And this is why MMA fighters > boxers in a pure fight, and anybody else..

This is a "mixed martial arts" bout from 1991, before the sport even existed... before the UFC. This is a fight at the UWF International between pro-boxer Matthew Saad Muhammad vs. martial artist Kiyoshi Tamura.

Muhammad isn't a scrub. He is a pro-boxer from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA, and he was the WBC World Light Heavywewight Champion. He's part of the International Boxing Hall of Fame and is ranked #24 in Ring Magazine's list of the 100 greatest punchers of all time.

Skip to 8:30 in the video if you just want to watch the fight:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srGYTxiK26g&feature=player_embedded

Obviously the person that can kick and utilize submissions can beat a person that only trains to strike...why do people even argue over this? :?

I agree, especially with the military's special forces part.

Yeah, and then there's the fact that the boxer is almost 40, and MMA chan is only 24

The boxer should of been able to use no gloves Bucked20

Obviously the person that can kick and utilize submissions can beat a person that only trains to strike...why do people even argue over this? :?

DanteSuikoden

Yeah, and then there's the fact that the boxer is almost 40, and MMA chan is only 24

DivergeUnify

[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"]

Yeah, and then there's the fact that the boxer is almost 40, and MMA chan is only 24

BMD004

:| Hell yes it is.. 37 is extremely old for a boxer..

.............. This is completely pointless thread.. Boxign was not about fighting people in real life.. Yet the chest pounding community of MMA would have ust hink that these guys could kill any one in a real fight.. Sorry I am going to have to go with the special forces elite branches in the military.. The people who you know have to deal with said sitiuations and train to KILL the person rather then follow any real rules.. I don't think any one ever really did Dante, its just the MMA community would have us think these guys can bend steel and catch bullets iwth their hands.sSubZerOo

[QUOTE="Bucked20"]The boxer should of been able to use no gloves BMD004

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"].............. This is completely pointless thread.. Boxign was not about fighting people in real life.. Yet the chest pounding community of MMA would have ust hink that these guys could kill any one in a real fight.. Sorry I am going to have to go with the special forces elite branches in the military.. The people who you know have to deal with said sitiuations and train to KILL the person rather then follow any real rules.. I don't think any one ever really did Dante, its just the MMA community would have us think these guys can bend steel and catch bullets iwth their hands.BMD004

Lets go see some one who actually IS TRAINED to kill peoplea nd to deal with said situaitons.. instead of some one in a ring with a referee facing some one of equal weight to you.. Its pointless to do these comparisons because in certain situations one has not trained in the other for the average fighter.. A boxer has trained to box, not fight with your legs.. If they were able to do that they would have to train to be effective.. Same goes for the average MMA fighter in a real street fight.. These "comparisons" don't prove anything.. Boxing is a sport of finesse and skill, its not about them being able to beat any one out there in a street fight or other absurd things like the MMA community like to constantly say..

[QUOTE="DanteSuikoden"]

Obviously the person that can kick and utilize submissions can beat a person that only trains to strike...why do people even argue over this? :?

cybrcatter

[QUOTE="BMD004"][QUOTE="DivergeUnify"]

Yeah, and then there's the fact that the boxer is almost 40, and MMA chan is only 24

sSubZerOo

:| Hell yes it is.. 37 is extremely old for a boxer..

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="BMD004"]No, the boxer was 37 and the martial artist was 22. 37 isn't "old" yet and 22 is "young". I'd say that would be a world champion boxer who is a little past his prime fighting somebody who is very inexperienced. I'd say it's a pretty fair fight. Somebody who hasn't reached his prime vs. somebody a little past his prime.BMD004

:| Hell yes it is.. 37 is extremely old for a boxer..

YOu named a handful of exceptions out of thousands of boxers.. :| Any boxing fan or boxer will tell you 37 is extremely old, and HELL yes its extremely uncommon.

[QUOTE="BMD004"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"].............. This is completely pointless thread.. Boxign was not about fighting people in real life.. Yet the chest pounding community of MMA would have ust hink that these guys could kill any one in a real fight.. Sorry I am going to have to go with the special forces elite branches in the military.. The people who you know have to deal with said sitiuations and train to KILL the person rather then follow any real rules.. I don't think any one ever really did Dante, its just the MMA community would have us think these guys can bend steel and catch bullets iwth their hands.sSubZerOo

Lets go see some one who actually IS TRAINED to kill peoplea nd to deal with said situaitons.. instead of some one in a ring with a referee facing some one of equal weight to you.. Its pointless to do these comparisons because in certain situations one has not trained in the other for the average fighter.. A boxer has trained to box, not fight with your legs.. If they were able to do that they would have to train to be effective.. Same goes for the average MMA fighter in a real street fight.. These "comparisons" don't prove anything.. Boxing is a sport of finesse and skill, its not about them being able to beat any one out there in a street fight or other absurd things like the MMA community like to constantly say..

A special forces guy would still get destroyed. What makes you think they are some unstoppable killing machine? You are saying the MMA community says fighters can "bend steal and catch bullets", yet they say no such thing. It's people who say elite special forces could destroy real martial artists and fighters that are the one's really dreaming.BMD004

A special operative would hand an MMA fighter than ass turned inside out. Why are you assuming they'd have no chance against an MMA fighter? Just because they don't hold belts or ranks, doesn't mean they'd lose to some guy who knows grappling and some striking. SF is trained to kill and are highly skilled. They are put in and trained under much, MUCH more severe conditions.

The matchup was pointless. Of course the MMA guy was going to get him on the ground to make him tap out. The boxer isn't trained for that. MMA still sucks and is extremely boring to watch.

[QUOTE="BMD004"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

:| Hell yes it is.. 37 is extremely old for a boxer..

sSubZerOo

YOu named a handful of exceptions out of thousands of boxers.. :| Any boxing fan or boxer will tell you 37 is extremely old, and HELL yes its extremely uncommon.

And who would be more effective? Somebody who trains with weapons and has special skills to help conduct things like raids on a compound, or somebody who practices martial arts and has been fighting their whole lives, 24/7? I think I'll take the person who is an expert in fighting in a fight over somebody who is an expert in infiltrating compounds and has a little bit of fight training.BMD004

The guy who is literally put in life and death situations, trained to kill, and has been pushed to hell and back to get into elite military groups sounds a lot more tough than a guy who practices jiu-jitsu and maybe another form of self-defense.

You think special forces members aren't experts in fighting and only have a LITTLE BIT of training!? :|

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="BMD004"]A special forces guy would still get destroyed. What makes you think they are some unstoppable killing machine? You are saying the MMA community says fighters can "bend steal and catch bullets", yet they say no such thing. It's people who say elite special forces could destroy real martial artists and fighters that are the one's really dreaming.BMD004

Lets go see some one who actually IS TRAINED to kill peoplea nd to deal with said situaitons.. instead of some one in a ring with a referee facing some one of equal weight to you.. Its pointless to do these comparisons because in certain situations one has not trained in the other for the average fighter.. A boxer has trained to box, not fight with your legs.. If they were able to do that they would have to train to be effective.. Same goes for the average MMA fighter in a real street fight.. These "comparisons" don't prove anything.. Boxing is a sport of finesse and skill, its not about them being able to beat any one out there in a street fight or other absurd things like the MMA community like to constantly say..

Sorry yet again I am going to always pick the person who actually trains to be facing enemy combatants who want to kill you.. Instead of wanting to knock you out or put you into submission.. Special forces are trained to kill people or do permanent damage to their opponent.. The only thing I AM TRYING TO TELL YOU is this.. In a regulated fight wha they were trained to do they will win in their alloted field.. What your trying to make it sound like is the MMA is the god of everything.. No it is not.. Its a regulated sport just like Boxing is.. ANd just like boxing there are certain fight types the MMA fighter like the boxer is at a disadvantage.. And this is why I despise the MMA community.. You make it sound liek tehse guys can kill any one.. They are not trained that way, it a freaking regulated sport.. Stop acting like they are gods.. This in no way belittles them.. But it seems like the MMA community instead of trying to act like a sport like Boxing in where we saw these people as atheletes.. The MMA seems to be solely based around the chest pounding frat boy mentality that its about these guys ability to be able to kill any one.. Utterly ridiculous.

[QUOTE="BMD004"]A special forces guy would still get destroyed. What makes you think they are some unstoppable killing machine? You are saying the MMA community says fighters can "bend steal and catch bullets", yet they say no such thing. It's people who say elite special forces could destroy real martial artists and fighters that are the one's really dreaming.ChubbyGuy40

A special operative would hand an MMA fighter than ass turned inside out. Why are you assuming they'd have no chance against an MMA fighter? Just because they don't hold belts or ranks, doesn't mean they'd lose to some guy who knows grappling and some striking. SF is trained to kill and are highly skilled. They are put in and trained under much, MUCH more severe conditions.

The matchup was pointless. Of course the MMA guy was going to get him on the ground to make him tap out. The boxer isn't trained for that. MMA still sucks and is extremely boring to watch.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="BMD004"]It's old... but not extremely old. Mike Tyson was fighting for the championship at 37. Ali was fighting for the championship at 38. Holyfield is STILL a champion at 48. George Foreman was champion in his mid 40's. 37 is old... but there have been much older, and it's not all that uncommon.BMD004

YOu named a handful of exceptions out of thousands of boxers.. :| Any boxing fan or boxer will tell you 37 is extremely old, and HELL yes its extremely uncommon.

You completely dodged my point that its a rarity.. This guy was over the hill.. He was not in his prime.. Foreman even when he won the title sure as hell wasn't in his prime in his 40s but he still won.. Especially since this guy was wasting his time with a fight like that, he was most definitely over the hill, past his prime.

And a boxer training to be effective with his legs would take away from their boxing training, thus making them less effective with their hands. There is a trade-off. And you act like special forces are trained to kill with their bare hands like Rambo or something. They learn very basic martial arts. They aren't these amazing hand-to-hand killing machines like you think. Special forces are trained to do things like raid a house that Bin Laden is hiding in. They are trained with their weapons, and as a last resort, they are trained in basic hand-to-hand combat as a last resort to help defend yourself in the very unlikely situation that you wouldn't have a weapon and needed to survive. You are acting like they are super-human ninjas. They aren't. They are human beings. And who would be more effective? Somebody who trains with weapons and has special skills to help conduct things like raids on a compound, or somebody who practices martial arts and has been fighting their whole lives, 24/7? I think I'll take the person who is an expert in fighting in a fight over somebody who is an expert in infiltrating compounds and has a little bit of fight training.BMD004

So you're telling me an MMA fighter has a high chance of taking someone out that is trained to be deadly in a no-holds barred bout?

Come on now...this goes back to my first post stating how ridiculous it is to argue over this situation. An MMA fighter uses strikes and submissions and spec-op soldiers use deadly force which includes weapons in their arsenal. If you believe an MMA fighter will succeed in this situation then I don't know what to tell you.

Do you know what special forces operatives do for fight training? Modified brazilian jiu jitsu, judo, boxing, etc. They don't have "super secret techniques" that nobody knows. They all use basic, well-known martial arts techniques that have been around for a long, long time. They aren't "trained to kill" with their bare hands. BMD004

And? I never said they did.

Yes they are. They're trained to kill with any "tool" they have available. :|

[QUOTE="BMD004"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Lets go see some one who actually IS TRAINED to kill peoplea nd to deal with said situaitons.. instead of some one in a ring with a referee facing some one of equal weight to you.. Its pointless to do these comparisons because in certain situations one has not trained in the other for the average fighter.. A boxer has trained to box, not fight with your legs.. If they were able to do that they would have to train to be effective.. Same goes for the average MMA fighter in a real street fight.. These "comparisons" don't prove anything.. Boxing is a sport of finesse and skill, its not about them being able to beat any one out there in a street fight or other absurd things like the MMA community like to constantly say..

sSubZerOo

Sorry yet again I am going to always pick the person who actually trains to be facing enemy combatants who want to kill you.. Instead of wanting to knock you out or put you into submission.. Special forces are trained to kill people or do permanent damage to their opponent.. The only thing I AM TRYING TO TELL YOU is this.. In a regulated fight wha they were trained to do they will win in their alloted field.. What your trying to make it sound like is the MMA is the god of everything.. No it is not.. Its a regulated sport just like Boxing is.. ANd just like boxing there are certain fight types the MMA fighter like the boxer is at a disadvantage.. And this is why I despise the MMA community.. You make it sound liek tehse guys can kill any one.. They are not trained that way, it a freaking regulated sport.. Stop acting like they are gods.. This in no way belittles them.. But it seems like the MMA community instead of trying to act like a sport like Boxing in where we saw these people as atheletes.. The MMA seems to be solely based around the chest pounding frat boy mentality that its about these guys ability to be able to kill any one.. Utterly ridiculous.

[QUOTE="BMD004"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

YOu named a handful of exceptions out of thousands of boxers.. :| Any boxing fan or boxer will tell you 37 is extremely old, and HELL yes its extremely uncommon.

sSubZerOo

You completely dodged my point that its a rarity.. This guy was over the hill.. He was not in his prime.. Foreman even when he won the title sure as hell wasn't in his prime in his 40s but he still won.. Especially since this guy was wasting his time with a fight like that, he was most definitely over the hill, past his prime.

[QUOTE="BMD004"]And a boxer training to be effective with his legs would take away from their boxing training, thus making them less effective with their hands. There is a trade-off. And you act like special forces are trained to kill with their bare hands like Rambo or something. They learn very basic martial arts. They aren't these amazing hand-to-hand killing machines like you think. Special forces are trained to do things like raid a house that Bin Laden is hiding in. They are trained with their weapons, and as a last resort, they are trained in basic hand-to-hand combat as a last resort to help defend yourself in the very unlikely situation that you wouldn't have a weapon and needed to survive. You are acting like they are super-human ninjas. They aren't. They are human beings. And who would be more effective? Somebody who trains with weapons and has special skills to help conduct things like raids on a compound, or somebody who practices martial arts and has been fighting their whole lives, 24/7? I think I'll take the person who is an expert in fighting in a fight over somebody who is an expert in infiltrating compounds and has a little bit of fight training.DanteSuikoden

So you're telling me an MMA fighter has a high chance of taking someone out that is trained to be deadly in a no-holds barred bout?

Come on now...this goes back to my first post stating how ridiculous it is to argue over this situation. An MMA fighter uses strikes and submissions and spec-op soldiers use deadly force which includes weapons in their arsenal. If you believe an MMA fighter will succeed in this situation then I don't know what to tell you.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="BMD004"]And a boxer training to be effective with his legs would take away from their boxing training, thus making them less effective with their hands. There is a trade-off. And you act like special forces are trained to kill with their bare hands like Rambo or something. They learn very basic martial arts. They aren't these amazing hand-to-hand killing machines like you think. Special forces are trained to do things like raid a house that Bin Laden is hiding in. They are trained with their weapons, and as a last resort, they are trained in basic hand-to-hand combat as a last resort to help defend yourself in the very unlikely situation that you wouldn't have a weapon and needed to survive. You are acting like they are super-human ninjas. They aren't. They are human beings. And who would be more effective? Somebody who trains with weapons and has special skills to help conduct things like raids on a compound, or somebody who practices martial arts and has been fighting their whole lives, 24/7? I think I'll take the person who is an expert in fighting in a fight over somebody who is an expert in infiltrating compounds and has a little bit of fight training.BMD004

Sorry yet again I am going to always pick the person who actually trains to be facing enemy combatants who want to kill you.. Instead of wanting to knock you out or put you into submission.. Special forces are trained to kill people or do permanent damage to their opponent.. The only thing I AM TRYING TO TELL YOU is this.. In a regulated fight wha they were trained to do they will win in their alloted field.. What your trying to make it sound like is the MMA is the god of everything.. No it is not.. Its a regulated sport just like Boxing is.. ANd just like boxing there are certain fight types the MMA fighter like the boxer is at a disadvantage.. And this is why I despise the MMA community.. You make it sound liek tehse guys can kill any one.. They are not trained that way, it a freaking regulated sport.. Stop acting like they are gods.. This in no way belittles them.. But it seems like the MMA community instead of trying to act like a sport like Boxing in where we saw these people as atheletes.. The MMA seems to be solely based around the chest pounding frat boy mentality that its about these guys ability to be able to kill any one.. Utterly ridiculous.

Yet again doesn't mean anything in my mind.. Inless these were some how fights to the death.. The fact of the matter is this.. Mark my words.. MMA will crash and burn if its continues to personify this hardass WWE wrestling persona its doing right now.. Where the guys are suppose to be the ultimate badasses.. Boxing was never about that.. These guys were always seen as atheletes first and only many times representing a country.. Its the same kind of stupid nonsense of saying MMA is a harder sport than boxing.. They are DIFFERENT, its hard to compare the two becasue they are so different from one another.. In the end of the day your promotion of trying to make these guys out to be super men is only creating more hatred for the sport.

[QUOTE="BMD004"]Do you know what special forces operatives do for fight training? Modified brazilian jiu jitsu, judo, boxing, etc. They don't have "super secret techniques" that nobody knows. They all use basic, well-known martial arts techniques that have been around for a long, long time. They aren't "trained to kill" with their bare hands. ChubbyGuy40

And? I never said they did.

Yes they are. They're trained to kill with any "tool" they have available. :|

[QUOTE="DanteSuikoden"]

[QUOTE="BMD004"]And a boxer training to be effective with his legs would take away from their boxing training, thus making them less effective with their hands. There is a trade-off. And you act like special forces are trained to kill with their bare hands like Rambo or something. They learn very basic martial arts. They aren't these amazing hand-to-hand killing machines like you think. Special forces are trained to do things like raid a house that Bin Laden is hiding in. They are trained with their weapons, and as a last resort, they are trained in basic hand-to-hand combat as a last resort to help defend yourself in the very unlikely situation that you wouldn't have a weapon and needed to survive. You are acting like they are super-human ninjas. They aren't. They are human beings. And who would be more effective? Somebody who trains with weapons and has special skills to help conduct things like raids on a compound, or somebody who practices martial arts and has been fighting their whole lives, 24/7? I think I'll take the person who is an expert in fighting in a fight over somebody who is an expert in infiltrating compounds and has a little bit of fight training.BMD004

So you're telling me an MMA fighter has a high chance of taking someone out that is trained to be deadly in a no-holds barred bout?

Come on now...this goes back to my first post stating how ridiculous it is to argue over this situation. An MMA fighter uses strikes and submissions and spec-op soldiers use deadly force which includes weapons in their arsenal. If you believe an MMA fighter will succeed in this situation then I don't know what to tell you.

This is a street fight.. There is no relative size.. Special ops are trained to take down all opponents regardless of size.. MMA deal with same weight class roughly, with a ref and more so.. Yet again I will take my bet on the guy that has actually been trained to kill people or cause permanant damage then the other guy that wants to tackle them and submit them or other stupid stufff.. MMA IS A SPORT.. These are ATHLETES stop tyring to promote these guys as super men and women. They are not.

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

[QUOTE="BMD004"]Do you know what special forces operatives do for fight training? Modified brazilian jiu jitsu, judo, boxing, etc. They don't have "super secret techniques" that nobody knows. They all use basic, well-known martial arts techniques that have been around for a long, long time. They aren't "trained to kill" with their bare hands. BMD004

And? I never said they did.

Yes they are. They're trained to kill with any "tool" they have available. :|

Street fight buddy.. No holds bars.. Thats what we have been talking about.. MMA fighter is not trained to do that, hence they can not beat every one.. yet again they train for a REGULATED sport.. Special ops train for LIFE AND DEATH situations.

[QUOTE="DanteSuikoden"]

So you're telling me an MMA fighter has a high chance of taking someone out that is trained to be deadly in a no-holds barred bout?

Come on now...this goes back to my first post stating how ridiculous it is to argue over this situation. An MMA fighter uses strikes and submissions and spec-op soldiers use deadly force which includes weapons in their arsenal. If you believe an MMA fighter will succeed in this situation then I don't know what to tell you.

BMD004

So with stipulations favoring a MMA fighter...the MMA fighter is most likely to win?

Do you see how pointless this discussion is now? Bring this back to the boxer, take away the kicks, submissions and put gloves on the MMA fighter. Place both fighters in a boxing ring with boxing rules and stipulations favoring the boxer....who do you think is going to win?

[QUOTE="BMD004"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Sorry yet again I am going to always pick the person who actually trains to be facing enemy combatants who want to kill you.. Instead of wanting to knock you out or put you into submission.. Special forces are trained to kill people or do permanent damage to their opponent.. The only thing I AM TRYING TO TELL YOU is this.. In a regulated fight wha they were trained to do they will win in their alloted field.. What your trying to make it sound like is the MMA is the god of everything.. No it is not.. Its a regulated sport just like Boxing is.. ANd just like boxing there are certain fight types the MMA fighter like the boxer is at a disadvantage.. And this is why I despise the MMA community.. You make it sound liek tehse guys can kill any one.. They are not trained that way, it a freaking regulated sport.. Stop acting like they are gods.. This in no way belittles them.. But it seems like the MMA community instead of trying to act like a sport like Boxing in where we saw these people as atheletes.. The MMA seems to be solely based around the chest pounding frat boy mentality that its about these guys ability to be able to kill any one.. Utterly ridiculous.

sSubZerOo

Yet again doesn't mean anything in my mind.. Inless these were some how fights to the death.. The fact of the matter is this.. Mark my words.. MMA will crash and burn if its continues to personify this hardass WWE wrestling persona its doing right now.. Where the guys are suppose to be the ultimate badasses.. Boxing was never about that.. These guys were always seen as atheletes first and only many times representing a country.. Its the same kind of stupid nonsense of saying MMA is a harder sport than boxing.. They are DIFFERENT, its hard to compare the two becasue they are so different from one another.. In the end of the day your promotion of trying to make these guys out to be super men is only creating more hatred for the sport.

*Sigh* These threads are so pointless.

How can this even be considered a fair fight when the boxer wears gloves and the MMA fighter doesn't.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="BMD004"]First of all, there are unregulated fights all over the country. Secondly, in other countries... like say, Brazil, there are no-rules fights called Vale Tudo where a LOT of upcoming MMA fighters start out. They are martial artists FIRST. They learn the full martial arts FIRST.. that includes illegal techniques. THEN, they modify their game based on the rules of the organization they are fighting in.

BMD004

Yet again doesn't mean anything in my mind.. Inless these were some how fights to the death.. The fact of the matter is this.. Mark my words.. MMA will crash and burn if its continues to personify this hardass WWE wrestling persona its doing right now.. Where the guys are suppose to be the ultimate badasses.. Boxing was never about that.. These guys were always seen as atheletes first and only many times representing a country.. Its the same kind of stupid nonsense of saying MMA is a harder sport than boxing.. They are DIFFERENT, its hard to compare the two becasue they are so different from one another.. In the end of the day your promotion of trying to make these guys out to be super men is only creating more hatred for the sport.

................ No they really didn't most times.. The biggest draw was the national movement they embodied.. Men like Ali weren't just considered great boxers, they had a callinga movement that they represented behind them.. What I am trying to tell you is the atheletes in MMA sports are just that.. ATHLETES.. Just because they compete in the said sport it should not be expected that they would some how be able to beat a spec ops elite ina street fight.. Just like it shouldnt' be expected for a boxer to win a MMA game only using their boxing skills.. I am sorry but yet again the said spec ops guys are said to actually kill their opponent or do permanant damage.. Armed or disarmed.. Fighting a opponent who is armed or disarmed.. A MMA opponetn doesn't do that.. They train for a regulated fight environment against some one who is equal size..

[QUOTE="BMD004"][QUOTE="DanteSuikoden"]

So you're telling me an MMA fighter has a high chance of taking someone out that is trained to be deadly in a no-holds barred bout?

Come on now...this goes back to my first post stating how ridiculous it is to argue over this situation. An MMA fighter uses strikes and submissions and spec-op soldiers use deadly force which includes weapons in their arsenal. If you believe an MMA fighter will succeed in this situation then I don't know what to tell you.

sSubZerOo

This is a street fight.. There is no relative size.. Special ops are trained to take down all opponents regardless of size.. MMA deal with same weight class roughly, with a ref and more so.. Yet again I will take my bet on the guy that has actually been trained to kill people or cause permanant damage then the other guy that wants to tackle them and submit them or other stupid stufff.. MMA IS A SPORT.. These are ATHLETES stop tyring to promote these guys as super men and women. They are not.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="BMD004"]What do you mean weapons in his arsenal? We are talking about a fight... a no weapons fight. Special ops guys would get beat in a fight against an MMA fighter of relative size, easily. Fist-fighting isn't a special ops specialty. That is what an MMA fighter focuses 100% of their time doing... that is what they do... the ONLY thing they do. BMD004

This is a street fight.. There is no relative size.. Special ops are trained to take down all opponents regardless of size.. MMA deal with same weight class roughly, with a ref and more so.. Yet again I will take my bet on the guy that has actually been trained to kill people or cause permanant damage then the other guy that wants to tackle them and submit them or other stupid stufff.. MMA IS A SPORT.. These are ATHLETES stop tyring to promote these guys as super men and women. They are not.

.. Of course they are BECAUSE THEIR FIGHTS are to the death most likely.. It isn't about being FAIR.. MMA fighting is a COMPETITIOn in which equal sizes are matched agianst one another.. And yes MMA fighters are trained to knock out or cause submission.. A spec ops person is trained to break bones, do real damage or flat out kill the person if necessary.. I hope you understand the difference?

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"].............. This is completely pointless thread.. Boxign was not about fighting people in real life.. Yet the chest pounding community of MMA would have ust hink that these guys could kill any one in a real fight.. Sorry I am going to have to go with the special forces elite branches in the military.. The people who you know have to deal with said sitiuations and train to KILL the person rather then follow any real rules.. I don't think any one ever really did Dante, its just the MMA community would have us think these guys can bend steel and catch bullets iwth their hands.BMD004

[QUOTE="BMD004"][QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

And? I never said they did.

Yes they are. They're trained to kill with any "tool" they have available. :|

sSubZerOo

Street fight buddy.. No holds bars.. Thats what we have been talking about.. MMA fighter is not trained to do that, hence they can not beat every one.. yet again they train for a REGULATED sport.. Special ops train for LIFE AND DEATH situations.

*Sigh* These threads are so pointless.goth_bacon

[QUOTE="BMD004"][QUOTE="DanteSuikoden"]

So you're telling me an MMA fighter has a high chance of taking someone out that is trained to be deadly in a no-holds barred bout?

Come on now...this goes back to my first post stating how ridiculous it is to argue over this situation. An MMA fighter uses strikes and submissions and spec-op soldiers use deadly force which includes weapons in their arsenal. If you believe an MMA fighter will succeed in this situation then I don't know what to tell you.

DanteSuikoden

So with stipulations favoring a MMA fighter...the MMA fighter is most likely to win?

Do you see how pointless this discussion is now? Bring this back to the boxer, take away the kicks, submissions and put gloves on the MMA fighter. Place both fighters in a boxing ring with boxing rules and stipulations favoring the boxer....who do you think is going to win?

Here's a qucik example of hand to hand comabt that can lead to death.
Pressure Points

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="BMD004"]Then that isn't a fist-fight... that is a fight with weapons. BMD004

Street fight buddy.. No holds bars.. Thats what we have been talking about.. MMA fighter is not trained to do that, hence they can not beat every one.. yet again they train for a REGULATED sport.. Special ops train for LIFE AND DEATH situations.

Thats great your posting random footage of random military with out giving any idea who or what they are.. Special forces we are talking about here.. It almost seems like you can't handle having MMA being called just a sport, it has to be a sport to the death.. Where they catch bullets with their teeth! Or bend steel bars with their bare hands!.. Yet again a special forces guy trains in tactics where life depends on it.. A typical MMA fighter does not.. How is this so hard to understand?

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Yet again doesn't mean anything in my mind.. Inless these were some how fights to the death.. The fact of the matter is this.. Mark my words.. MMA will crash and burn if its continues to personify this hardass WWE wrestling persona its doing right now.. Where the guys are suppose to be the ultimate badasses.. Boxing was never about that.. These guys were always seen as atheletes first and only many times representing a country.. Its the same kind of stupid nonsense of saying MMA is a harder sport than boxing.. They are DIFFERENT, its hard to compare the two becasue they are so different from one another.. In the end of the day your promotion of trying to make these guys out to be super men is only creating more hatred for the sport.

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................ No they really didn't most times.. The biggest draw was the national movement they embodied.. Men like Ali weren't just considered great boxers, they had a callinga movement that they represented behind them.. What I am trying to tell you is the atheletes in MMA sports are just that.. ATHLETES.. Just because they compete in the said sport it should not be expected that they would some how be able to beat a spec ops elite ina street fight.. Just like it shouldnt' be expected for a boxer to win a MMA game only using their boxing skills.. I am sorry but yet again the said spec ops guys are said to actually kill their opponent or do permanant damage.. Armed or disarmed.. Fighting a opponent who is armed or disarmed.. A MMA opponetn doesn't do that.. They train for a regulated fight environment against some one who is equal size..

"Ex-UFC star in bloody street fight caught on tape":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9JpeKKBScA

Roger Huerta is a lightweight...

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[QUOTE="BMD004"]I'm not trying to make them out to be supermen. I love boxing, too. I'm trying to destroy stupid myths about martial arts that people have. Myths that special forces are hand-to-hand killing machines. It's all non-sense. If a MMA fighter fought in a boxing match, he'd get smoked. I don't dispute that. I'm trying to stop the absurdity of people saying that mixed martial artists are only effective in fights with rules and that people who are half the fighters they are can beat them in a no rules fight just because there aren't any rules. And that isn't true at all. A basic-trained guy would be in even more trouble against a MMA guy in a real fight because there would be no rules or ref to save HIM. P.S... a lot of boxers used to be known as "the baddest man on the planet". They played up that part of boxing, too.... don't act like they didn't.BMD004

................ No they really didn't most times.. The biggest draw was the national movement they embodied.. Men like Ali weren't just considered great boxers, they had a callinga movement that they represented behind them.. What I am trying to tell you is the atheletes in MMA sports are just that.. ATHLETES.. Just because they compete in the said sport it should not be expected that they would some how be able to beat a spec ops elite ina street fight.. Just like it shouldnt' be expected for a boxer to win a MMA game only using their boxing skills.. I am sorry but yet again the said spec ops guys are said to actually kill their opponent or do permanant damage.. Armed or disarmed.. Fighting a opponent who is armed or disarmed.. A MMA opponetn doesn't do that.. They train for a regulated fight environment against some one who is equal size..

"Ex-UFC star in bloody street fight caught on tape":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9JpeKKBScA

OMG :lol: a random jackass with his shirt off fighting another random guy in the street! THAT MUST MEAN he is dangerous!