Africa, I just don't get it...

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#2 RockysCatnipCo
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No natural resources.

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#3 Akawoa
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Humans originated from Africa thousands of years ago. Humans go on to create cities like New York, London, Tokyo, Sydney, etc., and create medicines that can cure some of the most deadly diseases. We've been able to build technology like computers, planes that can break the sound barrier, and we've even gone to the moon. And yet, Africa remains one of the worst, crappiest places I've ever seen. It's no where near up to date with the rest of the world, with the exception of a few cities on the continent. All I see are tribes, war-torn countries, starvation, and poverty. So even though humans are originally from here, why is it so far behind?

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I've wondered this for a while myself. A good question certainly, curious to see peoples thoughts. Personally, I'm not so sure why, other countries have had political problems for decades and they've kept up with the times.

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#4 clayron
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I am not sure, but I think the answers lie in history. I believe at some point certains sections of Africa excelled in some technological, and academic aspects.

I can not site history or anything, but the country has not always been the piss-stain of the world.

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#5 lolmands
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ummm ... how old are you guys? slavery..colonialism for hundreds of years... most african countries only got independce in the 60-70s. They couldnt develop because they werent allowed to. when european nations that controlled afrioca just left.. as you can see all hell broke loose. you cant compare an african nation to The US which has been independant for 200yrs. it will take that time
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#6 flawlesscoope
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Corrupt leaders, and EDUCATION are the biggest problem.

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Most of Africa seems to be pretty empty as far as natural resources. They lacked pack animals and water for large farms (which Europe had), which means there are many nomadic tribes instead of settlements growing into culture. Then let us not forget that European countries had laid claim to most if not all of the continent at one point and when they marked out territoris they did so like a monkey with a canvas and 10 different buckets of paint. This gives us countries like Lesotho which is bordered on all sides by South Africa.

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#8 chAzN93
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resources...education...unstable government
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#9 starfox15
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No natural resources.

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Um, Diamonds?

Yeah, Africa has natural resources, the problem is that it doesn't own any of them. If you go to a store like Zales or something like that, the chances of it being an African diamond are high.

Companies from countries around the world send in mining crews to dig into Africa for diamonds. They don't have to pay anybody to do this because Africa has no government to speak of, just shattered groups of civil warriors.

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ummm ... how old are you guys? slavery..colonialism for hundreds of years... most african countries only got independce in the 60-70slolmands
They had independence before then though and they still had a primitive bartering economy. The main reason they are in the state they are in, is their lack of natural resources necessary to industrialize.
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#11 lolmands
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Most of Africa seems to be pretty empty as far as natural resources. They lacked pack animals and water for large farms (which Europe had), which means there are many nomadic tribes instead of settlements growing into culture. Then let us not forget that European countries had laid claim to most if not all of the continent at one point and when they marked out territoris they did so like a monkey with a canvas and 10 different buckets of paint. This gives us countries like Lesotho which is bordered on all sides by South Africa.

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those resources were being stolen for hundreds of yrs from africa
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#12 RockysCatnipCo
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[QUOTE="RockysCatnipCo"]

No natural resources.

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Um, Diamonds?

Yeah, Africa has natural resources, the problem is that it doesn't own any of them. If you go to a store like Zales or something like that, the chances of it being an African diamond are high.

Companies from countries around the world send in mining crews to dig into Africa for diamonds. They don't have to pay anybody to do this because Africa has no government to speak of, just shattered groups of civil warriors.

What can you build with diamonds?...
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[QUOTE="lolmands"]ummm ... how old are you guys? slavery..colonialism for hundreds of years... most african countries only got independce in the 60-70sRockysCatnipCo
They had independence before then though and they still had a primitive bartering economy. The main reason they are in the state they are in, is their lack of natural resources necessary to industrialize.

they were taken via colonialism...
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Africa is not like you think, media make it seem that way, but it aint all like that. Anyways so what if some parts of it dont have the technology?
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#15 lolmands
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Africa is not like you think, media make it seem that way, but it aint all like that. Anyways so what if some parts of it dont have the technology?RTUUMM
i think africa in general is being grouped up. no one ever talks of individual nations
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#16 RockysCatnipCo
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[QUOTE="RockysCatnipCo"][QUOTE="lolmands"]ummm ... how old are you guys? slavery..colonialism for hundreds of years... most african countries only got independce in the 60-70slolmands
They had independence before then though and they still had a primitive bartering economy. The main reason they are in the state they are in, is their lack of natural resources necessary to industrialize.

they were taken via colonialism...

They were never there. Cheap labor was the main motive behind imperialism in Africa. Europe saw Africans as inferior beings, thus taking advantage of them.
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There is a good documentary series / book called Guns Germs and Steel that tries to explain that.
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#18 lolmands
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[QUOTE="lolmands"][QUOTE="RockysCatnipCo"]They had independence before then though and they still had a primitive bartering economy. The main reason they are in the state they are in, is their lack of natural resources necessary to industrialize.RockysCatnipCo
they were taken via colonialism...

They were never there. Cheap labor was the main motive behind imperialism in Africa. Europe saw Africans as inferior beings, thus taking advantage of them.

yes and take the resources
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#19 RockysCatnipCo
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Africa is not like you think, media make it seem that way, but it aint all like that. Anyways so what if some parts of it dont have the technology?RTUUMM
What do you mean, "so what?" Millions of people die of deprivation. And that is most of Africa.
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#20 RockysCatnipCo
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There is a good documentary series / book called Guns Germs and Steel that tries to explain that.duxup
I watched that in my AP European History class. I liked it a lot.
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[QUOTE="RockysCatnipCo"][QUOTE="lolmands"] they were taken via colonialism...lolmands
They were never there. Cheap labor was the main motive behind imperialism in Africa. Europe saw Africans as inferior beings, thus taking advantage of them.

yes and take the resources

There were no natural resources to take. That is why Africa never industrialized. The only resource that Europe took from them was cheap labor, if you can even call that a resource.
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#22 duxup
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[QUOTE="duxup"]There is a good documentary series / book called Guns Germs and Steel that tries to explain that.RockysCatnipCo
I watched that in my AP European History class. I liked it a lot.

I liked it as well. I don't know if it provided a complete answer but a lot of the explanations as to what made specialization easier for some folks and less so than others certainly seems sensible.
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Only one country in Africa is over 50 years old. It took the U.S over 50 year to become a stabilized country and 150 to become a superpower. So there is still a lot more time needed. All of Africa isn't horrible either, there are developed places and undeveloped places.

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#24 RockysCatnipCo
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[QUOTE="RockysCatnipCo"][QUOTE="duxup"]There is a good documentary series / book called Guns Germs and Steel that tries to explain that.duxup
I watched that in my AP European History class. I liked it a lot.

I liked it as well. I don't know if it provided a complete answer but a lot of the explanations as to what made specialization easier for some folks and less so than others certainly seems sensible.

I definitely agreed that different regions were more environmentally privileged than others, rather than it being an issue of race, or politics.
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[QUOTE="lolmands"][QUOTE="RockysCatnipCo"]They were never there. Cheap labor was the main motive behind imperialism in Africa. Europe saw Africans as inferior beings, thus taking advantage of them. RockysCatnipCo
yes and take the resources

There were no natural resources to take. That is why Africa never industrialized. The only resource that Europe took from them was cheap labor, if you can even call that a resource.

Africa actually has a lot of natural resources like coal, petroleum, precious gems, agricultural products, metals and ores. I think the problem have more to do with the age of the countries, corrupt leaders, past exploitation, and landlocked countries.
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#26 RockysCatnipCo
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Only one country in Africa is over 50 years old. It took the U.S over 50 year to become a stabilized country and 150 to become a superpower. So there is still a lot more time needed. All of Africa isn't horrible either, there are developed places and undeveloped places.

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They've always been there though. They just got divided up with lines on a map. I'm not saying that this didn't effect them, however. It wasn't the Europeans place to do so. Africa was just fine with it's bartering economy. Not to the point of becoming an industrialized region, but in a better state than what it is now.
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#27 Danm_999
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Only one country in Africa is over 50 years old. It took the U.S over 50 year to become a stabilized country and 150 to become a superpower. So there is still a lot more time needed. All of Africa isn't horrible either, there are developed places and undeveloped places.

Ace_WondersX
Good show sir, I posted exactly this in another thread a while ago and completely agree. Africa has basically gotten itself out of decades of colonialism and exploitation 50 or so years ago, it isn't going to become a mature, Western style continent overnight. Hell, even the success stories like China have extremely spotty records when it comes to living conditions, government stability and human rights.
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[QUOTE="Ace_WondersX"][QUOTE="RockysCatnipCo"][QUOTE="lolmands"] yes and take the resources

There were no natural resources to take. That is why Africa never industrialized. The only resource that Europe took from them was cheap labor, if you can even call that a resource.

Africa actually has a lot of natural resources like coal, petroleum, precious gems, agricultural products, metals and ores. I think the problem have more to do with the age of the countries, corrupt leaders, past exploitation, and landlocked countries.

For some reason I thought they didn't. You're right though :P.
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#29 DivergeUnify
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19th Century European Imperialism **** happens
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#30 _Verm
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erm, its that way because europe raped the continent.
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#31 killab2oo5
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Corrupt leaders, and EDUCATION are the biggest problem.

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This man/woman is correct. Corruption especially.
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#32 pokobo
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Not to mention that providing stable and westernised lifestyles for over 900 million people would more or less destroy the environment. As sad as the situation in Africa is, there is no physical way that the earth could handle that kind of growth, considering China's development over the past two decades has made them the most resource hungry country on the globe, we couldn't handle two of them. Basically for Africa to acheive some sort of relatively stable state (as a whole), the majority of first world countries will have to start making major cuts in production in all areas, and halt that little demon called 'progress'. There is no way Africa will be able to catch up in this race if we're always running faster.

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#33 samuraiguns
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I am not sure, but I think the answers lie in history. I believe at some point certains sections of Africa excelled in some technological, and academic aspects.

I can not site history or anything, but the country has not always been the piss-stain of the world.

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It was during the Mali period of Africa, EVERYTHING flourished; Tech, Resources, Healthcare and Agriculture.
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Not to mention that providing stable and westernised lifestyles for over 900 million people would more or less destroy the environment. As sad as the situation in Africa is, there is no physical way that the earth could handle that kind of growth, considering China's development over the past two decades has made them the most resource hungry country on the globe, we couldn't handle two of them. Basically for Africa to acheive some sort of relatively stable state (as a whole), the majority of first world countries will have to start making major cuts in production in all areas, and halt that little demon called 'progress'. There is no way Africa will be able to catch up in this race if we're always running faster.

pokobo

That's an interesting theory and I had thought about one almost identical to that before. Did you think that up yourself or get it from a book? If so would appreciate the name of the book so I could get around to reading it.

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Because the whole place is landlocked.

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Because the whole place is landlocked.

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Yea I mentioned that a lot of the countries are landlocked, but the coastal countries are developing well.
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#37 avatar_genius
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[QUOTE="avatar_genius"]

Because the whole place is landlocked.

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Yea I mentioned that a lot of the countries are landlocked, but the coastal countries are developing well.

The reason Europe developed well is because so much of it is close to the sea and ocean and trade and communication with the rest of the world is just that much easier.

Europe actually has more coastline than Africa does.

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Well, South Africa has been going downhill since most of the white population left. Also, the black population are still complaining about the apartheid, blaming it for all the problems, when infact, it is themselves.

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Well, South Africa has been going downhill since most of the white population left. Also, the black population are still complaining about the apartheid, blaming it for all the problems, when infact, it is themselves.

Jekken6

I don't know where you get your facts from but South Africa's economy has been improving since 2000.

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Well i think one of the reasones this that they didnt have any really useful natural resorces to exploit so nobody really btothered to invest in it. I mean where would most of Europe be without the roman empire bringing new technologieswith them when they invaided.

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Lack of natural resorces and it had largely a nomad population until recently. There were areas of Africa which were extremely rich, i seem to remember Madagascar was pretty rich.
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#42 jetpower3
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There's no one reason, but lot of it has to do with the following (from wikipedia):

"...spread of deadly diseases and viruses (notably HIV/AIDS and malaria), corrupt governments that have often committed serious human rights violations, failed central planning, high levels of illiteracy, lack of access to foreign capital, and frequent tribal and military conflict (ranging from guerrilla warfare to genocide)".

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[QUOTE="duxup"][QUOTE="RockysCatnipCo"]I watched that in my AP European History class. I liked it a lot.RockysCatnipCo
I liked it as well. I don't know if it provided a complete answer but a lot of the explanations as to what made specialization easier for some folks and less so than others certainly seems sensible.

I definitely agreed that different regions were more environmentally privileged than others, rather than it being an issue of race, or politics.

What surprised me was how few there were of early plants and animals that you needed to have to create a larger modern civilization. It didn't take a lot of them but dang if there weren't many combinations around the planet to get things started and if you were short a few you were hozed.

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European countries divided the continent up, the same borders Africa have now is the same borders the european nation made, and exported each and every natural resource they had. When they dissolved their colonies they left Africa in civil wars and to fend for themselves. Our rampage on Africa still has it's marks today as they litterally have nearly nothing of value anymore and if they have then corrupted officials or companies owned by other nations have monopoly on it.
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#45 DudeMXP
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Foreign companies won't invest into impoverished countries until the gov can actually last longer than a few weeks and be widely recognized. The political and military climate changes pretty often in some African countries, so it's probably not worth it for them. The Simpsons went to Africa in one episode and this pretty much summarizes how often things change....:P

Flight Attendant: Please prepare for our landing in Tanzania...
I'm sorry, it is now called "New Zanzibar."
Excuse me. It is now called "Pepsi presents New Zanzibar."

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#46 DudeMXP
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European countries divided the continent up, the same borders Africa have now is the same borders the european nation made, and exported each and every natural resource they had. When they dissolved their colonies they left Africa in civil wars and to fend for themselves. Our rampage on Africa still has it's marks today as they litterally have nearly nothing of value anymore and if they have then corrupted officials or companies owned by other nations have monopoly on it.Treflis

Yeah, Nas has a good song about it "I Can" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84uWGVAcKR4 The part about Africa is at 02:40

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#47 flordeceres
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Africa has a relatively large oil concentration and yet it doesn't even use half of that oil.
Countries like, for example, America, use millions of barrels of oil imported from Africa

Maybe they just can't evolve because there isn't any possibility

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#48 ILoveKHandAnime
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[QUOTE="Treflis"]European countries divided the continent up, the same borders Africa have now is the same borders the european nation made, and exported each and every natural resource they had. When they dissolved their colonies they left Africa in civil wars and to fend for themselves. Our rampage on Africa still has it's marks today as they litterally have nearly nothing of value anymore and if they have then corrupted officials or companies owned by other nations have monopoly on it.

Here we go. The answer to the Africa question goes beyond Jerry Diamond's theories. It also doesn't help that in WW2, the allies divvied up places that didn't belong to them in the first place.
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#49 Ikouze
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Aliens haven't shared there infinite wisdom with them yet. XD

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#50 btaylor2404
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Thousands of years of rule from outside countries, major lack of natural resources in today's economy. Just two, of many reasons IMO.