Alabama Gov Signs Nation's Toughest Immigration Law

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[QUOTE="stanleycup98"] I agree. Right now, it is legal, but they need to amend the law. Make it so that only children of parents who are in the United States legally are automatically American citizens. The need for the law in question has long passed. It was only necessary when America was forming. stanleycup98

The 14th amendment has outlived its purpose?

[QUOTE="stanleycup98"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] The 14th amendment was passed and ratified almost 80 years after the constitution was formed. :?

DroidPhysX

The 14th amendment has outlived its purpose?

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[QUOTE="stanleycup98"] Disregard the forming part then. It is still a law that has outlived its purpose. stanleycup98

The 14th amendment has outlived its purpose?

You want to know what the 14th amendment has been used to affirm and uphold?:

• Miranda Rights
• Aboriton Rights
• Desegration of schools
• Gay rights
• etc

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The 14th amendment has outlived its purpose?

DroidPhysX

You want to know what the 14th amendment has been used to affirm and uphold?:

• Miranda Rights
• Aboriton Rights
• Desegration of schools
• Gay rights
• etc

OK

Amendment 28: Babies of Illegal aliens that are not here to become either citizens, visa'd workers, or contribute anything to society other than take up space and take free resources, are not considered citizens. (Thank your parents for not having the foresight to do it the legal way)

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[QUOTE="stanleycup98"] The main purpose of the amendment was to ensure that children African-Americans who gained their freedom after the Civil War would be ensured citizenship and thus equal rights. We don't really have that problem anymore... I'm fine with the idea of the law, I just think it should be interpreted in a way that closes the anchor baby loophole. stanleycup98

You want to know what the 14th amendment has been used to affirm and uphold?:

• Miranda Rights
• Aboriton Rights
• Desegration of schools
• Gay rights
• etc

OK

Amendment 28: Babies of Illegal aliens that are not here to become either citizens, visa'd workers, or contribute anything to society other than take up space and take free resources, are not considered citizens. (Thank your parents for not having the foresight to do it the legal way)

Sunfyre7896

Couple of things wrong with this:

1. It will never get passed
2. It's way too broad (who determines 'contributing to society')

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OK

Amendment 28: Babies of Illegal aliens that are not here to become either citizens, visa'd workers, or contribute anything to society other than take up space and take free resources, are not considered citizens. (Thank your parents for not having the foresight to do it the legal way)

DroidPhysX

Couple of things wrong with this:

1. It will never get passed
2. It's way too broad (who determines 'contributing to society')

Ok, we can condense it to include only illegal aliens that haven't applied for either citizenship or a work visa. That can be proven. And you might be right about number 1 because there are way too many people sympathetic to illegals and their plight. They would rather have illegals here than do anything about it.

Off topic but applies because it's a loophole.

A woman was found that had 8 kids and because the government decided to give her over a thousand for each child per month ended up making a six figure salary. That's over $100,000 a year because she found that out and decided to have more kids. I know parenting is a tough job, but if you make as much as she does, she could hire a nanny and a cook and a maid. . . The related part to all of this. They can be illegals.

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OK

Amendment 28: Babies of Illegal aliens that are not here to become either citizens, visa'd workers, or contribute anything to society other than take up space and take free resources, are not considered citizens. (Thank your parents for not having the foresight to do it the legal way)

Sunfyre7896

Couple of things wrong with this:

1. It will never get passed
2. It's way too broad (who determines 'contributing to society')

Ok, we can condense it to include only illegal aliens that haven't applied for either citizenship or a work visa. That can be proven. And you might be right about number 1 because there are way too many people sympathetic to illegals and their plight. They would rather have illegals here than do anything about it.

This topic begs another question: if we get rid of the illegals then who's going to work the menial jobs that Americans depend on but are too good for?

This topic begs another question: if we get rid of the illegals then who's going to work the menial jobs that Americans depend on but are too good for?

worlock77

Some of the people that got laid off and can't find any other type of work. And also the growing sector of the population from all of the kids reaching working age as the population continues to increase. The common theme, ALL citizens.

Just not me....... Because I'm too good for those.;)

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This topic begs another question: if we get rid of the illegals then who's going to work the menial jobs that Americans depend on but are too good for?

Sunfyre7896

Some of the people that got laid off and can't find any other type of work. And also the growing sector of the population from all of the kids reaching working age as the population continues to increase. The common theme, ALL citizens.

Just not me....... Because I'm too good for those.;)

But American citizens cost more. I don't think that's fair to business.

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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

This topic begs another question: if we get rid of the illegals then who's going to work the menial jobs that Americans depend on but are too good for?

worlock77

Some of the people that got laid off and can't find any other type of work. And also the growing sector of the population from all of the kids reaching working age as the population continues to increase. The common theme, ALL citizens.

Just not me....... Because I'm too good for those.;)

But American citizens cost more. I don't think that's fair to business.

Oh, the businesses who hire the Illegals illegally? Or the businesses who gouge the customers to protect their profit margin? Or the businesses who try to save a buck at every turn by outsourcing thousands of jobs overseas so that we can in turn, try to decipher what someone is saying in a call center in India? Or the company that is pro-sweat shop to save a dime. Most of these companies can easily keep American workers instead of outsourcing, charge cheaper prices, not hire illegals, or use cheap labor of any sort and be ok. Instead of making $12 million a quarter or year, maybe they could make $6 million and be good Americans instead of just greedy. But that's the U.S. Let's make an extra buck despite the expense to the country and anyone else. I'll just get mine.

Oh, the businesses who hire the Illegals illegally? Or the businesses who gouge the customers to protect their profit margin? Or the businesses who try to save a buck at every turn by outsourcing thousands of jobs overseas so that we can in turn, try to decipher what someone is saying in a call center in India? Or the company that is pro-sweat shop to save a dime. Most of these companies can easily keep American workers instead of outsourcing, charge cheaper prices, not hire illegals, or use cheap labor of any sort and be ok. Instead of making $12 million a quarter or year, maybe they could make $6 million and be good Americans instead of just greedy. But that's the U.S. Let's make an extra buck despite the expense to the country and anyone else. I'll just get mine.

Sunfyre7896

Oh, the businesses who hire the Illegals illegally? Or the businesses who gouge the customers to protect their profit margin? Or the businesses who try to save a buck at every turn by outsourcing thousands of jobs overseas so that we can in turn, try to decipher what someone is saying in a call center in India? Or the company that is pro-sweat shop to save a dime. Most of these companies can easily keep American workers instead of outsourcing, charge cheaper prices, not hire illegals, or use cheap labor of any sort and be ok. Instead of making $12 million a quarter or year, maybe they could make $6 million and be good Americans instead of just greedy. But that's the U.S. Let's make an extra buck despite the expense to the country and anyone else. I'll just get mine.

Sunfyre7896

That's the spirit.

Edit: I realize that it probably seems like I'm trolling this thread now. That's not my intent. Just in a particularly silly/ridiculous mood this afternoon.

I say screw all those laws... It doesn't stop the illegal immigration... It doesn't stop people from hiring them...

Just give them citizenship... They already come here, they already live here, they already work here... So why spend billions of dollars and pass untold numbers of useless legislation finding them and deporting them... You could do away with that... Give them citizenship... And let them effing pay taxes...

Defend the border but have it so its like Cuba - You get here, past the security, you stay here and you become a citizen a year later. Hell what are the estimates now, 13+ million illegal aliens in the country... Are you really going to find and deport 13,000,000 people? Honestly... Put a sign outside - Citizenship that way ---> Registration complete - badabing badaboom - Collect taxes from them.

They get citizenship, the government get 13,000,000 additional residents worth of taxes, you can do away the tens of billions of dollars spent on tracking removing aliens... Win-Win-Win

Of course it will be more complex than that and there will be plenty of aliens who wish to remain illegal and not pay taxes... But better than the terribad system there is now which accomplishes nothing other than catching the occasional group of illegal aliens and tearing families/communities apart and deporting them home with notihng...

I say screw all those laws... It doesn't stop the illegal immigration... It doesn't stop people from hiring them...

Just give them citizenship... They already come here, they already live here, they already work here... So why spend billions of dollars and pass untold numbers of useless legislation finding them and deporting them... You could do away with that... Give them citizenship... And let them effing pay taxes...

Buttons1990

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I say screw all those laws... It doesn't stop the illegal immigration... It doesn't stop people from hiring them...

Just give them citizenship... They already come here, they already live here, they already work here... So why spend billions of dollars and pass untold numbers of useless legislation finding them and deporting them... You could do away with that... Give them citizenship... And let them effing pay taxes...

Ninja-Hippo

Racism and xenophobia shouldn't be the basis for deciding for or against national legislation in 2011. If that is honestly the case then it is sad.

I say screw all those laws... It doesn't stop the illegal immigration... It doesn't stop people from hiring them...

Just give them citizenship... They already come here, they already live here, they already work here... So why spend billions of dollars and pass untold numbers of useless legislation finding them and deporting them... You could do away with that... Give them citizenship... And let them effing pay taxes...

Defend the border but have it so its like Cuba - You get here, past the security, you stay here and you become a citizen a year later. Hell what are the estimates now, 13+ million illegal aliens in the country... Are you really going to find and deport 13,000,000 people? Honestly... Put a sign outside - Citizenship that way ---> Registration complete - badabing badaboom - Collect taxes from them.

They get citizenship, the government get 13,000,000 additional residents worth of taxes, you can do away the tens of billions of dollars spent on tracking removing aliens... Win-Win-Win

Of course it will be more complex than that and there will be plenty of aliens who wish to remain illegal and not pay taxes... But better than the terribad system there is now which accomplishes nothing other than catching the occasional group of illegal aliens and tearing families/communities apart and deporting them home with notihng...

Buttons1990

You probably mean amnesty rather than citizenship. A person doesn't have to be a citizen in order to collect taxes from them.

This is ok, and probably what needs to be done across the country. (I'm agreeing with alabama legislation, oh my god)

It does seem kind of odd that it's in this state though, they don't even boarder mexico or canada.

Racism maybe?

I say screw all those laws... It doesn't stop the illegal immigration... It doesn't stop people from hiring them...

Just give them citizenship... They already come here, they already live here, they already work here... So why spend billions of dollars and pass untold numbers of useless legislation finding them and deporting them... You could do away with that... Give them citizenship... And let them effing pay taxes...

Defend the border but have it so its like Cuba - You get here, past the security, you stay here and you become a citizen a year later. Hell what are the estimates now, 13+ million illegal aliens in the country... Are you really going to find and deport 13,000,000 people? Honestly... Put a sign outside - Citizenship that way ---> Registration complete - badabing badaboom - Collect taxes from them.

They get citizenship, the government get 13,000,000 additional residents worth of taxes, you can do away the tens of billions of dollars spent on tracking removing aliens... Win-Win-Win

Of course it will be more complex than that and there will be plenty of aliens who wish to remain illegal and not pay taxes... But better than the terribad system there is now which accomplishes nothing other than catching the occasional group of illegal aliens and tearing families/communities apart and deporting them home with notihng...

Buttons1990

That's actually pretty logical.

I say screw all those laws... It doesn't stop the illegal immigration... It doesn't stop people from hiring them...

Just give them citizenship... They already come here, they already live here, they already work here... So why spend billions of dollars and pass untold numbers of useless legislation finding them and deporting them... You could do away with that... Give them citizenship... And let them effing pay taxes...

Defend the border but have it so its like Cuba - You get here, past the security, you stay here and you become a citizen a year later. Hell what are the estimates now, 13+ million illegal aliens in the country... Are you really going to find and deport 13,000,000 people? Honestly... Put a sign outside - Citizenship that way ---> Registration complete - badabing badaboom - Collect taxes from them.

They get citizenship, the government get 13,000,000 additional residents worth of taxes, you can do away the tens of billions of dollars spent on tracking removing aliens... Win-Win-Win

Of course it will be more complex than that and there will be plenty of aliens who wish to remain illegal and not pay taxes... But better than the terribad system there is now which accomplishes nothing other than catching the occasional group of illegal aliens and tearing families/communities apart and deporting them home with notihng...

Buttons1990

I say screw all those laws... It doesn't stop the illegal immigration... It doesn't stop people from hiring them...

Just give them citizenship... They already come here, they already live here, they already work here... So why spend billions of dollars and pass untold numbers of useless legislation finding them and deporting them... You could do away with that... Give them citizenship... And let them effing pay taxes...

Defend the border but have it so its like Cuba - You get here, past the security, you stay here and you become a citizen a year later. Hell what are the estimates now, 13+ million illegal aliens in the country... Are you really going to find and deport 13,000,000 people? Honestly... Put a sign outside - Citizenship that way ---> Registration complete - badabing badaboom - Collect taxes from them.

They get citizenship, the government get 13,000,000 additional residents worth of taxes, you can do away the tens of billions of dollars spent on tracking removing aliens... Win-Win-Win

Of course it will be more complex than that and there will be plenty of aliens who wish to remain illegal and not pay taxes... But better than the terribad system there is now which accomplishes nothing other than catching the occasional group of illegal aliens and tearing families/communities apart and deporting them home with notihng...

Buttons1990

And one fundamental flaw with your plan: illegal immigrants pay taxes.

I say screw all those laws... It doesn't stop the illegal immigration... It doesn't stop people from hiring them...

Just give them citizenship... They already come here, they already live here, they already work here... So why spend billions of dollars and pass untold numbers of useless legislation finding them and deporting them... You could do away with that... Give them citizenship... And let them effing pay taxes...

Defend the border but have it so its like Cuba - You get here, past the security, you stay here and you become a citizen a year later. Hell what are the estimates now, 13+ million illegal aliens in the country... Are you really going to find and deport 13,000,000 people? Honestly... Put a sign outside - Citizenship that way ---> Registration complete - badabing badaboom - Collect taxes from them.

They get citizenship, the government get 13,000,000 additional residents worth of taxes, you can do away the tens of billions of dollars spent on tracking removing aliens... Win-Win-Win

Of course it will be more complex than that and there will be plenty of aliens who wish to remain illegal and not pay taxes... But better than the terribad system there is now which accomplishes nothing other than catching the occasional group of illegal aliens and tearing families/communities apart and deporting them home with notihng...

Buttons1990

So, you're pretty much telling the legal immigrants who got visas and took the right path to get over here that they wasted their time and money. Instead, they should have just flew into Mexico (assuming they're not already Mexican) and crossed the border since it would be free that way rather than the hundreds or thousands of dollars they spent getting here legally. Some people say racism is what's stopping us from doing your suggestion but the real reason is because it's a slap in the face to the people who legally came here (my wife included).

I'm not against amnesty for people who were very young when they came here, they had no power in the situation especially if they were only four or five when they got here. But I don't agree with giving amnesty to somebody just because they hid in the back of a truck or overstayed a tourist visa. Also, it seems like a lot of people misunderstood the concept of being an "anchor baby." Just because you have a kid in the US doesn't mean you're immune from deportation. You can still be deported and the government could make you choose between leaving your child with friends or family in the US or taking your child with you. In addition to that, a person can't apply for a visa for their parent until they're 21.