Amadeus--this movie is awesome

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#51 LikeHaterade
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[QUOTE="LikeHaterade"]

I'm thinking m0zart might have a new, potential avi.

m0zart

I'm getting a new avi? :o

I was going to surprise you with one from Amadeus, but can't find the pic I want. Just disregard that.

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#52 m0zart
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[QUOTE="m0zart"]

I'm getting a new avi? :o

LikeHaterade

I was going to surprise you with one from Amadeus, but can't find the pic I want. Just disregard that.

Awww :( Okay.

Thanks for the thought though. Now if I could just get to that PM I promised you, I wouldn't feel so guilty every time I see your name :)

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#53 LikeHaterade
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Awww :( Okay.

Thanks for the thought though. Now if I could just get to that PM I promised you, I wouldn't feel so guilty every time I see your name :)

m0zart

Haha! The suspense is killing me! I've been eagerly awaiting it! I get all excited when I have a PM in the inbox. xD

That sad face of yours made me feel kind of guilty though. I won't give up just yet. :P

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#54 Jazz_Fan
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Not really a fan of the movie as I found the characters too fictionally polarized which resulted in Mozart being a constant source of irritation and Salieri and constant source of cartoonish scheming to me. Although truth be told I'm not a huge fan of Mozart's works as it is and the movie didn't really help that case any.

I was however amused with the movie playing with the myths surrounding Mozart's Requiem as I believe it's still a mystery as to why he wrote the Requiem and his 40th and 41st symphonies as none of them were commissioned and he never wrote anything for anybody that wasn't commissioned. Although I'm just going off the top of my head as like I said I'm not a huge fan of his so I've never really delved into his history on anything other than a cursory level so I might just be a bit loony on those "facts".

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Your memory must be hazy for not seeing it for 40 years. :P I loved it, I did not see it trying to be accurate in terms of his life but as how we are as people in general, I do not know much about Amadeus but I assume their was plenty of mystery around his life other than his Requiem. Oh and the ending is stunning
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#55 Jazz_Fan
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[QUOTE="Brutal_Elitegs"][QUOTE="sammyjenkis898"] I have the Blu-Ray book.sammyjenkis898

What are you waiting for? :P

That's a good question..

I'll probably watch it tomorrow.

I am sorry what is the Blu-ray and the Blu-Ray book? :?
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#56 deactivated-57e5de5e137a4
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I saw that in junior high. I seem to remember it being good.
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#57 Lord_Daemon
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Your memory must be hazy for not seeing it for 40 years. :P I loved it, I did not see it trying to be accurate in terms of his life but as how we are as people in general, I do not know much about Amadeus but I assume their was plenty of mystery around his life other than his Requiem. Oh and the ending is stunningJazz_Fan

It was only 20 years ago. :(

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#58 Jazz_Fan
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It was only 20 years ago. :(Lord_Daemon
I would say try and re-watch it, with all things in account it still is a greatly made film and probably my favorite from the good ole' Czech new-waver Milos Forman.
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#59 Lord_Daemon
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[QUOTE="Lord_Daemon"]It was only 20 years ago. :(Jazz_Fan
I would say try and re-watch it, with all things in account it still is a greatly made film and probably my favorite from the good ole' Czech new-waver Milos Forman.

MMMmmm...probably not. I'm certainly not faulting it's production values any or performances in terms of acting abilities. But I've seen it a few times because there were always people back in them there days that thought it was the bee knees and I think it's a finely made film, I just find the characters boring and irritable so it's not a fun watch for me.

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#60 Jazz_Fan
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MMMmmm...probably not. I'm certainly not faulting it's production values any or performances in terms of acting abilities. But I've seen it a few times because there were always people back in them there days that thought it was the bee knees and I think it's a finely made film, I just find the characters boring and irritable so it's not a fun watch for me.Lord_Daemon
I could understand that I love the film and I find it difficult to see down and watch it myself. I believe it's 200 minutes, I love long films but it's always hard to find the time to watch them.
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#61 X360PS3AMD05
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I have it on Blu-ray :D
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#62 jubino
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I don't really have much of an urge to run out and see it, and I don't believe that ytmd page helped much. Anyone care to give me a reason why I should want to see it?

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#63 DEVILinIRON
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I haven't seen Amadeus in a long time. I don't think I have ever seen the beginning either. The stuff I saw was enjoyable.

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#64 Brutal_Elitegs
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[QUOTE="Brutal_Elitegs"] I always felt that Amadeus was never supposed to be an accurate biopic of Mozart's life, but more to do with the human condition. m0zart
Indeed. Amadeus was a historical fantasia, similar to Immortal Beloved and Shakespeare in Love in terms of the rather open intent to tell a very romanticized and intentionally rumored story instead of attempting to be a pure biopic. I think what bothers most people is that one of the advertising memes behind the film was "...Everything you've heard is true". However, I've always taken this as a statement about the music rather than specifically the story of the movie or of Shaffer's play. I think what lies at the heart of the play and thus the movie is Salieri's mistaken belief that talent like that of Mozart's is something granted to people as a gift from a God rather than something earned from a lifetime of work. Mozart had an aptitude for what he did, much higher than most, but he still had to work to achieve his mastery. Salieri concentrates so much on Mozart's status in his own mythology as God's instrument (heavily implied by the choice to title the film from "Amadeus", meaning "beloved of God") that he misses this completely. The picture we have at the end is of a man who lost most of his battles in life, but whose hard-earned talent lived on despite the best efforts of his detractors. And to contrast against this, we have the picture of another man who has drifted away into an ultimate failure despite having every opportunity practically handed to him, insisting to the bitter end that Mozart's talents and his (Salieri's) failures were nothing more than the result of an ambivalent God prone to jest,



Did I ever tell you how awesome you are? 8) You articulated most of my thoughts on the film, and much better than I could have. And I agree, Salieri does miss this completely, but it has to be said that Salieri was no layabout - whilst it's probably true that only natural-born talent can't propel one to that of Mozart's level, as incredibly hard work is also needed, I don't think anyone who has a love for music can compose what Mozart did through just sheer hard work and determination, it has to be backed by natural talent I feel. I mean, when you write your first symphony at the age of eight, there's obviously something special about you, and whatever this something is, Salieri feels God is unfair in dishing it out. Simple fact is, life is unfair; there is an inherent randomness to humans (and fundamentally everything) and their ultimate potential in life (whether it being because they're born into poverty; have parents who don't nurture their talents as other parents do; just plain being mentally or physically incapable of doing something, whatever). Maybe Salieri was capable of writing 'Mozartian' music, and had his envy for Mozart and his disdain for God not been so potent, maybe with the help of Mozart he could have achieved this. I did find it funny when Salieri was being proclaimed by Emperor Joseph II as being the greatest living composer, Salieri's first thought was seeing what Mozart thought. He admired Mozart greatly, even though he begrudged to admit it.

As for the title "Amadeus", really, could Peter Shaffer have wished for Mozart's name to be anything better? The meaning of it marries so perfectly with the central themes of the movie. I never noticed until recently, that when Salieri says Amadeushere he looks upwards almost grudgingly; I thought that was a neat touch.

Also, here's food for thought for those who dislike Amadeus because of Mozart's image, while you would be entitled to think that, remember that the story is told through the eyes of Salieri, who has been driven to the brink of insanity. If anyone would like an *accurate* account of Mozart's life, I really liked this docudrama.

I liked Immortal Beloved, but I don't really think its comparable with Amadeus in this sense. Peter Shaffer wanted to have an underlying kernel of truth to most parts of Amadeus, but like we already said, Amadeus was never really meant to tell the true account of Mozart, or even indeed Salieri, but I think Immortal Beloved was meant to tell the true story of Beethoven, and it took major liberties on the identity of the 'immortal beloved'. According to wikipedia the director actually believed the identity to be Johanna van Beethoven, and although we'll never know for sure, I think there is enough evidence to suggest that she was the most unlikely candidate, and it was more of a case of the director just throwing it in there to give the ending more weight. I just don't see the point in telling a story about Beethoven and then not given the truest account of it.

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#65 depend3ncy
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So was hurt locker, according to critics. If you have no interest in the theme

it doesnt matter how well the movie is done.

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[QUOTE="Jazz_Fan"] Your memory must be hazy for not seeing it for 40 years. :P I loved it, I did not see it trying to be accurate in terms of his life but as how we are as people in general, I do not know much about Amadeus but I assume their was plenty of mystery around his life other than his Requiem. Oh and the ending is stunningLord_Daemon

It was only 20 years ago. :(

Yep, it came out winter 1983. I remember it fondly. I took my high school girlfriend to see that film on our very first date. She was concertmistress in my high school orchestra, and I definitely got points for asking her to see Amadeus.

Amadeus was a good film with an interesting story about the human condition, envy, mediocrity, and schadenfreude. The DP did a great job lighting the film, especially the Mozart death scene with Salieri in candlelight. Sound design/mixing and musical score were top-notch, of course. As a period piece, I think it is one of the better ones to come out of Hollywood. It is not historically accurate, but it's not meant to be.

At the time, Amadeus got a lot of people interested in classical music who otherwise would not have even listened to classical.

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#67 Jazz_Fan
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Yep, it came out winter 1983. I remember it fondly. I took my high school girlfriend to see that film on our very first date.sogni_belli
Damn, you guys always make me feel so young. :( :P
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#68 jimmyjammer69
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I liked it. It's a stage adaptation, so I can understand the occasionally pantomimish feel putting some people off, but the back story to the film's production in then communist Czechosovakia is almost as interesting as the movie itself, and provides a nice alternative perspective to a few key scenes. It's actually the film I was watching when the last pope died, so the tail end of the film, particularly the final scene, has kind of haunted me since.
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#69 Coka_Cola241
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Wha twould have made it a masterpiece was a scene with Mozart having a sword fight with Bach and Beethoven.