This is because the "album" is a dead medium now. This isn't 1960 anymore. Unfortunately the record industry refuses to change and will go to any lengths to prevent the evolution of the buisness.
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This is because the "album" is a dead medium now. This isn't 1960 anymore. Unfortunately the record industry refuses to change and will go to any lengths to prevent the evolution of the buisness.
Not true. There are still people that like a band enough to want an album....This is because the "album" is a dead medium now. This isn't 1960 anymore. Unfortunately the record industry refuses to change and will go to any lengths to prevent the evolution of the buisness.
Pixel-Pirate
And they need financial backing by their record company for those shows. As for that link.....with piracy costing artists money...it's logical that live shows would surpass money spent on buying music. That's the thing, they don't need them to book gigs. Do they need an agent? Sure. They don't need a record company to do that. Only in the old business model. You must not have read the article, because artists aren't losing the money, the record companies are; which is fine by me.[QUOTE="cybrcatter"]
Of course they are not, but they don't have any control of that aspect of revenue. They do, however, have exceedingly more control and influence in live performances. I have a budget constraint for how much I'm going to spend on music. I'm happy to spend it on the bands I like, and I would rather spend it going to see the band, than buying a CD.
Many of the artists are not the ones bearing the grunt of this pain:LJS9502_basic
And they need financial backing by their record company for those shows. As for that link.....with piracy costing artists money...it's logical that live shows would surpass money spent on buying music. That's the thing, they don't need them to book gigs. Do they need an agent? Sure. They don't need a record company to do that. Only in the old business model. You must not have read the article, because artists aren't losing the money, the record companies are; which is fine by me. You know it does cost money to go on tour.....:|[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]
[QUOTE="cybrcatter"]
Of course they are not, but they don't have any control of that aspect of revenue. They do, however, have exceedingly more control and influence in live performances. I have a budget constraint for how much I'm going to spend on music. I'm happy to spend it on the bands I like, and I would rather spend it going to see the band, than buying a CD.
Many of the artists are not the ones bearing the grunt of this pain:cybrcatter
And the point of companies losing money is the bands/music suffers. Less bands signed...less tours. More of the radio music. Wow...a music paradise all because people can't spend a few dollars for their entertainment. Sense of entitlement kills everything....:|
And they need financial backing by their record company for those shows. As for that link.....with piracy costing artists money...it's logical that live shows would surpass money spent on buying music. That's the thing, they don't need them to book gigs. Do they need an agent? Sure. They don't need a record company to do that. Only in the old business model. You must not have read the article, because artists aren't losing the money, the record companies are; which is fine by me.The record company doesn't just book the shows... They also fund the shows... An agent isn't doing that for the artists[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]
[QUOTE="cybrcatter"]
Of course they are not, but they don't have any control of that aspect of revenue. They do, however, have exceedingly more control and influence in live performances. I have a budget constraint for how much I'm going to spend on music. I'm happy to spend it on the bands I like, and I would rather spend it going to see the band, than buying a CD.
Many of the artists are not the ones bearing the grunt of this pain:cybrcatter
[QUOTE="UbiquitousAeon"]Buy from Amazon alt sellers dude, I frequently get CDs for way less then $10. I used to buy CDs on Amazon, now I don't buy CDs at all. If I want to look at the album covers, I'll go to google image search. If I want to read the lyrics, I'll look it up or use my ears. It's a waste of my shelf space. I'd rather save it for video games, the only thing I ever care to physically collect. I have no use for CDs because all they do is sit there. Just like another use said, I end up transferring the files to my computer and then back them up on one of my flash devices, I only have around 6gb of music and it probably will never exceed 10GBs. There's no point in keeping useless plastic around if it's not something I care for. I know some people like to collect music cd's or films, but I am not that way, I'm a video game collector, not a music CD collector. CDs have no sentimental value to me, I stopped at 15 and threw them in a box somewhere. Although I have thought about collecting films before, I've decided to not do it yet, I'm waiting for blu-rays to become cheap before I do.Awesome, CD's shouldn' cost more than 10 dollars.
Darth-Caedus
No it isn't. What is lame is the stupid sense of entitlement some people feel to get other peoples hard work for free.Paying for music is so lame...I'm not surprised.
Loco_Live
I think I mentioned this in another thread, but this is whyI hate when peoplecomplain about their favorite music not being more well known and then they go and pirate albums. Record labels aren't going to get behind music that doesn't sell.
It might be because of the lack of quality albums to buy. :sMr_CumberdaleThe only people that have a lack of quality albums to buy are those too lazy to look for them, I have upwards of 600 quality albums just on my amazon wishlist, and a hell of a lot more beyond that that I want to get.
Buy from Amazon alt sellers dude, I frequently get CDs for way less then $10. I used to buy CDs on Amazon, now I don't buy CDs at all. If I want to look at the album covers, I'll go to google image search. If I want to read the lyrics, I'll look it up or use my ears. It's a waste of my shelf space. I'd rather save it for video games, the only thing I ever care to physically collect. I have no use for CDs because all they do is sit there. Just like another use said, I end up transferring the files to my computer and then back them up on one of my flash devices, I only have around 6gb of music and it probably will never exceed 10GBs. There's no point in keeping useless plastic around if it's not something I care for. I know some people like to collect music cd's or films, but I am not that way, I'm a video game collector, not a music CD collector. CDs have no sentimental value to me, I stopped at 15 and threw them in a box somewhere. Although I have thought about collecting films before, I've decided to not do it yet, I'm waiting for blu-rays to become cheap before I do.Uh...[QUOTE="Darth-Caedus"][QUOTE="UbiquitousAeon"]
Awesome, CD's shouldn' cost more than 10 dollars.
UbiquitousAeon
I think he was referring to the cost of CDs, not the physical albums.
The user you quoted was just pointing out a legal way to get albums cheap... He said nothing about the medium they are being delivered on
I used to buy CDs on Amazon, now I don't buy CDs at all. If I want to look at the album covers, I'll go to google image search. If I want to read the lyrics, I'll look it up or use my ears. It's a waste of my shelf space. I'd rather save it for video games, the only thing I ever care to physically collect. I have no use for CDs because all they do is sit there. Just like another use said, I end up transferring the files to my computer and then back them up on one of my flash devices, I only have around 6gb of music and it probably will never exceed 10GBs. There's no point in keeping useless plastic around if it's not something I care for. I know some people like to collect music cd's or films, but I am not that way, I'm a video game collector, not a music CD collector. CDs have no sentimental value to me, I stopped at 15 and threw them in a box somewhere. Although I have thought about collecting films before, I've decided to not do it yet, I'm waiting for blu-rays to become cheap before I do.Uh...[QUOTE="UbiquitousAeon"]
[QUOTE="Darth-Caedus"] Buy from Amazon alt sellers dude, I frequently get CDs for way less then $10. BuryMe
I think he was referring to the cost of CDs, not the physical albums.
The user you quoted was just pointing out a legal way to get albums cheap... He said nothing about the medium they are being delivered on
He said CD's. A non physical album isn't called a CD, it's called a digital album.Uh...[QUOTE="BuryMe"]
[QUOTE="UbiquitousAeon"] I used to buy CDs on Amazon, now I don't buy CDs at all. If I want to look at the album covers, I'll go to google image search. If I want to read the lyrics, I'll look it up or use my ears. It's a waste of my shelf space. I'd rather save it for video games, the only thing I ever care to physically collect. I have no use for CDs because all they do is sit there. Just like another use said, I end up transferring the files to my computer and then back them up on one of my flash devices, I only have around 6gb of music and it probably will never exceed 10GBs. There's no point in keeping useless plastic around if it's not something I care for. I know some people like to collect music cd's or films, but I am not that way, I'm a video game collector, not a music CD collector. CDs have no sentimental value to me, I stopped at 15 and threw them in a box somewhere. Although I have thought about collecting films before, I've decided to not do it yet, I'm waiting for blu-rays to become cheap before I do.
UbiquitousAeon
I think he was referring to the cost of CDs, not the physical albums.
The user you quoted was just pointing out a legal way to get albums cheap... He said nothing about the medium they are being delivered on
He said CD's. A non physical album isn't called a CD, it's called a digital album.He was responding you your point that, and I quote, "CDs shouldn't cost more than 10 dollars."He just pointed out a way to get them cheaper, then you launched into a fairly long post about how you prefer DD... I just didn't see the connection between his post and your reply.
And I appologize for the wording in my post. I don't really know what I was thinking when I started tha tlast one :P
He said CD's. A non physical album isn't called a CD, it's called a digital album.He was responding you your point that, and I quote, "CDs shouldn't cost more than 10 dollars."[QUOTE="UbiquitousAeon"]
[QUOTE="BuryMe"]Uh...
I think he was referring to the cost of CDs, not the physical albums.
The user you quoted was just pointing out a legal way to get albums cheap... He said nothing about the medium they are being delivered on
BuryMe
He just pointed out a way to get them cheaper, then you launched into a fairly long post about how you prefer DD... I just didn't see the connection between his post and your reply
I do.This is because the "album" is a dead medium now. This isn't 1960 anymore. Unfortunately the record industry refuses to change and will go to any lengths to prevent the evolution of the buisness.
Pixel-Pirate
The day the "album" dies is the day that music dies.
[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]
This is because the "album" is a dead medium now. This isn't 1960 anymore. Unfortunately the record industry refuses to change and will go to any lengths to prevent the evolution of the buisness.
DarkGamer007
The day the "album" dies is the day that music dies.
I thought the day music died was the day the Big Bopper, Buddy Holly and Richie Vallens died :?Just ilke Don McLean said
[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]
This is because the "album" is a dead medium now. This isn't 1960 anymore. Unfortunately the record industry refuses to change and will go to any lengths to prevent the evolution of the buisness.
The day the "album" dies is the day that music dies.
I agree with this statement. Its like there never being physical paintings anymore. Just pictures done the computer :|[QUOTE="DarkGamer007"]
[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]
This is because the "album" is a dead medium now. This isn't 1960 anymore. Unfortunately the record industry refuses to change and will go to any lengths to prevent the evolution of the buisness.
BuryMe
The day the "album" dies is the day that music dies.
I thought the day music died was the day the Big Bopper, Buddy Holly and Richie Vallens died :?Just ilke Don McLean said
Ok fine it is the day the already dead music gets shot in the face and kicked in the stomach. :P Is that better? :P
For most musicians it never was a good paying job.reasons
you can buy songs online
reason 2
you can download them iligally free online.
guest being an artest isnt a good paying job anymore.
T_REX305
It might be because of the lack of quality albums to buy. :sMr_CumberdaleThere's plenty of quality albums to buy. I don't understand why people are so closed minded about anything released after the 80's.
No, your sense of entitlement to their music is lame.Paying for music is so lame...I'm not surprised.
Loco_Live
Yeah, if it wasn't for merchandise and shows musicians would probably have no way of supporting themselves, the amount of money they make from album sales is terrible, unless they self release and advertise the **** out of it.It doesn't really matter. Bands get more than enough money just from merch and shows.
RobboElRobbo
[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]Not true. There are still people that like a band enough to want an album....This is because the "album" is a dead medium now. This isn't 1960 anymore. Unfortunately the record industry refuses to change and will go to any lengths to prevent the evolution of the buisness.
LJS9502_basic
And there are people who still like vinyl.
They are a small minority.
Its like there never being physical paintings anymore. Just pictures done the computer :|Swanogt19Poor analogy lol.
[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]
This is because the "album" is a dead medium now. This isn't 1960 anymore. Unfortunately the record industry refuses to change and will go to any lengths to prevent the evolution of the buisness.
DarkGamer007
The day the "album" dies is the day that music dies.
Music has existed essentially since we were evolved enough to bang two things together. It does not hindge on a billion dollar industries ability to package songs into a bundle and sell them.
That's the thing, they don't need them to book gigs. Do they need an agent? Sure. They don't need a record company to do that. Only in the old business model. You must not have read the article, because artists aren't losing the money, the record companies are; which is fine by me. You know it does cost money to go on tour.....:|[QUOTE="cybrcatter"]
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]And they need financial backing by their record company for those shows. As for that link.....with piracy costing artists money...it's logical that live shows would surpass money spent on buying music.
LJS9502_basic
And the point of companies losing money is the bands/music suffers. Less bands signed...less tours. More of the radio music. Wow...a music paradise all because people can't spend a few dollars for their entertainment. Sense of entitlement kills everything....:|
I spend plenty of money on LIVE entertainment, as do many. And live revenue has been increasing steadily for years. I say give you're recorded music away. Show me that your band rocks, show me why I should see you live. Convince me that I should buy your real product: your live performance. With the internet, it's easier than ever for bands to bypass the the parasitic labels and advertise directly to the people. This has already happened with several bands on Youtube and music sites. Bands that would not have otherwise had a shot at getting recognition. They may not be Lady gaga, but not all bands need to be international hits. I pay money quite regularly to bands that are from and play in Milwaukee. Like the rest of us, they are not megamillioniars, but they are doing what they love, and enough people like them so that they can do it for a living. Record labels only take bands that are going to appeal to the broadest range of people. They pick them, pour money into them, and try to ride the cash cow out as much as they can. They are a hindrance to innovation in what is supposed to be an art form.Not true. There are still people that like a band enough to want an album....[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]
This is because the "album" is a dead medium now. This isn't 1960 anymore. Unfortunately the record industry refuses to change and will go to any lengths to prevent the evolution of the buisness.
Pixel-Pirate
And there are people who still like vinyl.
They are a small minority.
Just for clarification when you say album are you refering to a physical CD or vinyl or to the concept of an album which is a series of songs that tell a story or are in someway related?
Who decides how much money is "more than enough?"It doesn't really matter. Bands get more than enough money just from merch and shows.
RobboElRobbo
Who decides how much money is "more than enough?" rich get richer and the poor get poorer.[QUOTE="RobboElRobbo"]
It doesn't really matter. Bands get more than enough money just from merch and shows.
entropyecho
[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Not true. There are still people that like a band enough to want an album....DarkGamer007
And there are people who still like vinyl.
They are a small minority.
Just for clarification when you say album are you refering to a physical CD or vinyl or to the concept of an album which is a series of songs that tell a story or are in someway related?
The former.
Not many albums operate as the latter. Maybe a few very unknown bands and classical music but well known bands generally don't have their entire album telling a story.
What if your boss and all your future bosses decided paying you to work for them was lame? Why put such a ridiculous double standard on musicians?Paying for music is so lame...I'm not surprised.
Loco_Live
This, but the whole economy sucks right now.Is this as in physical CDs?
Because if so, I'm not surprised - I pretty much only buy my music in digital format, being that the only thing I ever do with albums is rip them to my computer and then shelve them.
GabuEx
Only the ones who can get big enough concerts to sell loads of merch and tickets. Otherwise, it's usually 1. band works part time/fulltime jobs while recording album. 2. Band Releases album 3. Band goes on tour using paltry label allowance for tour, plus the savings from their part/full-time jobs. 4. Band returns from tour and goes back to jobs to save up for next album and tourDon't musicians make more money from concerts than CDs?
entropyecho
[QUOTE="DarkGamer007"]
[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]
And there are people who still like vinyl.
They are a small minority.
Pixel-Pirate
Just for clarification when you say album are you refering to a physical CD or vinyl or to the concept of an album which is a series of songs that tell a story or are in someway related?
The former.
Not many albums operate as the latter. Maybe a few very unknown bands and classical music but well known bands generally don't have their entire album telling a story.
Doesn't have to be a story. An Album often rotates around a thematic sound, where each track can relate to each other cohesively.You're not getting how the business works. *shrugs*[I spend plenty of money on LIVE entertainment, as do many. And live revenue has been increasing steadily for years. I say give you're recorded music away. Show me that your band rocks, show me why I should see you live. Convince me that I should buy your real product: your live performance. With the internet, it's easier than ever for bands to bypass the the parasitic labels and advertise directly to the people. This has already happened with several bands on Youtube and music sites. Bands that would not have otherwise had a shot at getting recognition. They may not be , but not all bands need to be international hits. I pay money quite regularly to bands that are from and play in Milwaukee. Like the rest of us, they are not megamillioniars, but they are doing what they love, and enough people like them so that they can do it for a living. Record labels only take bands that are going to appeal to the broadest range of people. They pick them, pour money into them, and try to ride the cash cow out as much as they can. They are a hindrance to innovation in what is supposed to be an art form.
cybrcatter
Yeah, if it wasn't for merchandise and shows musicians would probably have no way of supporting themselves, the amount of money they make from album sales is terrible, unless they self release and advertise the **** out of it. Many small labels sign artists to deals that give their bands 35-60% of the revenue of each album sale. Much like Walmart doesn't expect to sell as many TVs as they do snickers bars, the return of profit on each is vastly different. Bands on small labels don't have the mass distribution and marketing and often don't have as many people dipping into the revenue, so it can be split very evenly and both sides come out rosy. Big label acts make a small fraction of each album sale because they are meant to sell in volume.[QUOTE="RobboElRobbo"]
It doesn't really matter. Bands get more than enough money just from merch and shows.
UbiquitousAeon
People are mostly just doing digital downloading, and they are buying single songs rather than a whole album. Makes a lot of sense to me.Z0MBIESIt makes no sense at all to me. If a band can only make a few decent songs, that band just sucks and isn't worth my time. I judge a band on their ability to put together a good album, if they fail at that, they just fail.
[QUOTE="DarkGamer007"]
[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]
And there are people who still like vinyl.
They are a small minority.
Pixel-Pirate
Just for clarification when you say album are you refering to a physical CD or vinyl or to the concept of an album which is a series of songs that tell a story or are in someway related?
The former.
Not many albums operate as the latter. Maybe a few very unknown bands and classical music but well known bands generally don't have their entire album telling a story.
And many people still like the album......and many bands can create good albums. If it's one song only....look for a minor career for bands.There aren't many good bands out right now. This really isn't surprising.psychobrewLast I counted, there were at least 100 good albums that came out last year, and at least 100 the year prior to that. And the year before that. By what standard do you claim there aren't many good bands out right now? What number is this "many"? The past decade has been incredibly fruitful in terms of quality music.
If you missed out then that's too bad, but don't whitewash over the musicians who put out a quality product just because you didn't take the time to look around. The music industry doesn't hand you platters of albums to hear like the stack of pancakes you get with breakfast in bed.
I will continue to buy CD's because my car only has a CD player, and I love listening to my music on the road. Plus, I like to have a physical copy of something I payed for, it's far more satisfying.
I hate the way people today feel they are entitled to entertainment. They illegally download music, movies and games because they think they are owed something. In the end, all they are doing is ensuring that the people who produce these entertainment products will go out of business and no one will get to enjoy it. Basically, they are screwing everyone over because they don't want to have to pay for stuff.
Last I counted, there were at least 100 good albums that came out last year, and at least 100 the year prior to that. And the year before that. By what standard do you claim there aren't many good bands out right now? What number is this "many"? The past decade has been incredibly fruitful in terms of quality music.[QUOTE="psychobrew"]There aren't many good bands out right now. This really isn't surprising.Lockedge
If you missed out then that's too bad, but don't whitewash over the musicians who put out a quality product just because you didn't take the time to look around. The music industry doesn't hand you platters of albums to hear like the stack of pancakes you get with breakfast in bed.
So lets hear some of them. There aren't many ground breaking bands out right now (at least that are popular or being pushed by the music industry). This is the copy cat age for rock.
Sales as measured by what criteria? In the digital age, many of the old rules of capitalism no longer apply, and the nature of capitalism must change to keep up with the times, downloadable media aside. As a side note, modern capitalism can no longer get away with propaganda designed to provoke feelings of guilt upon the "consumer".
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