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#1 Chickan_117
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On the weekend I grabbed some movies for my kids. One was Bob the Builder and the other was Thomas the Tank Engine. I didn't realise at the time but both were the American versions of the show.

This got me thinking about the other British/Australian TV that has been "Americanised". For example"The Office" and "Kath & Kim" were fantastic shows that didn't need remakes IMO.

For a country that supports culteral versatility it seems bizarre that so many series are converted this way.

Any thoughts/comments?

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#2 Snipes_2
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Bob the Builder nad THomas the Tank Engine weren't American made T.v. Shows? Shows are probably remade to fit the culture, like in Australia and England when they remake American shows.

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I don't see it as a big deal. I'd think that the creators of shows like The Office and Kath & Kim would be honored to have someone want to re-create their work. So what if it gets "Americanized"

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The Office is a bad example to bring up simply because Ricky Gervais is the driving force behind bringing it to other countries. He wants it to be culture driven for the country its being made for in general. He is now working on a version for China.

http://www.cbc.ca/arts/tv/story/2010/08/14/office-china.html

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I don't know why they needed remaking. The original Office is perfect as it stands... and it certainly didn't need dragging out over more than two seasons.
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There are versions of American shows that are re-made in other countries. Not all countries are the same, and the humor might be slightly different or they just need to cater to a specific target audience. And while you think the original show may be better, it may not necessarily get the most viewers in a different country. But they still like the idea and concept, so they remake it.

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Bob the Builder nad THomas the Tank Engine weren't American made T.v. Shows? Shows are probably remade to fit the culture, like in Australia and England when they remake American shows.

Snipes_2

Nope. I understand about remaking a show like "Kath & Khim" to fit the culture but... Thomas the Tank Engine!? Also what American shows were remade in Aus/UK? Serious question as I don't know. In Aus we have a lot of international TV and it all seems to be the orginal.

I don't see it as a big deal. I'd think that the creators of shows like The Office and Kath & Kim would be honored to have someone want to re-create their work. So what if it gets "Americanized"

Shiggums

It's not a big deal, I'm just amazed they feel the need to bother. It would concern me if people in my country couldn't appreciate international series without having to change them.

The Office is a bad example to bring up simply because Ricky Gervais is the driving force behind bringing it to other countries. He wants it to be culture driven for the country its being made for in general. He is now working on a version for China.

http://www.cbc.ca/arts/tv/story/2010/08/14/office-china.html

testfactor888

Actually that's a perfect example then as it answers part of my query:) A great example of why it is done and, IMO, one that works (shock horror, I prefer the US Office to the British one).

Iguess you're right though, the live TV was a bad example to bring up. My real surpirise came from the kids TV shows. I could understand something like Sesame Street being remade for non US audiencesas it's very culterally focused however Bob the Builder and Thomas' stories aren't even remotely bound to that.

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I had no idea Bob the Builder and Thomas weren't American shows. What were the differences if you watched?
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There are versions of American shows that are re-made in other countries. Not all countries are the same, and the humor might be slightly different or they just need to cater to a specific target audience. And while you think the original show may be better, it may not necessarily get the most viewers in a different country. But they still like the idea and concept, so they remake it.

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That's true. The Two American show off the top of my head that's been done for various countries is Married...With Children and Law and Order. And as far as American remakes go, the only one I can think of that's been sucessful is The Office. Some don't even make it past the first season.
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The Office is a bad example to bring up simply because Ricky Gervais is the driving force behind bringing it to other countries. He wants it to be culture driven for the country its being made for in general. He is now working on a version for China.

http://www.cbc.ca/arts/tv/story/2010/08/14/office-china.html

testfactor888

COOL!?

Sir, you have made my day...

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I had no idea Bob the Builder and Thomas weren't American shows. What were the differences if you watched?Parandrus
Just the voices from what I could see... I must admit, I don't watch a great deal of it :D

UK Version - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA16sqCusbY
US Version - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ooa4BKo4-p0

I actually really like the UK version as it has the actor who played Tony in "Men Behaving Badly" (UK version). Scary to think of him in a kids show, lol

That's true. The Two American show off the top of my head that's been done for various countries is Married...With Children and Law and Order. And as far as American remakes go, the only one I can think of that's been sucessful is The Office. Some don't even make it past the first season.Hallenbeck77
Well that is blasphemy :) Married with Children should never have been remade as it was gerat to begin with...from memory. Gonna have to go look for it now. Regarding Law and Order I wouldn't even notice if one was American or otherwise anymore, there are so damn many of them!

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#13 my_mortal_coil
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It depends on what kind of content it is. If it's artst or has a powerful story driving it, then it should be left alone. We tend to ruin things like that. Stuff like The Office is ok to convert because humor is often culturally dependant, or sometimes the idioms one culture uses has no meaning in another (like to say someone is "Pushing Up Daises"). And stuff, like American or [insert country here] Idol needs to be converted, or no one will watch it.

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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Nope. I understand about remaking a show like "Kath & Khim" to fit the culture but... Thomas the Tank Engine!? Also what American shows were remade in Aus/UK? Serious question as I don't know. In Aus we have a lot of international TV and it all seems to be the orginal.

[QUOTE="Shiggums"]

I don't see it as a big deal. I'd think that the creators of shows like The Office and Kath & Kim would be honored to have someone want to re-create their work. So what if it gets "Americanized"

Chickan_117

It's not a big deal, I'm just amazed they feel the need to bother. It would concern me if people in my country couldn't appreciate international series without having to change them.

The Office is a bad example to bring up simply because Ricky Gervais is the driving force behind bringing it to other countries. He wants it to be culture driven for the country its being made for in general. He is now working on a version for China.

http://www.cbc.ca/arts/tv/story/2010/08/14/office-china.html

testfactor888

Actually that's a perfect example then as it answers part of my query:) A great example of why it is done and, IMO, one that works (shock horror, I prefer the US Office to the British one).

Iguess you're right though, the live TV was a bad example to bring up. My real surpirise came from the kids TV shows. I could understand something like Sesame Street being remade for non US audiencesas it's very culterally focused however Bob the Builder and Thomas' stories aren't even remotely bound to that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_television_programmes_based_on_American_television_series

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[QUOTE="Parandrus"]I had no idea Bob the Builder and Thomas weren't American shows. What were the differences if you watched?Chickan_117

Just the voices from what I could see... I must admit, I don't watch a great deal of it :D

UK Version - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA16sqCusbY
US Version - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ooa4BKo4-p0

I actually really like the UK version as it has the actor who played Tony in "Men Behaving Badly" (UK version). Scary to think of him in a kids show, lol

Lol.. the American version of the show had George Carlin in it. Scary to think of him in a kids show too.

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[QUOTE="Chickan_117"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]It's not a big deal, I'm just amazed they feel the need to bother. It would concern me if people in my country couldn't appreciate international series without having to change them.

[QUOTE="testfactor888"]

The Office is a bad example to bring up simply because Ricky Gervais is the driving force behind bringing it to other countries. He wants it to be culture driven for the country its being made for in general. He is now working on a version for China.

http://www.cbc.ca/arts/tv/story/2010/08/14/office-china.html

BMD004

Actually that's a perfect example then as it answers part of my query:) A great example of why it is done and, IMO, one that works (shock horror, I prefer the US Office to the British one).

Iguess you're right though, the live TV was a bad example to bring up. My real surpirise came from the kids TV shows. I could understand something like Sesame Street being remade for non US audiencesas it's very culterally focused however Bob the Builder and Thomas' stories aren't even remotely bound to that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_television_programmes_based_on_American_television_series

Thank You. I was about to google it because I don't know the names off the top of my head.
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[QUOTE="BMD004"]

There are versions of American shows that are re-made in other countries. Not all countries are the same, and the humor might be slightly different or they just need to cater to a specific target audience. And while you think the original show may be better, it may not necessarily get the most viewers in a different country. But they still like the idea and concept, so they remake it.

Hallenbeck77

That's true. The Two American show off the top of my head that's been done for various countries is Married...With Children and Law and Order. And as far as American remakes go, the only one I can think of that's been sucessful is The Office. Some don't even make it past the first season.

Would American Idol and Survivor be considered remakes?

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Would American Idol and Survivor be considered remakes?

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I barely consider them watchable TV... :) Reality show's shouldn'tbe considered remakes IMO as they don't involve recurring characters except for the judges. Technically I guess they are but I didn't really consider them in my original statement.

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Doesn't seem that big of a deal IMO. Different regions of the world may prefer different things. Doesn't make one better or not compared to the other.

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I had no idea Bob the Builder and Thomas weren't American shows. What were the differences if you watched?Parandrus

Thomas the Tank Engine was voiced by Ringo Starr... Not sure if he voiced the American version though...

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[QUOTE="Parandrus"]I had no idea Bob the Builder and Thomas weren't American shows. What were the differences if you watched?Chickan_117

Just the voices from what I could see... I must admit, I don't watch a great deal of it :D

UK Version - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA16sqCusbY
US Version - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ooa4BKo4-p0

I actually really like the UK version as it has the actor who played Tony in "Men Behaving Badly" (UK version). Scary to think of him in a kids show, lol

That's true. The Two American show off the top of my head that's been done for various countries is Married...With Children and Law and Order. And as far as American remakes go, the only one I can think of that's been sucessful is The Office. Some don't even make it past the first season.Hallenbeck77
Well that is blasphemy :) Married with Children should never have been remade as it was gerat to begin with...from memory. Gonna have to go look for it now. Regarding Law and Order I wouldn't even notice if one was American or otherwise anymore, there are so damn many of them!

I didn't know that there was a British version of law and order until recently. Not bad from what little I've seen.

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I am curious as to what the US version of Life On Mars is like mind you - I did quite enjoy the UK version...

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[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="Hallenbeck77"][QUOTE="BMD004"]

There are versions of American shows that are re-made in other countries. Not all countries are the same, and the humor might be slightly different or they just need to cater to a specific target audience. And while you think the original show may be better, it may not necessarily get the most viewers in a different country. But they still like the idea and concept, so they remake it.

That's true. The Two American show off the top of my head that's been done for various countries is Married...With Children and Law and Order. And as far as American remakes go, the only one I can think of that's been sucessful is The Office. Some don't even make it past the first season.

Would American Idol and Survivor be considered remakes?

I was thinking more along the lines of scripted shows. I'm not positive, but I think Idol and Survivor were done in Britian before coming to the US.
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I didn't know that there was a British version of law and order until recently. Not bad from what little I've seen.

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I didn't know about either until just before, we only got the US ones here. L&O seems ok from the 5 minutes I saw (will watch the rest of it tonight). Can't find any examples on MwC but, tbh, not sure I want to. The cast of the original were fantastic! Still have a post adolescentcrush on Christina Applegate! :D

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There's a long history of shows being Americanized; it is hardly a new phenomenon.

All in the Family, Three's Company, Sanford and Son, three of the funniest and most famous american sitcoms were based off of British TV shows.

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I am curious as to what the US version of Life On Mars is like mind you - I did quite enjoy the UK version...

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It was an incredible failure to me. The cast was amazing, but they still couldn't get it to work.

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The weirdest thing is the Death At A Funeral black-style remake. The original was funny as hell. (Haven't caught the black version yet)
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Off of my head I only know one British show that had a unsuccessful remake attempt in the U.S.

Doctor Who