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26 years is a joke. She should be put away for a hell of a lot longer.xTheExploited
26 years is a third of the average life span. That's far from "a joke". :|
[QUOTE="xTheExploited"]26 years is a joke. She should be put away for a hell of a lot longer.chessmaster1989
26 years is a third of the average life span. That's far from "a joke". :|
Your point? She murdered someone...She deserves life.
26 years is a joke. She should be put away for a hell of a lot longer.xTheExploited
Well, the life sentence in Italy is 30 years. So 4 years isn't that much longer.
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This case had so many flaws. The reason people say she is innocent isn't so much that she's American, it's because the prosecutionhad virtually no evidence. No DNA other than a knife that was aurgued wasn't the weapon because the injuries didn't match it, no fingerprints, nothing. Just the fact she changed her story when she was 19 years old and being beaten by a cop and the fact that the other man,Rudy Guede, said all three of them did it doesn't mean SHE did it.
Prosecution also said that at first it was just a drunk party gone wrong, then a story that she just didn't like her roommate, then that was just out of jealousy. No one, on either side, could get their story straight.
It's sad it happened it Italy, because if your accused of something..your most likely going to be found guilty, so you really have to fight to prove you're innocent. There legal system can be really messed up.
[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]
[QUOTE="xTheExploited"]26 years is a joke. She should be put away for a hell of a lot longer.-Pro-Link-
26 years is a third of the average life span. That's far from "a joke". :|
Your point? She murdered someone...She deserves life.
Like I said, life in Italy is 30 years. That's it. It's not like the U.S. Also, there is no death penalty.
I'm not convinced that she's guilty, and let us remember that the prosecutor in any free society always bears the burden of proof.
oh and"We live at a time where violence is purposeless," Is this a joke? c'mon really, is this a joke?
[QUOTE="xTheExploited"]26 years is a joke. She should be put away for a hell of a lot longer.JohnBean42
Well, the life sentence in Italy is 30 years. So 4 years isn't that much longer.
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This case had so many flaws. The reason people say she is innocent isn't so much that she's American, it's because the prosecutionhad virtually no evidence. No DNA other than a knife that was aurgued wasn't the weapon because the injuries didn't match it, no fingerprints, nothing. Just the fact she changed her story when she was 19 years old and being beaten by a cop and the fact that the other man,Rudy Guede, said all three of them did it doesn't mean SHE did it.
Prosecution also said that at first it was just a drunk party gone wrong, then a story that she just didn't like her roommate, then that was just out of jealousy. No one, on either side, could get their story straight.
It's sad it happened it Italy, because if your accused of something..your most likely going to be found guilty, so you really have to fight to prove you're innocent. There legal system can be really messed up.
I'm sure if this was in America it'd be the same way...[QUOTE="xTheExploited"]26 years is a joke. She should be put away for a hell of a lot longer.JohnBean42
Well, the life sentence in Italy is 30 years. So 4 years isn't that much longer.
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This case had so many flaws. The reason people say she is innocent isn't so much that she's American, it's because the prosecutionhad virtually no evidence. No DNA other than a knife that was aurgued wasn't the weapon because the injuries didn't match it, no fingerprints, nothing. Just the fact she changed her story when she was 19 years old and being beaten by a cop and the fact that the other man,Rudy Guede, said all three of them did it doesn't mean SHE did it.
Prosecution also said that at first it was just a drunk party gone wrong, then a story that she just didn't like her roommate, then that was just out of jealousy. No one, on either side, could get their story straight.
It's sad it happened it Italy, because if your accused of something..your most likely going to be found guilty, so you really have to fight to prove you're innocent. There legal system can be really messed up.
I'll admit some of the evidence is shaky. I happened to watch a Dateline special on the case a few months ago detailing some of the holes. That being said there is a LOT of suspicious behavior. Secondly- the only time I could ever see myself admitting to something I didn't do is under extreme torture. She was questioned by police under a marginally uncomfortable situation (which is legal) and essentially confessed to MURDER. If she really didn't do it she is a fool but it seems like she was engaged in some illegal activity anyway....[QUOTE="JohnBean42"][QUOTE="xTheExploited"]26 years is a joke. She should be put away for a hell of a lot longer.Toriko42
Well, the life sentence in Italy is 30 years. So 4 years isn't that much longer.
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This case had so many flaws. The reason people say she is innocent isn't so much that she's American, it's because the prosecutionhad virtually no evidence. No DNA other than a knife that was aurgued wasn't the weapon because the injuries didn't match it, no fingerprints, nothing. Just the fact she changed her story when she was 19 years old and being beaten by a cop and the fact that the other man,Rudy Guede, said all three of them did it doesn't mean SHE did it.
Prosecution also said that at first it was just a drunk party gone wrong, then a story that she just didn't like her roommate, then that was just out of jealousy. No one, on either side, could get their story straight.
It's sad it happened it Italy, because if your accused of something..your most likely going to be found guilty, so you really have to fight to prove you're innocent. There legal system can be really messed up.
I'm sure if this was in America it'd be the same way...I don't know. I'm not American, so I don't know exactly how it would work (I'm Canadian) but I'm pretty sure they wouldn't tamper with the crime scene and beat her for hours just to get what they want to hear out of her. Maybe they would.
I think they did it because they believed she was guilty from the get-go, they just needed to here her say it, and she was hated in Perugia because she didn't do their drugs and was dating someone not from there and cops knew about all that, since it's a small town.
[QUOTE="JohnBean42"][QUOTE="xTheExploited"]26 years is a joke. She should be put away for a hell of a lot longer.Jocubus
Well, the life sentence in Italy is 30 years. So 4 years isn't that much longer.
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This case had so many flaws. The reason people say she is innocent isn't so much that she's American, it's because the prosecutionhad virtually no evidence. No DNA other than a knife that was aurgued wasn't the weapon because the injuries didn't match it, no fingerprints, nothing. Just the fact she changed her story when she was 19 years old and being beaten by a cop and the fact that the other man,Rudy Guede, said all three of them did it doesn't mean SHE did it.
Prosecution also said that at first it was just a drunk party gone wrong, then a story that she just didn't like her roommate, then that was just out of jealousy. No one, on either side, could get their story straight.
It's sad it happened it Italy, because if your accused of something..your most likely going to be found guilty, so you really have to fight to prove you're innocent. There legal system can be really messed up.
I'll admit some of the evidence is shaky. I happened to watch a Dateline special on the case a few months ago detailing some of the holes. That being said there is a LOT of suspicious behavior. Secondly- the only time I could ever see myself admitting to something I didn't do is under extreme torture. She was questioned by police under a marginally uncomfortable situation (which is legal) and essentially confessed to MURDER. If she really didn't do it she is a fool but it seems like she was engaged in some illegal activity anyway....I saw that special too. Plus I've been listening to CNN and other news outlets on this all night. She did have suspicious behavior (cartwheels in the Police Department was stupid). But I've also heard she was being beat off camera by officers, since she was so week and couldn't defend herself.
Wouldn't you break down if you were being hit and interogated for 30 hours straight? I would give them what they wanna hear to get out of there. And ya, she was doing other illegal activity. I still question this though, there were holes and most of the trials, they just detailed her personal life, sexual life and relationships. The only key thing they had was a 22 minute tape how they think it happened.
We might never learn what happen. Right now were lead to believe that the three of them did it, and she was a mastermind.
[QUOTE="JohnBean42"][QUOTE="xTheExploited"]26 years is a joke. She should be put away for a hell of a lot longer.Jocubus
Well, the life sentence in Italy is 30 years. So 4 years isn't that much longer.
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This case had so many flaws. The reason people say she is innocent isn't so much that she's American, it's because the prosecutionhad virtually no evidence. No DNA other than a knife that was aurgued wasn't the weapon because the injuries didn't match it, no fingerprints, nothing. Just the fact she changed her story when she was 19 years old and being beaten by a cop and the fact that the other man,Rudy Guede, said all three of them did it doesn't mean SHE did it.
Prosecution also said that at first it was just a drunk party gone wrong, then a story that she just didn't like her roommate, then that was just out of jealousy. No one, on either side, could get their story straight.
It's sad it happened it Italy, because if your accused of something..your most likely going to be found guilty, so you really have to fight to prove you're innocent. There legal system can be really messed up.
I'll admit some of the evidence is shaky. I happened to watch a Dateline special on the case a few months ago detailing some of the holes. That being said there is a LOT of suspicious behavior. Secondly- the only time I could ever see myself admitting to something I didn't do is under extreme torture. She was questioned by police under a marginally uncomfortable situation (which is legal) and essentially confessed to MURDER. If she really didn't do it she is a fool but it seems like she was engaged in some illegal activity anyway.... can you be more specific when you say "marginally uncomfortable position"?and again, suspicion=/=guilt. You need hard, empirical evidence of guilt to justify such a deprivation of liberty.
I'll admit some of the evidence is shaky. I happened to watch a Dateline special on the case a few months ago detailing some of the holes. That being said there is a LOT of suspicious behavior. Secondly- the only time I could ever see myself admitting to something I didn't do is under extreme torture. She was questioned by police under a marginally uncomfortable situation (which is legal) and essentially confessed to MURDER. If she really didn't do it she is a fool but it seems like she was engaged in some illegal activity anyway.... can you be more specific when you say "marginally uncomfortable position"?[QUOTE="Jocubus"][QUOTE="JohnBean42"]
Well, the life sentence in Italy is 30 years. So 4 years isn't that much longer.
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This case had so many flaws. The reason people say she is innocent isn't so much that she's American, it's because the prosecutionhad virtually no evidence. No DNA other than a knife that was aurgued wasn't the weapon because the injuries didn't match it, no fingerprints, nothing. Just the fact she changed her story when she was 19 years old and being beaten by a cop and the fact that the other man,Rudy Guede, said all three of them did it doesn't mean SHE did it.
Prosecution also said that at first it was just a drunk party gone wrong, then a story that she just didn't like her roommate, then that was just out of jealousy. No one, on either side, could get their story straight.
It's sad it happened it Italy, because if your accused of something..your most likely going to be found guilty, so you really have to fight to prove you're innocent. There legal system can be really messed up.
danwallacefan
and again, suspicion=/=guilt. You need hard, empirical evidence of guilt to justify such a deprivation of liberty.
Well Amanda Knox claims that police physically beat her- but of course that is a convenient thing for people who confess to murder to say to get a confession thrown out. As far as I know, the police only questioned her without the presence of an attorney and made her stay awake for an extended period during interrogation.[QUOTE="xTheExploited"]26 years is a joke. She should be put away for a hell of a lot longer.chessmaster1989
26 years is a third of the average life span. That's far from "a joke". :|
Yah, and she took someones whole life away.Well the problem is that she also constantly changed her story- as did her boyfriend, she tried to throw an innocent man under the bus (Patrick Lumumba), and (as you mentioned) she was doing cartwheels in the police station and found to be smiling and kissing her boyfriend right outside the crime scene shortly after it happened. That doesn't really convince me of her innocence. There may be a lack of physical evidence but there is certainly some doubt over her innocence. I agree with what has been previously said- the American media is portraying the Italian justice system as completely inept and Ms.Knox as being falsely accused just because an American student is involved.JocubusEXTREMELY questionable behavior and a smug face you'd love to hate.... screw the system, that's more than enough for me to send someone like her rotting behind bars.
Fortunately, I don't have that power to do so.
Well Amanda Knox claims that police physically beat her- but of course that is a convenient thing for people who confess to murder to say to get a confession thrown out.Jocubus
I guess ALL complaints of police brutality are therefore false since they are convenient for defendants after they've confessed :roll:
As far as I know, the police only questioned her without the presence of an attorneyJocubus
Which would never fly in America.
and made her stay awake for an extended period during interrogation.JocubusWhich, as you should know, is well-documented as a very useful tactic in exacting a false confession and extracting information from a detainee.
[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"][QUOTE="xTheExploited"]26 years is a joke. She should be put away for a hell of a lot longer.General_Yoto
26 years is a third of the average life span. That's far from "a joke". :|
Yah, and she took someones whole life away. Why should the justice system exist to do more than rehabilitate criminals?[QUOTE="Jocubus"]
I guess ALL complaints of police brutality are therefore false since they are convenient for defendants after they've confessed :roll:
[QUOTE="Jocubus"]As far as I know, the police only questioned her without the presence of an attorneydanwallacefan
Which would never fly in America.
and made her stay awake for an extended period during interrogation.JocubusWhich, as you should know, is well-documented as a very useful tactic in exacting a false confession and extracting information from a detainee. I don't know about you, but I would never confess to a crime I didn't commit (ESPECIALLY MURDER) because I was tired... And please point out where I said "ALL complaints of police brutality are therefore false since they are convenient for defendants after they've confessed." That was a nice exaggeration. All I said was an incentive existed to make such an accusation. Not to mention she was also accusing innocent people.
Maybe she shouldn't have killed her roommate. I don't understand why so many Americans presume she's innocent just because she's a young American woman. Italy isn't some third-world country; chances are that she's guilty.JML897
This. I wish she'd come out and admit she did it now that she has been sentenced. Reports say she was laughing, and doing cartwheels in the police station the night she was arrested, she must have been on drugs or something is what I think. She tried to force this British chick to have a three-way with her and her Italian boyfriend, and when she refused, they killed her in their drug-fueled erotic stupor.
[QUOTE="General_Yoto"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]Yah, and she took someones whole life away. Why should the justice system exist to do more than rehabilitate criminals? Um justice?26 years is a third of the average life span. That's far from "a joke". :|
danwallacefan
I don't know about you, but I would never confess to a crime I didn't commit (ESPECIALLY MURDER) because I was tired...Jocubus
Sleep deprivation makes you do some crazy stuff.
And please point out where I said "ALL complaints of police brutality are therefore false since they are convenient for defendants after they've confessed."Jocubus
That's the inevitable conclusion of your argument.
That was a nice exaggeration. All I said was an incentive existed to make such an accusation. Not to mention she was also accusing innocent people.JocubusSure there's an incentive, but if that's a reason to deny her testimony then we should deny all accusations of police brutality.
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Why should the justice system exist to do more than rehabilitate criminals? Um justice? who defines "justice", and why should the state enforce their ideal of "justice"?[QUOTE="danwallacefan"][QUOTE="General_Yoto"] Yah, and she took someones whole life away. General_Yoto
[QUOTE="JML897"]Maybe she shouldn't have killed her roommate. I don't understand why so many Americans presume she's innocent just because she's a young American woman. Italy isn't some third-world country; chances are that she's guilty.EMOEVOLUTIONexcept.. that it's been proven that a fair number of trials that use a jury come back with the wrong verdict.
Sure, but this wouldn't even be news if an American jury found her guilty.
[QUOTE="Jocubus"]
Sleep deprivation makes you do some crazy stuff.
[QUOTE="Jocubus"]And please point out where I said "ALL complaints of police brutality are therefore false since they are convenient for defendants after they've confessed."danwallacefan
That's the inevitable conclusion of your argument.
That was a nice exaggeration. All I said was an incentive existed to make such an accusation. Not to mention she was also accusing innocent people.JocubusSure there's an incentive, but if that's a reason to deny her testimony then we should deny all accusations of police brutality. You sir, have terrible logic. She claims she was physically beaten yet there was no evidence (i.e. bruises, wounds, scratches, etc.). On those grounds I think it is possible to dismiss her claims. Secondly, I don't know anyone who would be willing to confess to a murder they didn't commit because they had to stay up for 30 hours y. I've willingly stayed up longer than that working on demanding school work.
We will never know who exactly killed Ms. Kercher or what exactly happened. Personally, I don't buy the "sex game" gone wrong theory at all. But there is no doubt that Ms. Knox was involved in the murder to some capacity. Perhaps the killing was unintentional, but it happened anyway. Ms. Knox has no alibi to prove that she was not there at the scene of the crime when it happened.
Plus, they were high on pot when this happened. When people are high on pot, crazy stuff happens.
Regardless, I am satisified with the verdict and I am appalled that so many Americans blame Italy's dysfunctional justice system for putting an "innocent" woman behind bars.
Rest in peace, Meredith Kercher.
Um justice? who defines "justice", and why should the state enforce their ideal of "justice"? Good point, murder should be legal. :roll:&[QUOTE="General_Yoto"]
[QUOTE="danwallacefan"] Why should the justice system exist to do more than rehabilitate criminals?danwallacefan
shes pretty hot, what a waste....
but ya, i dont think she did it. no evidence=no case.....a lesson is learned, dont go to italy
While the evidence wasn't really concrete, there was nothing to make me believe that she was innocent.mo0ksithe poor girl doesnt need to prove her innocents when theres nothing to prove her guilty
She's a murderer plain and simple, she committed what is a crime in literally every country on the planet and for that she deserves punishment.
I don't believe extraditions should have to take place. I'm Canadian and I'd be more than happy if the Americans kept Kadr and tortured his ass a bit. I don't want terrorists coming back to be housed in my country (regardless of race or religion) because I know the courts here will put him back on the streets in months.
Good for the Italians, I hope they keep her there indefinetely.
No... The lesson learned is don't be a murderous moron in Italyno...because if she would have murdered someone in america then its beasicly a done deal, either death penalty or spend your whole life in prison. in italy the life sentence is 30 years. so italy seems to be the place to kill ppl.[QUOTE="Revolution316"]
shes pretty hot, what a waste....
but ya, i dont think she did it. no evidence=no case.....a lesson is learned, dont go to italyToriko42
No... The lesson learned is don't be a murderous moron in Italyno...because if she would have murdered someone in america then its beasicly a done deal, either death penalty or spend your whole life in prison. in italy the life sentence is 30 years. so italy seems to be the place to kill ppl. It might as well be a life sentance She'll get out of jail at 50 years old or so and then be thrust into a world totally different, a world that won't want her. She'll be dirt poor, homeless perhaps, and she won't get 3 meals a day and a guaranteed bed ;) I think getting 30-40 years is a lot worse than life if you're a criminal.[QUOTE="Toriko42"]
[QUOTE="Revolution316"]
shes pretty hot, what a waste....
but ya, i dont think she did it. no evidence=no case.....a lesson is learned, dont go to italyRevolution316
how the hell do you know if she is guilty? what happened to the old saying..."INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY"? looks like italy works backwards.She's a murderer plain and simple, she committed what is a crime in literally every country on the planet and for that she deserves punishment.
I don't believe extraditions should have to take place. I'm Canadian and I'd be more than happy if the Americans kept Kadr and tortured his ass a bit. I don't want terrorists coming back to be housed in my country (regardless of race or religion) because I know the courts here will put him back on the streets in months.
Good for the Italians, I hope they keep her there indefinetely.
Bobzfamily
no...because if she would have murdered someone in america then its beasicly a done deal, either death penalty or spend your whole life in prison. in italy the life sentence is 30 years. so italy seems to be the place to kill ppl. It might as well be a life sentance She'll get out of jail at 50 years old or so and then be thrust into a world totally different, a world that won't want her. She'll be dirt poor, homeless perhaps, and she won't get 3 meals a day and a guaranteed bed ;) I think getting 30-40 years is a lot worse than life if you're a criminal.[QUOTE="Revolution316"]
[QUOTE="Toriko42"] No... The lesson learned is don't be a murderous moron in Italy
Toriko42
You know, that may as well be the saddest part of this case. So many ruined lives...
Sigh.
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