Robbery Suspect Gregory Smith: God Was 'Working Through' Clerk Angela Montez, Who Talked Him Out of Heist
God works in amazing ways...
This topic is locked from further discussion.
Robbery Suspect Gregory Smith: God Was 'Working Through' Clerk Angela Montez, Who Talked Him Out of Heist
God works in amazing ways...
What do you think caused him to Be calm and have a sense of being? Unless you do not believe in god then forgive me as i do not wish an endless argument.(No offense meant)Being calm and having a sense of being in control doesn't mean God's doing anything.
foxhound_fox
God works in amazing ways...theintrospect79Not really, the idea of going to jail will make a lot of youngwannabe robbers change their minds.
[QUOTE="theintrospect79"]God works in amazing ways...MushroomWigNot really, the idea of going to jail will make a lot of youngwannabe robbers change their minds.
haha yea
"All right I am gonna rob this place"
*walks into store*
"Oooh crap I immediately regret this decision"
*looks for a way out, spots praying lady*
"Oh, Halleluja sister! Please forgive me, and speak well of me at my potential trial! Here, take the gun on good faith!"
*runs away*
What do you think caused him to Be calm and have a sense of being? Unless you do not believe in god then forgive me as i do not wish an endless argument.(No offense meant)krazy-blazerActually, I was referring to the cashier. If you as a cashier remain calm, and if you are confident enough (despite what your employer might tell you) you can easily talk your way out of being robbed. All this suggests to me is that the cashier was being calm, courteous and confident, remaining in control of the situation and talking her way out of it. Or it suggests to me that the robber wasn't as serious as he may have seemed from the start.
What do you think caused him to Be calm and have a sense of being?)krazy-blazerThe thought of going to jail for a long time and not seeing his family, that's pretty much it. He realised the reality of his situation and common sense took over.
Actually, I was referring to the cashier. If you as a cashier remain calm, and if you are confident enough (despite what your employer might tell you) you can easily talk your way out of being robbed. All this suggests to me is that the cashier was being calm, courteous and confident, remaining in control of the situation and talking her way out of it. Or it suggests to me that the robber wasn't as serious as he may have seemed from the start.[QUOTE="krazy-blazer"]What do you think caused him to Be calm and have a sense of being? Unless you do not believe in god then forgive me as i do not wish an endless argument.(No offense meant)foxhound_fox
When I read this story, picturing a calm clerk was the furthest thing from my mind. Must have been when it mentioned how scare the clerk was. As far as whether the young man was serious or not is another story. Since you were not there, you really do not know and we can only make assumptions at this point.
I read the story and the first thing, as a Christian, that crossed my mind was that I really hope this young man turns his life around. I didn't stop to think about any type of proof of God or anything like that. Why can't we all just be thankful no one was hurt in this and hope this young man really turns life around? To each his own I guess.
Actually, I was referring to the cashier. If you as a cashier remain calm, and if you are confident enough (despite what your employer might tell you) you can easily talk your way out of being robbed.[QUOTE="krazy-blazer"]What do you think caused him to Be calm and have a sense of being? Unless you do not believe in god then forgive me as i do not wish an endless argument.(No offense meant)foxhound_fox
...or you could get shot in the face
Good for them, but I fail to see where exactly does God come into this story.
All it is is a troubled, middle-aged man attempting to rob a convenience store because he couldn't find a job, but in the end he just didn't have the heart to go through with it. It's all perfectly logical, there's no evidence to suggest divine intervention whatsoever.
Why is God bothering with some hoodlum when a child dies every 3 seconds and people are being born with AIDs every day?
urdead18
The Lord works in myterious ways, saving this no-name is all part of his master plan. :roll:
Because God loves us all.Why is God bothering with some hoodlum when a child dies every 3 seconds and people are being born with AIDs every day?
urdead18
[QUOTE="urdead18"]Because God loves us all.Why is God bothering with some hoodlum when a child dies every 3 seconds and people are being born with AIDs every day?
MushroomWig
Except for those dying children and people born with aids, of course. :P
Because God loves us all.[QUOTE="MushroomWig"][QUOTE="urdead18"]
Why is God bothering with some hoodlum when a child dies every 3 seconds and people are being born with AIDs every day?
black_cat19
Except for those dying children and people born with aids, of course. :P
He loves them too, especially people born with disabilities...he loves everyone! He has a plan for everyone remember. :P[QUOTE="black_cat19"][QUOTE="MushroomWig"] Because God loves us all.MushroomWig
Except for those dying children and people born with aids, of course. :P
He loves them too, especially people born with disabilities...he loves everyone! He has a plan for everyone remember. :PYeah, I know that argument doesn't really hold any water, I just felt like being obnoxious. Glad I didn't start a fight. :P
Yeah, I know that argument doesn't really hold any water, I just felt like being obnoxious. Glad I didn't start a fight. :P
black_cat19
You were...
this close.
:P
[QUOTE="black_cat19"]
Yeah, I know that argument doesn't really hold any water, I just felt like being obnoxious. Glad I didn't start a fight. :P
battlefront23
You were...
*pic*
this close.
:P
:shock:
I'm sorry! :cry:
Glad I didn't start a fight. :POf course not, I respect anyone who believes in God but I'm 100% atheist. :Pblack_cat19
Of course not, I respect anyone who believes in God but I'm 100% atheist. :P[QUOTE="black_cat19"]Glad I didn't start a fight. :P
MushroomWig
And with that you've just become one of my favorite OT users. :D
Lol it's ok. Wasn't really in the mood to argue anyway. I'm so tired.:shock:
I'm sorry! :cry:
black_cat19
Of course not, I respect anyone who believes in God but I'm 100% atheist. :PWay to be, man. Way to be.MushroomWig
Of course not, I respect anyone who believes in God but I'm 100% atheist. :P[QUOTE="MushroomWig"]
[QUOTE="black_cat19"]Glad I didn't start a fight. :P
black_cat19
And with that you've just become one of my favorite OT users. :D
^_^ Good. I'm pretty happy that the guy saw sense anyway, if he's found religion then at least he'll never do this again. xDThis reminds me of the time when people were discovering miracles in the wake of 9/11, by finding some guy who didn't die, or so forth, while ignoring the fact that, well, these terrorist attacks kind of happened and God didn't seem to do anything about them.
I mean it's a great story and all, but given the murder rate in the United States, God's track record of miraculously stopping people from committing terrible crimes seems... lacking, if indeed these are acts of God. I don't understand why people are so quick to attribute these things to God while ignoring all of the things that God definitely didn't do that put in serious question whether this actually was an act of God. And I'm not an atheist.
This reminds me of the time when people were discovering miracles in the wake of 9/11, by finding some guy who didn't die, or so forth, while ignoring the fact that, well, these terrorist attacks kind of happened and God didn't seem to do anything about them.
I mean it's a great story and all, but given the murder rate in the United States, God's track record of miraculously stopping people from committing terrible crimes seems... lacking, if indeed these are acts of God. I don't understand why people are so quick to attribute these things to God while ignoring all of the things that God definitely didn't do that put in serious question whether this actually was an act of God. And I'm not an atheist.
GabuEx
There certainly would be less crime if everyone loved one another in my opinion. What do you think GabuEx?
Robbery Suspect Gregory Smith: God Was 'Working Through' Clerk Angela Montez, Who Talked Him Out of Heist
God works in amazing ways...
Bet you anything this will be on the 700 Club soon.[QUOTE="GabuEx"]
This reminds me of the time when people were discovering miracles in the wake of 9/11, by finding some guy who didn't die, or so forth, while ignoring the fact that, well, these terrorist attacks kind of happened and God didn't seem to do anything about them.
I mean it's a great story and all, but given the murder rate in the United States, God's track record of miraculously stopping people from committing terrible crimes seems... lacking, if indeed these are acts of God. I don't understand why people are so quick to attribute these things to God while ignoring all of the things that God definitely didn't do that put in serious question whether this actually was an act of God. And I'm not an atheist.
GTbiking4life
There certainly would be less crime if everyone loved one another in my opinion. What do you think GabuEx?
you know that most WARS are fueled by religion, right?[QUOTE="GabuEx"]
This reminds me of the time when people were discovering miracles in the wake of 9/11, by finding some guy who didn't die, or so forth, while ignoring the fact that, well, these terrorist attacks kind of happened and God didn't seem to do anything about them.
I mean it's a great story and all, but given the murder rate in the United States, God's track record of miraculously stopping people from committing terrible crimes seems... lacking, if indeed these are acts of God. I don't understand why people are so quick to attribute these things to God while ignoring all of the things that God definitely didn't do that put in serious question whether this actually was an act of God. And I'm not an atheist.
GTbiking4life
There certainly would be less crime if everyone loved one another in my opinion. What do you think GabuEx?
Well, obviously, but I'm not really sure what relevance that has to this...
[QUOTE="GTbiking4life"][QUOTE="GabuEx"]
This reminds me of the time when people were discovering miracles in the wake of 9/11, by finding some guy who didn't die, or so forth, while ignoring the fact that, well, these terrorist attacks kind of happened and God didn't seem to do anything about them.
I mean it's a great story and all, but given the murder rate in the United States, God's track record of miraculously stopping people from committing terrible crimes seems... lacking, if indeed these are acts of God. I don't understand why people are so quick to attribute these things to God while ignoring all of the things that God definitely didn't do that put in serious question whether this actually was an act of God. And I'm not an atheist.
imaps3fanboy
There certainly would be less crime if everyone loved one another in my opinion. What do you think GabuEx?
you know that most WARS are fueled by religion, right?Someone, somewhere had to make the decision to go to war. Mind explaining how that has anything to do with my post?
you know that most WARS are fueled by religion, right?[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"][QUOTE="GTbiking4life"]
There certainly would be less crime if everyone loved one another in my opinion. What do you think GabuEx?
GTbiking4life
Someone, somewhere had to make the decision to go to war. Mind explaining how that has anything to do with my post?
you were talking about that if we loved one another, violence would be go down..[QUOTE="GTbiking4life"]
[QUOTE="GabuEx"]
This reminds me of the time when people were discovering miracles in the wake of 9/11, by finding some guy who didn't die, or so forth, while ignoring the fact that, well, these terrorist attacks kind of happened and God didn't seem to do anything about them.
I mean it's a great story and all, but given the murder rate in the United States, God's track record of miraculously stopping people from committing terrible crimes seems... lacking, if indeed these are acts of God. I don't understand why people are so quick to attribute these things to God while ignoring all of the things that God definitely didn't do that put in serious question whether this actually was an act of God. And I'm not an atheist.
GabuEx
There certainly would be less crime if everyone loved one another in my opinion. What do you think GabuEx?
Well, obviously, but I'm not really sure what relevance that has to this...
I became a Christian 20 years ago because I understood the teachings of Jesus Christ, just like I understand this world can be a nasty place to live in at times. Either way, looking at the bad things happening in the world does not prove anything. Example: mentioning God's track record when we should look at our own track record in my opinion.
[QUOTE="GTbiking4life"][QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"] you know that most WARS are fueled by religion, right?imaps3fanboy
Someone, somewhere had to make the decision to go to war. Mind explaining how that has anything to do with my post?
you were talking about that if we loved one another, violence would be go down..Wouldn't it? Just think about a world where we all loved one another. Wars are fought because the love is not there.
[QUOTE="GabuEx"]
[QUOTE="GTbiking4life"]
There certainly would be less crime if everyone loved one another in my opinion. What do you think GabuEx?
GTbiking4life
Well, obviously, but I'm not really sure what relevance that has to this...
I became a Christian 20 years ago because I understood the teachings of Jesus Christ, just like I understand this world can be a nasty place to live in at times. Either way, looking at the bad things happening in the world does not prove anything. Example: mentioning God's track record when we should look at our own track record in my opinion.
Ok.. all I'm saying is that religious EXTREMES are the root of a LOT of bad things. Jesus, as an example, was a great philosopher IMO, if more people actually followed what he preached, instead of being ignorant extremists (same goes for other religions) that would solve a lot of problems.you were talking about that if we loved one another, violence would be go down..[QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"][QUOTE="GTbiking4life"]
Someone, somewhere had to make the decision to go to war. Mind explaining how that has anything to do with my post?
GTbiking4life
Wouldn't it? Just think about a world where we all loved one another. Wars are fought because the love is not there.
That would be fine and dandy if there weren't any extremist in any religions.Her Praying might have something to do with it? "At one point, Smith reached for the gun again, which scared Montez into praying for her own forgiveness before what she thought was her death, but Smith took out the only bullet in the gun and gave it to her, Montez said. "Being calm and having a sense of being in control doesn't mean God's doing anything.
foxhound_fox
I became a Christian 20 years ago because I understood the teachings of Jesus Christ, just like I understand this world can be a nasty place to live in at times. Either way, looking at the bad things happening in the world does not prove anything. Example: mentioning God's track record when we should look at our own track record in my opinion.
GTbiking4life
I don't think I've explained myself adequately here.
I'm not questioning that Jesus' teachings are ones that we should follow. I am merely questioning whether this was, indeed, an act of God, on the basis that thousands upon thousands of crimes are perpetrated every day whose perpetrators God does not stop. I find it highly illogical to attribute this to God when there are all those other cases where God clearly did nothing, and which seemed quite similar to this.
That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying that other crimes are God's fault, as though we ought to blame God for them. I'm just saying that I see no reason at all to suppose that this particular story reflects a direct intervention of God. I do not believe that that is how God operates, and I believe that people are trying altogether too hard here to find a validation of their faith.
Please Log In to post.
Log in to comment