American tourist shot prized big cat.

@samusbeliskner: Tell that to Planned Parenthood.

Your reply makes no sense.

I guarantee you most people flipping their shit about this damn lion couldn't give two shits about starving children in Africa. You are guaranteed to be an outlier.

Why are people outraged at all? Lions get poached all the time, and people do and do not face the consequences for their actions. Hell, Americans go over to Africa all the time with all the legal permits and slaughter all these animals just like the dentist did (except legally)... and a bunch of people back home hear about it, lose their shit, and start threatening the person and the person's family with death threats for killing "such a beautiful creature". Then go on to slobber over the newest bacon-topped burger from McDonalds.

It's called misplaced priorities. It would be nice if people had the same amount of care and fervor when it came to aiding the hungry, sick and dying in the same country as their precious lion.

I was not talking about just 20% and greater, don't deflect. I was talking about countries with rates far higher than the rest of the world. Which, most countries in Africa are. Out of all countries on the list in the article, The Bahamas is the first non-African country with prevalence rates on par with Africa. And it's in 25th place. Prevalence rates greater than 1% of a countries population is a problem.

There is nothing misleading about what is happening in Africa. It is a continent in severe peril and the people there would be disgusted to see you trying to make it seem less severe than it is.

I've already been over this with you once already, but I think it deserves repeating. My original post that you seemed to want to argue about, claimed that I didn't care about the rest of the developing world... and yet I mentioned, quite specifically, that people don't care about what happens to the human beings in in their own communities, which not only covers the rest of the developing world, but the people who suffer disease and starvation in first world countries.

Which is why I qualified my disposition by saying that if the kill involved skill and sporting, then I'd understand the satisfaction the hunter gets even if he let the kill go to waste. There's nothing satisfying about driving around in a vehicle until you spot your prey and blew its guts out with a shotgun.

Bare in mind that we're talking in terms of healthy and constructive satisfaction here. I'm sure some people will get some satisfaction from poking a caged animal with a spear, but that's not grounds for sanctioning the practice or approving of it. Likewise, I'm sure some people get satisfaction from doing the most monotonous of activities, which isn't ground for objectively endorsing them as sources of quality content. The difference between the two scenarios is that the latter is base but hurts nothing, while the latter is both base and harmful, which is why it warrants rebuke.

And I'm saying that some of this hate is wrong. Plastering his personal information is wrong. Showing up to his personal property and business is wrong. Making it so his family is afraid to step out of the house and his employees lose their jobs is wrong. Trying to get a white supremacy group involved to hunt the guy down and kill him is wrong. Yes, be outraged if you want, but don't be so outraged. Do something constructive about it.

There might not be anything about that that's satisfying to YOU, but bare in mind that there's different tastes. Similar to how TO ME there's nothing satisfying about collecting videogames or trying to collect achievements. But people still freaking do it, and it would be naive of me to pretend like the reason they do it isn't out of a basic human need to accomplish goals. The bottom is that it's a challenge and they solved it, and that solving challenges is something that is satisfying to pretty much every human being.

And who said anything about sanctioning or approving actions? We were talking about UNDERSTANDING actions and how someone could get satisfaction out of them. Does my understanding of why someone would rob a bank contain an implicit endorsement or sanctioning of bank robberies?

@JustPlainLucas: "Trying to get a white supremacy group involved to hunt the guy down and kill him is wrong"

WHAT thats insane, is that because he worked alongside black pleople lol?

You are right his family does not deserve to be involved, but its his own fault if he indeed did know the hunt was illegal, which i reckon he did or he would have used a riflle in the first place, and not a sneaky arrow.

So are you for doxxing him or not?

Yeah I'm with you and JPL, personally imo I'm seeing more cons than pros with social media.

And as for the lion, I am very sad that it died like that, and the killer should face definite punishment, but the difference is, that what it sounds like JPL is saying, the problem is some people seem to be overreacting and blowing the situation way out of proportion. I mean don't get me wrong, like I just said, I'm sad about this lion, and the situation on how it died is bad, and I wish it could have been prevented. However I don't see the point in getting insanely enraged over it, and force myself to walk out the door to try and find/do something to the killer.

No not at all.

This isn't really important, but I don't necessarily think he used a bow to be sneaky. Bow hunters are different than gun hunters, because the weapons use different skill sets. He may have preferred hunting by bow because it takes more skill than sighting with a rifle (which obviously he doesn't have as he couldn't make a kill shot).

With that said, though, there isn't a doubt in my mind that that he knew what he was doing, or he wouldn't have led the animal out of the park. The fact that he has a history of lying about his kills (killed a black bear in Wisconsin and lied about the location he killed it) only serves to discredit his defense. However, I want to give him the benefit of the doubt that he didn't know the identity of the lion. If he did, he wouldn't have been so brazen with the pics of his trophy.

And well, had it been any other lion, the level of outrage would have been different, nearly non-existent. The stories of Cecil being Zimbabwe's beloved lion (which is funny, because some Zimbabweans never even heard of him) turned him into a posthumous animal celebrity. A man goes into the woods, kills a bear and no one cares. A man goes into the woods and kills Martin the Bear, and then people decry the hunter.

Apparently he shot the lion with a bow then tracked the lion for some time and then shot it with a rifle.

Ive seen a few of these kinds of stories popping up on Facebook, except those were legal hunts, and people were still outraged and called for heads to roll, but yeh those stories never made it to the mainstream news media.

Yeah, and people trying to start wildfires over the legal hunts are the ones that have to really calm down even more, because well, those were legal hunts. Can you imagine how inconsistent the legal system would be if it had to listen to social media each and every time? The laws would change whenever the wind blows!

@foxhound_fox: "I guarantee you most people flipping their shit about this damn lion couldn't give two shits about starving children in Africa. You are guaranteed to be an outlier"

Why so mad at the lion?

Just taking a stab at it, but it's deflecting a lot of attention from things that are actually affecting quality of living in that country.

Well, social media is not overall bad because that would mean that most people that get on social media and post are bad. However, there are some elements of it that need addressing because if mob mentality were one unified voice, it would be growing in asperity.

Apparently some Zimbabweans are baffled by foreign outrage over the death of Cecil.

Link

More outrage created by people who had no idea who cecil was but saw a fb post getting alot of attention and had to jump on the bandwagon.

@xdude85 said:

False

This right here I do agree that social media can have a powerful voicing but in another way, it can lead to career downfall if that person is a no good for nothing scumbag, look at what happen to Hulk Hogan, the media was on his ass for that racial slur. Americans are getting obsess with media if you'll ask me.

Also I don't like when people hunt animals just for fun & games, but we Humans should be hunting animals when were hungry and we are part of nature for that, not killing for fun.

@davillain-: I never have understood trophy hunting. I hunt for one thing and that's deer. Only one reason I hunt deer. Deer jerky

I'll take his word for now, because really the only thing that technically makes it illegal is that the professional Hunter was unlicensed, however the farmer and Palmer had permission to hunt and kill WITH A BOW (for the people saying it was illegal to use a bow) he had several guides with him from his statement, and there is no direct evidence linking him or the farmer to the baiting of cecil.the client is usually just doing whatever the Hunter tells them to do. That's the whole point of having them.

And about social media, it Is dangerous because most people who outrage are just ignorant but they love bandwagons. They don't care about the facts, they just what someone to suffer. So false facts get thrown around easily. Example being someone here stated that cecils brother was also killed (a rumor that more than likely originated from social media) but that only needed a 10 second Google to be proven wrong.

Social media is a strong tool that can't be used to make things right but it's used inappropriately. Ppl will use it to outrage over a dead lion, but not over the many many deaths in Chicago a week.

I'm just watching to see which gets more posts here:

One dead lion

or

250 dead whales

As for social media....... If I see too many trolls..... *CLICK* I simply turn off the computer and go on with life...... Anyone who has a beef against me will have to confront me in the real world.

The logic in your post is contradictory. Why would he be worried alerting the rangers if the animal has already been lured into a designated hunt area? I'm sure they are no stranger to gunshots if it's a space that allow hunting.

Getting? They've been obsessed about the media (especially celebrities) for a good stretch now.

@chaoscougar1 said:

@xdude85 said:

False

Indeed. There have been protests outside his dental clinic. He'll probably have his house vandalized or broken into as well. Not my problem. He could have used his money for a much better cause than traveling half a world away just to shoot a prized lion, pissing off a lot of people in the States and then pissing off Zimbabweans, not only for killing the lion but for making it clear that a lot of people care more about this one lion than the well being of their fellow man.