ONE perpetrator. The massacre where he was part of involved many people most of which got days, months or a few years of jail time.

kuraimen

And I should take your word for this why? Where is your analysis of this case?

I bet you feel realized when you become the apologist of people who murder women and children, you guys are kind of disgusting

kuraimen

You bet I feel realized? What is that supposed to mean?

kuraimen

And actually...point out in my post where I claim there is no evidence.

I

Answer this.