Agnosticism.

IMO,

Religious and Atheists.... they're all the same. They all believe in something they can't prove. Religious people take other people's values and principles and that's that. They don't even think. They choose the religion that fits their needs. Religion is like a social assistance for intellectual pauvrety. It's for those who don't know what to think, what they want, so they just choose one of these ''packs of values''.

Agnostics think about the existance or the unexistance of a God. They don't need a religion to tell them how to think and how to act. They set their own values, and they think, instead of following the herd.

THOUGHTS?
I dunno but I feel like I'm gonna get flamed to death

I'm atheist, but I really respect agnostics. It's really the only logical choice, but atheism is the second most logical. And I want to firmly believe something, rather than just dodge the issue.Zeke129

I agree

[QUOTE="Zeke129"]I'm atheist, but I really respect agnostics. It's really the only logical choice, but atheism is the second most logical. And I want to firmly believe something, rather than just dodge the issue.Timesplitter14

I agree

I don't believe they think anymore than the other groups....just because someone thinks differently than you does not mean they don't think.:roll:LJS9502_basic

I don't need a religion to set my values. And I won't just believe in a God just like this cuz a religion said so

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I don't believe they think anymore than the other groups....just because someone thinks differently than you does not mean they don't think.:roll:Timesplitter14

I don't need a religion to set my values.

They don't need a religion to tell them how to think and how to act. They set their own values, and they think, instead of following the herd.Timesplitter14

[QUOTE="Timesplitter14"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I don't believe they think anymore than the other groups....just because someone thinks differently than you does not mean they don't think.:roll:LJS9502_basic

I don't need a religion to set my values.

I disagree. This makes no sense, and where did the first human learned them? :roll:

IMO,

Religious and Atheists.... they're all the same. They all believe in something they can't prove. Religious people take other people's values and principles and that's that. They don't even think. They choose the religion that fits their needs. Religion is like a social assistance for intellectual pauvrety. It's for those who don't know what to think, what they want, so they just choose one of these ''packs of values''.

Agnostics think about the existance or the unexistance of a God. They don't need a religion to tell them how to think and how to act. They set their own values, and they think, instead of following the herd.

THOUGHTS?
I dunno but I feel like I'm gonna get flamed to death

Timesplitter14

I disagree. This makes no sense, and where did the first human learned them? :roll:

Timesplitter14

If they were innate everyone would have the same values....guess what?  The world doesn't work that way.:wink:

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Timesplitter14"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I don't believe they think anymore than the other groups....just because someone thinks differently than you does not mean they don't think.:roll:Timesplitter14

I don't need a religion to set my values.

I disagree. This makes no sense, and where did the first human learned them? :roll:

[QUOTE="Timesplitter14"]They don't need a religion to tell them how to think and how to act. They set their own values, and they think, instead of following the herd.SempiternalFett

No, agnostics are divided. They all think differently in general. Agnosticism has no real values or principles, except your own.

[QUOTE="Timesplitter14"]

I disagree. This makes no sense, and where did the first human learned them? :roll:

LJS9502_basic

If they were innate everyone would have the same values....guess what?  The world doesn't work that way.:wink:

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Timesplitter14"]

I disagree. This makes no sense, and where did the first human learned them? :roll:

xaos

If they were innate everyone would have the same values....guess what?  The world doesn't work that way.:wink:

[QUOTE="Timesplitter14"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Timesplitter14"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I don't believe they think anymore than the other groups....just because someone thinks differently than you does not mean they don't think.:roll:dragonlife29

I don't need a religion to set my values.

I disagree. This makes no sense, and where did the first human learned them? :roll:

right and wrong are concepts, not values

[QUOTE="SempiternalFett"][QUOTE="Timesplitter14"]They don't need a religion to tell them how to think and how to act. They set their own values, and they think, instead of following the herd.Timesplitter14

No, agnostics are divided. They all think differently in general. Agnosticism has no real values or principles, except your own.

[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Timesplitter14"]

I disagree. This makes no sense, and where did the first human learned them? :roll:

LJS9502_basic

If they were innate everyone would have the same values....guess what?  The world doesn't work that way.:wink:

right and wrong are concepts, not values

Timesplitter14

Values are a concept.....:|

[QUOTE="Timesplitter14"]

I disagree. This makes no sense, and where did the first human learned them? :roll:

LJS9502_basic

If they were innate everyone would have the same values

I dont think so. We're not all identical when we're born

[QUOTE="Timesplitter14"]

right and wrong are concepts, not values

LJS9502_basic

Values are a concept.....:|

all apples are fruits, but all fruits are not apples

[QUOTE="dragonlife29"][QUOTE="Timesplitter14"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Timesplitter14"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I don't believe they think anymore than the other groups....just because someone thinks differently than you does not mean they don't think.:roll:Timesplitter14

I don't need a religion to set my values.

I disagree. This makes no sense, and where did the first human learned them? :roll:

right and wrong are concepts, not values

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Timesplitter14"]

I disagree. This makes no sense, and where did the first human learned them? :roll:

Timesplitter14

If they were innate everyone would have the same values

I dont think so. We're not all identical when we're born

[QUOTE="Timesplitter14"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Timesplitter14"]

I disagree. This makes no sense, and where did the first human learned them? :roll:

LJS9502_basic

If they were innate everyone would have the same values

I dont think so. We're not all identical when we're born

It's the opposite lol!

But just tell me where did the first humans learn their values? (and God is not an answer)

It's the opposite lol!

But just tell me where did the first humans learn their values? (and God is not an answer)

Timesplitter14

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Timesplitter14"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Timesplitter14"]

I disagree. This makes no sense, and where did the first human learned them? :roll:

Timesplitter14

If they were innate everyone would have the same values

I dont think so. We're not all identical when we're born

It's the opposite lol!

But just tell me where did the first humans learn their values? (and God is not an answer)

[QUOTE="Timesplitter14"]

It's the opposite lol!

But just tell me where did the first humans learn their values? (and God is not an answer)

LJS9502_basic

I can't prove that values are innate but I can semi-prove they aren't taught with the question I've asked you. (but it's still not 100% proof)

[QUOTE="Timesplitter14"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Timesplitter14"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Timesplitter14"]

I disagree. This makes no sense, and where did the first human learned them? :roll:

dragonlife29

If they were innate everyone would have the same values

I dont think so. We're not all identical when we're born

It's the opposite lol!

But just tell me where did the first humans learn their values? (and God is not an answer)

yes, they thought about their values themselves

I can't prove that values are innate but I can semi-prove they aren't taught with the question I've asked you. (but it's still not 100% proof)

Timesplitter14

No you can't.....and you put conditions on the question you asked because you decided what answer you wanted.  Values are taught....it's that simple.

[QUOTE="Timesplitter14"]

I can't prove that values are innate but I can semi-prove they aren't taught with the question I've asked you. (but it's still not 100% proof)

LJS9502_basic

No you can't.....and you put conditions on the question you asked because you decided what answer you wanted.  Values are taught....it's that simple.

yea but answer my question!!! where did the first humans learn their values!?

[QUOTE="dragonlife29"][QUOTE="Timesplitter14"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Timesplitter14"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Timesplitter14"]

I disagree. This makes no sense, and where did the first human learned them? :roll:

Timesplitter14

If they were innate everyone would have the same values

I dont think so. We're not all identical when we're born

It's the opposite lol!

But just tell me where did the first humans learn their values? (and God is not an answer)

yes, they thought about their values themselves

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Timesplitter14"]

I can't prove that values are innate but I can semi-prove they aren't taught with the question I've asked you. (but it's still not 100% proof)

Timesplitter14

No you can't.....and you put conditions on the question you asked because you decided what answer you wanted. Values are taught....it's that simple.

yea but answer my question!!! where did the first humans learn their values!?

[QUOTE="Timesplitter14"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Timesplitter14"]

I can't prove that values are innate but I can semi-prove they aren't taught with the question I've asked you. (but it's still not 100% proof)

dragonlife29

No you can't.....and you put conditions on the question you asked because you decided what answer you wanted. Values are taught....it's that simple.

yea but answer my question!!! where did the first humans learn their values!?

They're not born with values but they think about them themselves then they share them after that. So I guess they are part innate and part taught... you made me realise that.

They're not born with values but they think about them themselves then they share them after that. So I guess they are part innate and part taught... you made me realise that.

Timesplitter14

Not innate in any part..

I prefer not thinking about it at all. It works for me...SolidSnake35

Awesome. A debate with no flaming, and I ended it :D (I think)
 dragonlife29

yeah I'm surprised lol. There's no hate in here :)

[QUOTE="Timesplitter14"]

They're not born with values but they think about them themselves then they share them after that. So I guess they are part innate and part taught... you made me realise that.

LJS9502_basic

Not innate in any part..

Yes because they must think of their values first to teach them after... and their ability to think of their values is innate!

Yes because they must think of their values first to teach them after...

Timesplitter14

Do you understand the meaning of the word innate?  And how did you give my argument to someone else anyway?

[QUOTE="Timesplitter14"]

Yes because they must think of their values first to teach them after...

LJS9502_basic

Do you understand the meaning of the word innate? And how did you give my argument to someone else anyway?

[QUOTE="Timesplitter14"]

Yes because they must think of their values first to teach them after...

LJS9502_basic

Do you understand the meaning of the word innate?  And how did you give my argument to someone else anyway?

Well their ability to think of their values is innate... or maybe it's something that's not innate nor taught?