America being based on Religious Principles good or bad?

[QUOTE="cee1gee"]

im not sure why anyone would want to change it? sure when people think Religion they think God and such, but this is different, this is laws we live by, which works

Hewkii

Teehee

[QUOTE="cee1gee"]

im not sure why anyone would want to change it? sure when people think Religion they think God and such, but this is different, this is laws we live by, which works

Hewkii

[QUOTE="Hewkii"][QUOTE="cee1gee"]

im not sure why anyone would want to change it? sure when people think Religion they think God and such, but this is different, this is laws we live by, which works

Rougehunter

[QUOTE="cee1gee"]The First Amendment was clearly understood and explained by the man who wrote it and the man who first applied it as law. Fisher Ames wrote the First Amendment. He also wrote that the Bible should always remain the principle text book in America's classrooms. John Jay, original Chief-Justice U.S. Supreme Court, said it is the duty of all wise, free, and virtuous governments to help and encourage virtue and religion That is 1 of the foundersGabuEx

OK, that's two. Here are some other founders you might know:

All of those men that you named were slave owners, and yet they want to talk about God being unjust??? lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I dont remember slave trading being in the Bible... Christianity can be used into bad exploitation just like any other thing. Last time I checked, most of the worlds problems (right now) and in the past had nothing to due with the scripture...

Hitler (his ideaologies do not reflect christian ideals at all)

Extermination of Christians back in AD 40-100

Genocide in Rwanda, Sudan, Dafur

Racism

Bigotry

The Aparthied

Slave trading (modern day slavery)

The Conquests of Genghas Khan, Herod, Augustus Caesar, our "founding fathers', Cleopatra, and various Egyptian Pharohs

Last time I checked, those werent based on Christian Principles... Would you like for me to continue???

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="cee1gee"]The First Amendment was clearly understood and explained by the man who wrote it and the man who first applied it as law. Fisher Ames wrote the First Amendment. He also wrote that the Bible should always remain the principle text book in America's classrooms. John Jay, original Chief-Justice U.S. Supreme Court, said it is the duty of all wise, free, and virtuous governments to help and encourage virtue and religion That is 1 of the foundersgamerlifegrace

OK, that's two. Here are some other founders you might know:

Hitler (his ideaologies do not reflect christian ideals at all)

Extermination of Christians back in AD 40-100

Genocide in Rwanda, Sudan, Dafur

Racism

Bigotry

The Apartied

Slave trading (modern day slavery)

The Conquests of Genghas Khan, Herod, Augustus Caesar, our "founding fathers', Cleopatra, and various Egyptian Pharohs

Last time I checked, those werent based on Christian Principles... Would you like for me to continue???

Irrelevant post is irrelevant.

Gabu merely mentioned all those founding fathers to show that the "minds" behind the make-up of USA were not Christian. And thus indicating that Christian teachings passed into laws because they were found (at the time for some of them) to be good and beneficial; not just because they stemmed from Christianity.

Last time I checked, those werent based on Christian Principles... Would you like for me to continue???

gamerlifegrace

[QUOTE="gamerlifegrace"]

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

OK, that's two. Here are some other founders you might know:

Teenaged

Irrelevant post is irrelevant.

Gabu merely mentioned all those founding fathers to show that the "minds" behind the make-up of USA were not Christian. And thus indicating that Christian teachings passed into laws because they were found (at the time for some of them) to be good and beneficial; not just because they stemmed from Christianity.

If you want to make a "smart" quote, then please let it make sense next time.

And I felt that what I said needed to be said.

Sure, seperation of Church and State. Since Religions are based on standards which try to promote harmony within the congregation and society as a whole, I think it is good.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="gamerlifegrace"] All of those men that you named were slave owners, and yet they want to talk about God being unjust??? lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I dont remember slave trading being in the Bible... Christianity can be used into false exploitation as any other thing. Last time I checked, most of the worlds problems (right now) and in the past had nothing to due with the scripture...

gamerlifegrace

Irrelevant post is irrelevant.

Gabu merely mentioned all those founding fathers to show that the "minds" behind the make-up of USA were not Christian. And thus indicating that Christian teachings passed into laws because they were found (at the time for some of them) to be good and beneficial; not just because they stemmed from Christianity.

If you want to make a "smart" quote, then please let it make sense next time.

And I felt that what I said needed to be said.

And of course you should express your opinion but I felt like pointing out the fact that your post was irrelevant to the one you were responding to.

Sure, seperation of Church and State. Since Religions are based on standards which try to promote harmony within the congregation and society as a whole, I think it is good.

rjxtian

I am leaning towards good, why?

because it has worked for a couple hundred years, and the only downfall i can see is America straying away from it.

im not sure why anyone would want to change it? sure when people think Religion they think God and such, but this is different, this is laws we live by, which works

Plus its not like we have holy wars and demand people to pick a religion...

cee1gee

[QUOTE="_en1gma_"]Since when was the USA founded directly on religious principles? :?cee1gee

[QUOTE="cee1gee"]

I am leaning towards good, why?

because it has worked for a couple hundred years, and the only downfall i can see is America straying away from it.

im not sure why anyone would want to change it? sure when people think Religion they think God and such, but this is different, this is laws we live by, which works

Plus its not like we have holy wars and demand people to pick a religion...

hamstergeddon

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="gamerlifegrace"]Actually, youre wrong. Christianity through time has found its princilples and morals not only in the government, but also in our everyday lives.gamerlifegrace

You're going to have to take that up with Founding Father John Adams. :P

I could care less what he said. Many things were said in the constitution such as "all men are created equal", but they still had slavery back then.

OP, you do realize that most of the founding fathers, including George Washington himself, were Deists, not Christians, and absolutely despised organized religion?

The US was founded on separation of church and state. The idea of mixing religion and politics, or of the US being a Christian country are fantasies cooked up by the religious right.

[QUOTE="cee1gee"]

I am leaning towards good, why?

because it has worked for a couple hundred years, and the only downfall i can see is America straying away from it.

im not sure why anyone would want to change it? sure when people think Religion they think God and such, but this is different, this is laws we live by, which works

Plus its not like we have holy wars and demand people to pick a religion...

hamstergeddon

[QUOTE="hamstergeddon"][QUOTE="cee1gee"]

I am leaning towards good, why?

because it has worked for a couple hundred years, and the only downfall i can see is America straying away from it.

im not sure why anyone would want to change it? sure when people think Religion they think God and such, but this is different, this is laws we live by, which works

Plus its not like we have holy wars and demand people to pick a religion...

cee1gee

Seems to have worked out fine, so....good.

You see, religious principles could mean anything from Christianity to Buhhdism. Anyway, this country was built on Christian principles and that is why it worked... you know, before politicians started trying to make us Socialist/ Facist.

America was founded on Christian principles, insofar as American principals and morals were Christian at the time. Our society had barely begun to excise Puritanical values at the time so it is only natural that some seeped into our laws and Constitution. The founding fathers certainly didn't deliberately and purposefully make America a Christian theocracy, but there were Christian influences in some of the laws that they made in the same way that there were British influences, enlightenment influences, and Lockean influences. If we are to say that America was founded as a Christian nation, we should also say that America was founded as a British nation. After all, many founding fathers were British and the Magna Carta and British Constitution influenced the American government.

Wait, you don't actually like the pigrims do you? The same people who killed or imprisoned anyone who didn't agree with their religion, which by the way is the exact reason they came to America. Hypocracy at its best. No, people have to stop associating God with politics, everywhere. Its called secularism.RushMetallica

In fairness, the Puritians did this moreso than the pilgrims. Also, they didn't so much imprision as banish (your point is still valid, just nitpicking).

You see, religious principles could mean anything from Christianity to Buhhdism. Anyway, this country was built on Christian principles and that is why it worked... you know, before politicians started trying to make us Socialist/ Facist.

turtlethetaffer

Christian principals would be much more readily described as socialist than capitalist (fyi, socialism and fascism are COMPLETLELY unrelated).

[QUOTE="gamerlifegrace"]

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

You're going to have to take that up with Founding Father John Adams. :P

SAGE_OF_FIRE

I could care less what he said. Many things were said in the constitution such as "all men are created equal", but they still had slavery back then.

You see, religious principles could mean anything from Christianity to Buhhdism. Anyway, this country was built on Christian principles and that is why it worked... you know, before politicians started trying to make us Socialist/ Facist.

turtlethetaffer

As i posted in the other thread.

"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."

-Adams, Treaty of Tripoli

Constitution, Article VI, Sect.2: "This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof, and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every State shall be bound thereby, anything in the constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding."

I don't think that concepts like "murder is bad" and "don't steal" are exclusive to religion.

GabuEx

[QUOTE="hamstergeddon"][QUOTE="cee1gee"]

I am leaning towards good, why?

because it has worked for a couple hundred years, and the only downfall i can see is America straying away from it.

im not sure why anyone would want to change it? sure when people think Religion they think God and such, but this is different, this is laws we live by, which works

Plus its not like we have holy wars and demand people to pick a religion...

cee1gee

Therefore no, you cant call that unjust.

It is good and bad. There are many great values associated with Christianity and that is beneficial. However there are many close minded ideologies that have been transcending into our Gov't and society and that is entirely detrimental.

Opposing gay marriage because they don't think it is "right", well then don't marry a person of the same sex. It's not like outlawing gay marriage will diminish homosexuality. All it does is create more problems and solves none.

There are also those who wish to outlaw abortion for everyone because they don't believe in it...As if outlawing abortions will end their existence. Women who want one will get it, whether sanitarily and safely from a doctor, or risky and dirty back alley procedure.

Opposing stem cell research because they still think the only method of procuring stem cells is from a fetus, therefore they believe abortions will be encouraged to meet demand.

These are just a few examples of how religious values can be detrimental to society, by causing more problems and solving none.

[QUOTE="Rougehunter"]

[QUOTE="Hewkii"] Leviticus 18:22Bourbons3

I'd say religion has done much more good than evil. It's united people in America for a long long time, and the general morals tend to work to the benefit of the people.Setsa

[QUOTE="Setsa"]I'd say religion has done much more good than evil. It's united people in America for a long long time, and the general morals tend to work to the benefit of the people.Hewkii

America being based on principles period: good or bad?

Not as bad as if their was widespread unrest and conflict amongst religious groups in America. I mean, image North America if there was an equal amount of Christians, Muslims, Jews, and pagans.Setsa

[QUOTE="Setsa"]Not as bad as if their was widespread unrest and conflict amongst religious groups in America. I mean, image North America if there was an equal amount of Christians, Muslims, Jews, and pagans.Hewkii

Wow, I really regret reading that.