Agnosticism.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Timesplitter14"]

Yes because they must think of their values first to teach them after...

Timesplitter14

Do you understand the meaning of the word innate?  And how did you give my argument to someone else anyway?

Well their ability to think of their values is innate... or maybe it's something that's not innate nor taught?

No....that would be trial and error.....and learning. 

[QUOTE="dragonlife29"]Awesome. A debate with no flaming, and I ended it :D (I think)
 Timesplitter14

yeah I'm surprised lol. There's no hate in here :)

well you did change the title of the thread, removing "is best" from the title.  That did make you look like an ass, and I could see how that would cause flaming.

[QUOTE="Timesplitter14"]

[QUOTE="dragonlife29"]Awesome. A debate with no flaming, and I ended it :D (I think)
 skullkrusher13

yeah I'm surprised lol. There's no hate in here :)

well you did change the title of the thread, removing "is best" from the title.  That did make you look like an ass, and I could see how that would cause flaming.

Yeah I also thought it was too... assy. I didn't want to bash religious people, I just want a good debate

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Timesplitter14"]

Yes because they must think of their values first to teach them after...

dragonlife29

Do you understand the meaning of the word innate? And how did you give my argument to someone else anyway?

[QUOTE="dragonlife29"][QUOTE="Timesplitter14"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Timesplitter14"]

I can't prove that values are innate but I can semi-prove they aren't taught with the question I've asked you. (but it's still not 100% proof)

Timesplitter14

No you can't.....and you put conditions on the question you asked because you decided what answer you wanted. Values are taught....it's that simple.

yea but answer my question!!! where did the first humans learn their values!?

They're not born with values but they think about them themselves then they share them after that. So I guess they are part innate and part taught... you made me realise that.

[QUOTE="dragonlife29"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Timesplitter14"]

Yes because they must think of their values first to teach them after...

LJS9502_basic

Do you understand the meaning of the word innate? And how did you give my argument to someone else anyway?

Belief requires at least some form of evidence, there has been none in support of god, not even a single piece of evidence to even HINT that there is a god. This leads me to atheism because since there is no evidence, why should I even consider the possibility of there being a God or some existential being? There you go.
SimpJee

[QUOTE="SimpJee"]Belief requires at least some form of evidence, there has been none in support of god, not even a single piece of evidence to even HINT that there is a god. This leads me to atheism because since there is no evidence, why should I even consider the possibility of there being a God or some existential being? There you go.
dragonlife29

[QUOTE="Timesplitter14"][QUOTE="dragonlife29"][QUOTE="Timesplitter14"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Timesplitter14"]

I can't prove that values are innate but I can semi-prove they aren't taught with the question I've asked you. (but it's still not 100% proof)

dragonlife29

No you can't.....and you put conditions on the question you asked because you decided what answer you wanted. Values are taught....it's that simple.

yea but answer my question!!! where did the first humans learn their values!?

They're not born with values but they think about them themselves then they share them after that. So I guess they are part innate and part taught... you made me realise that.

Yeah but since they teach the values to themselves, they must be born with the ability to do it... so it could be innate. What's important is that they come up with their own values themselves

[QUOTE="dragonlife29"][QUOTE="SimpJee"]Belief requires at least some form of evidence, there has been none in support of god, not even a single piece of evidence to even HINT that there is a god. This leads me to atheism because since there is no evidence, why should I even consider the possibility of there being a God or some existential being? There you go.
SimpJee

Well... Agnosticism can lead to Atheism or Religion. It depends where your questionning will lead you. If you're not convinced, you stay agnostic.

IMO,

Religious and Atheists.... they're all the same. They all believe in something they can't prove. Religious people take other people's values and principles and that's that. They don't even think. They choose the religion that fits their needs. Religion is like a social assistance for intellectual pauvrety. It's for those who don't know what to think, what they want, so they just choose one of these ''packs of values''.

Agnostics think about the existance or the unexistance of a God. They don't need a religion to tell them how to think and how to act. They set their own values, and they think, instead of following the herd.

THOUGHTS?
I dunno but I feel like I'm gonna get flamed to death

Timesplitter14

[QUOTE="Timesplitter14"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Timesplitter14"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I don't believe they think anymore than the other groups....just because someone thinks differently than you does not mean they don't think.:roll:dragonlife29

I don't need a religion to set my values.

I disagree. This makes no sense, and where did the first human learned them? :roll:

[QUOTE="dragonlife29"][QUOTE="SimpJee"]Belief requires at least some form of evidence, there has been none in support of god, not even a single piece of evidence to even HINT that there is a god. This leads me to atheism because since there is no evidence, why should I even consider the possibility of there being a God or some existential being? There you go.
SimpJee

[QUOTE="Timesplitter14"]

IMO,

Religious and Atheists.... they're all the same. They all believe in something they can't prove. Religious people take other people's values and principles and that's that. They don't even think. They choose the religion that fits their needs. Religion is like a social assistance for intellectual pauvrety. It's for those who don't know what to think, what they want, so they just choose one of these ''packs of values''.

Agnostics think about the existance or the unexistance of a God. They don't need a religion to tell them how to think and how to act. They set their own values, and they think, instead of following the herd.

THOUGHTS?
I dunno but I feel like I'm gonna get flamed to death

MrGeezer

Well there's no real proof that god doesn't exist

Values are part innate. Stuff like motherlove, not killing ppl at random... other values are learned from others but can be changed if one things about it himself/herself

IMO,

Religious and Atheists.... they're all the same. They all believe in something they can't prove. Religious people take other people's values and principles and that's that. They don't even think. They choose the religion that fits their needs. Religion is like a social assistance for intellectual pauvrety. It's for those who don't know what to think, what they want, so they just choose one of these ''packs of values''.

Agnostics think about the existance or the unexistance of a God. They don't need a religion to tell them how to think and how to act. They set their own values, and they think, instead of following the herd.

THOUGHTS?
I dunno but I feel like I'm gonna get flamed to death

Timesplitter14

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="Timesplitter14"]

IMO,

Religious and Atheists.... they're all the same. They all believe in something they can't prove. Religious people take other people's values and principles and that's that. They don't even think. They choose the religion that fits their needs. Religion is like a social assistance for intellectual pauvrety. It's for those who don't know what to think, what they want, so they just choose one of these ''packs of values''.

Agnostics think about the existance or the unexistance of a God. They don't need a religion to tell them how to think and how to act. They set their own values, and they think, instead of following the herd.

THOUGHTS?
I dunno but I feel like I'm gonna get flamed to death

Timesplitter14

Well there's no real proof that god doesn't exist

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Timesplitter14"]

I can't prove that values are innate but I can semi-prove they aren't taught with the question I've asked you. (but it's still not 100% proof)

Timesplitter14

No you can't.....and you put conditions on the question you asked because you decided what answer you wanted. Values are taught....it's that simple.

yea but answer my question!!! where did the first humans learn their values!?

No. I've thought about it. Logic tells me there's no God. Einstein discovered a lot of the secrets of the universe thinking in his studio apartment. So I think that logic is proof enough. I mean, I acknowledge that you can't disprove God, but it's still lame. I guess God kind of exists one way or another by how you define him, but in terms of a divine, all powerful, and omniscient being sentimental to human life, yeah, no.quiglythegreat

[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"]No. I've thought about it. Logic tells me there's no God. Einstein discovered a lot of the secrets of the universe thinking in his studio apartment. So I think that logic is proof enough. I mean, I acknowledge that you can't disprove God, but it's still lame. I guess God kind of exists one way or another by how you define him, but in terms of a divine, all powerful, and omniscient being sentimental to human life, yeah, no.flclisfun

The logic behind it is that religion as it exists now (any religion) doesn't make sense. The only thing discussions about religion boils down to is the 'believing' argument 'we can't comprehend the mind of God' and 'You can't prove there is no God' which are inherently weak arguments.

Well there's no real proof that god doesn't existTimesplitter14

The same with every other god man has ever thought up, or any imaginary being you can come up with.

People don't understand the concept of proof; you put forth a concept like God, can you prove it? The burden of proof is on those who are religious, to say he can't be disproven is silly, because that's not how proving a concept works. Every single God in the history of mankind can't be disproved, the same with flying spaghetti monster and magical flying fuzzy pink lobster that cruises around the universe singing power metal ballads. The bottum line with proof is that you put forth a concept and try to prove it, saying "it can't be disproven" isn't really part of the equation.

[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"]No. I've thought about it. Logic tells me there's no God. Einstein discovered a lot of the secrets of the universe thinking in his studio apartment. So I think that logic is proof enough. I mean, I acknowledge that you can't disprove God, but it's still lame. I guess God kind of exists one way or another by how you define him, but in terms of a divine, all powerful, and omniscient being sentimental to human life, yeah, no.flclisfun

[QUOTE="Timesplitter14"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="Timesplitter14"]

IMO,

Religious and Atheists.... they're all the same. They all believe in something they can't prove. Religious people take other people's values and principles and that's that. They don't even think. They choose the religion that fits their needs. Religion is like a social assistance for intellectual pauvrety. It's for those who don't know what to think, what they want, so they just choose one of these ''packs of values''.

Agnostics think about the existance or the unexistance of a God. They don't need a religion to tell them how to think and how to act. They set their own values, and they think, instead of following the herd.

THOUGHTS?
I dunno but I feel like I'm gonna get flamed to death

doubutsuteki

Well there's no real proof that god doesn't exist

I don't believe in god, but I don't have any proof that it doesn't exist. That's why I'm agnostic. I question myself until I find a real answer

[QUOTE="SimpJee"][QUOTE="dragonlife29"][QUOTE="SimpJee"]Belief requires at least some form of evidence, there has been none in support of god, not even a single piece of evidence to even HINT that there is a god. This leads me to atheism because since there is no evidence, why should I even consider the possibility of there being a God or some existential being? There you go.
crucifine

Agnosticism...so basically you live in a world full of dull reasonableness? Sajo7

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="Timesplitter14"]

IMO,

Religious and Atheists.... they're all the same. They all believe in something they can't prove. Religious people take other people's values and principles and that's that. They don't even think. They choose the religion that fits their needs. Religion is like a social assistance for intellectual pauvrety. It's for those who don't know what to think, what they want, so they just choose one of these ''packs of values''.

Agnostics think about the existance or the unexistance of a God. They don't need a religion to tell them how to think and how to act. They set their own values, and they think, instead of following the herd.

THOUGHTS?
I dunno but I feel like I'm gonna get flamed to death

Timesplitter14

Well there's no real proof that god doesn't exist

True, but I don't recall ever saying that god doesn't exist.
MrGeezer

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

True, but I don't recall ever saying that god doesn't exist.
quiglythegreat

[QUOTE="Timesplitter14"]

Well there's no real proof that god doesn't existdhyce

The same with every other god man has ever thought up, or any imaginary being you can come up with.

People don't understand the concept of proof; you put forth a concept like God, can you prove it? The burden of proof is on those who are religious, to say he can't be disproven is silly, because that's not how proving a concept works. Every single God in the history of mankind can't be disproved, the same with flying spaghetti monster and magical flying fuzzy pink lobster that cruises around the universe singing power metal ballads. The bottum line with proof is that you put forth a concept and try to prove it, saying "it can't be disproven" isn't really part of the equation.

You took the words right out of my head. 

[QUOTE="Sajo7"]Agnosticism...so basically you live in a world full of dull reasonableness? MordusMythril

[QUOTE="MordusMythril"][QUOTE="Sajo7"]Agnosticism...so basically you live in a world full of dull reasonableness? Sajo7

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Timesplitter14"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I don't believe they think anymore than the other groups....just because someone thinks differently than you does not mean they don't think.:roll:Timesplitter14

I don't need a religion to set my values.

I disagree. This makes no sense, and where did the first human learned them? :roll:

I agree with the tc. Religion is just a crutch, a pitiful crutch for people who are scared of dyingNisstyre_56

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="Timesplitter14"]

IMO,

Religious and Atheists.... they're all the same. They all believe in something they can't prove. Religious people take other people's values and principles and that's that. They don't even think. They choose the religion that fits their needs. Religion is like a social assistance for intellectual pauvrety. It's for those who don't know what to think, what they want, so they just choose one of these ''packs of values''.

Agnostics think about the existance or the unexistance of a God. They don't need a religion to tell them how to think and how to act. They set their own values, and they think, instead of following the herd.

THOUGHTS?
I dunno but I feel like I'm gonna get flamed to death

Timesplitter14

Well there's no real proof that god doesn't exist

[QUOTE="Timesplitter14"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Timesplitter14"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]I don't believe they think anymore than the other groups....just because someone thinks differently than you does not mean they don't think.:roll:Mr_sprinkles

I don't need a religion to set my values.

I disagree. This makes no sense, and where did the first human learned them? :roll:

[QUOTE="Nisstyre_56"]I agree with the tc. Religion is just a crutch, a pitiful crutch for people who are scared of dyingSajo7

[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"]

God, duuuh! :PNisstyre_56

[QUOTE="Nisstyre_56"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"]

God, duuuh! :PMr_sprinkles

I don't believe they think anymore than the other groups....just because someone thinks differently than you does not mean they don't think.:roll:LJS9502_basic

Exactly, they think within the realm of which they were introduced. If you were born in the wild, and left there to live up and grow from unaware youth (somehow.) You would not believe in Jesus Christ, no one ever told you about him, "Jesus who?" Their thinking within the realm of which their shown, Christianity, (among with other religions) would not exist if someones parents didn't tell kids about it.

[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

True, but I don't recall ever saying that god doesn't exist.
MrGeezer

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

True, but I don't recall ever saying that god doesn't exist.
quiglythegreat