Am I the only one who hates "graphic novels"?

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#51 SupaBaddy20
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Im going to ignore that and assume that you agree with me.
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#52 deactivated-5e836a855beb2
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I think anime, comic books, and graphic novels are for children. I get annoyed when I see people at my high school all into anime and into japan and stuff. Grow up.moptopskate
I think you're completely and totally wrong. Grow up.
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#53 savinger
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Settle down.Tomato tomato.
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#54 SupaBaddy20
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[QUOTE="moptopskate"]I think anime, comic books, and graphic novels are for children. I get annoyed when I see people at my high school all into anime and into japan and stuff. Grow up.Jandurin
I think you're completely and totally wrong. Grow up.

Thank you for agreeing with me.
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#55 deactivated-5e836a855beb2
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Thank you for agreeing with me.SupaBaddy20
I didn't agree with you :lol: I disagreed with him. :P
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#56 SupaBaddy20
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[QUOTE="SupaBaddy20"]Thank you for agreeing with me.Jandurin
I didn't agree with you :lol: I disagreed with him. :P

Well I agreed with you.
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#57 194197844077667059316682358889
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This seems as good an opportunity as any I've seen on OT to haul out this very important reference:
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#58 SupaBaddy20
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I OBJECT!!!!!
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#59 viewtiful26
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My oldest brother (who is a comic book collector) once said this about what the term 'graphic novel' means:

Apparently it was first coined by Will Eisner's "A Contract with God", and he used the term because he didn't want anything to think the book was disposible material, seeing some people recycle their old comics -_-.

Anyway, the term comic book also has the tendency to be viewed as something really juvenile, and if you read "A Contract With God" you'll realize that it is much more adult ...

Anyway, here's an Eisner quote on wikipedia.

His calling the book a "graphic novel", Eisner said in that same address, came about on the spur of the moment:

"I called the president of Bantam Books in New York, who I knew had seen my work with The Spirit. Now, this was a very busy guy who didn't have much time to speak to you. So I called him and said, 'There's something I want to show you, something I think is very interesting.'

He said, 'Yeah, well, what is it?'

A little man in my head popped up and said, 'For Christ's sake, stupid, don't tell him it's a comic. He'll hang up on you.' So, I said, 'It's a graphic novel.'

He said, 'Wow! That sounds interesting. Come on up.'

"Well, I did bring it up and he looked at it and looked at me through his reading glasses and said, 'This is a comic book, bring it to a smaller publisher,' which I did. . . . At the time, I thought I had invented the term, but I discovered later that some guy thought about it a few years before I used the term.[2]

Also see... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphic_novel

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#60 SupaBaddy20
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That pretty much justifies the term all together.. Great job. ^_^
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#61 PlasmaBeam44
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I love them.
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#62 Bourbons3
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I don't think I've ever read one.
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#63 mistervengeance
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the difference is comic books are american

while graphic novels are japanese; of course not to say either is limited, i have seen japanese comic books and american graphic novels.

the difference is graphic novels actually have a story while comic books are just about generic superhero A saving generic american smalltown B from supervillain C.

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#64 UssjTrunks
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Anyway, am I the only one who gets the urge to punch a puppy every time someone refers to comic books as "graphic novels"?

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That's mean, but I do get the urge to punch the person who says it.
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#65 martialbullet
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the difference is comic books are american

while graphic novels are japanese; of course not to say either is limited, i have seen japanese comic books and american graphic novels.

the difference is graphic novels actually have a story while comic books are just about generic superhero A saving generic american smalltown B from supervillain C.

mistervengeance

Wow. No.......just no.

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#66 194197844077667059316682358889
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[QUOTE="mistervengeance"]

the difference is comic books are american

while graphic novels are japanese; of course not to say either is limited, i have seen japanese comic books and american graphic novels.

the difference is graphic novels actually have a story while comic books are just about generic superhero A saving generic american smalltown B from supervillain C.

martialbullet

Wow. No.......just no.

Thanks for saying it so I didn't have to. Of course, you and I just don't understand how much more evolved and sophisticated Japanese sensibilities are.
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#67 mistervengeance
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[QUOTE="mistervengeance"]

the difference is comic books are american

while graphic novels are japanese; of course not to say either is limited, i have seen japanese comic books and american graphic novels.

the difference is graphic novels actually have a story while comic books are just about generic superhero A saving generic american smalltown B from supervillain C.

martialbullet

Wow. No.......just no.

well then what is it?

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#68 194197844077667059316682358889
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[QUOTE="martialbullet"][QUOTE="mistervengeance"]

the difference is comic books are american

while graphic novels are japanese; of course not to say either is limited, i have seen japanese comic books and american graphic novels.

the difference is graphic novels actually have a story while comic books are just about generic superhero A saving generic american smalltown B from supervillain C.

mistervengeance

Wow. No.......just no.

well then what is it?

The TC's point is that it is an utterly false distinction, and your impression of American comics seems to be rooted in the 1940's or so.
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#69 martialbullet
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[QUOTE="martialbullet"][QUOTE="mistervengeance"]

the difference is comic books are american

while graphic novels are japanese; of course not to say either is limited, i have seen japanese comic books and american graphic novels.

the difference is graphic novels actually have a story while comic books are just about generic superhero A saving generic american smalltown B from supervillain C.

xaos

Wow. No.......just no.

Thanks for saying it so I didn't have to. Of course, you and I just don't understand how much more evolved and sophisticated Japanese sensibilities are.

I just read it again, and that middle part even contradicts what he's trying to say :?

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#70 mlbslugger86
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call it what it is...a comic book issue collection..not graphic novel
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#71 the_foreign_guy
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I prefer visual novels. ;)
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an invented prose narrative that is usually long and complex and deals especially with human experience through a usually connected sequence of eventsMerriam-Webster Dictionary
long and complex, sure, but ideally, comics are not prose-dominated, so I'd say "novel" isn't a term that should be applied.
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#73 martialbullet
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[QUOTE="martialbullet"][QUOTE="mistervengeance"]

the difference is comic books are american

while graphic novels are japanese; of course not to say either is limited, i have seen japanese comic books and american graphic novels.

the difference is graphic novels actually have a story while comic books are just about generic superhero A saving generic american smalltown B from supervillain C.

mistervengeance

Wow. No.......just no.

well then what is it?

The fact that the terms comic books and graphic novels are not limited to a certain region or any kind of plot structure.

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#74 dave123321
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The TC's point is that it is an utterly false distinction,.xaos

I understand the TC's point that they are still comics. Which they are. I have no problem calling them comics. But I think the term graphic novel is a perfectly good term to use when referring to comics like Watchmen , The Long Halloween and others. The TC says that people call them that because people want to feel better about reading a comic. I do not think that is the case for many. People do not really use the two terms as meaning the same thing. They say graphic novel when they are referring to a serialized comic series that is collected in one book/comic .

I just think that the TC is making an assumption that people who call comics like the watchmen graphic novels are doing so because they do not want to admit that they read comics. I think it makes things easier then just calling all comics comics. I think it is a category of comics , rather then a term used to make people feel better about reading comics.

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#75 Franconomicon
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Yes, you are the only One :D