And this is why MMA fighters > boxers in a pure fight, and anybody else..

Obviously the person that can kick and utilize submissions can beat a person that only trains to strike...why do people even argue over this? :?

DanteSuikoden

[QUOTE="BMD004"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

This is a street fight.. There is no relative size.. Special ops are trained to take down all opponents regardless of size.. MMA deal with same weight class roughly, with a ref and more so.. Yet again I will take my bet on the guy that has actually been trained to kill people or cause permanant damage then the other guy that wants to tackle them and submit them or other stupid stufff.. MMA IS A SPORT.. These are ATHLETES stop tyring to promote these guys as super men and women. They are not.

sSubZerOo

.. Of course they are BECAUSE THEIR FIGHTS are to the death most likely.. It isn't about being FAIR.. MMA fighting is a COMPETITIOn in which equal sizes are matched agianst one another.. And yes MMA fighters are trained to knock out or cause submission.. A spec ops person is trained to break bones, do real damage or flat out kill the person if necessary.. I hope you understand the difference?

Secondly, MMA isn't about submitting ... submitting is only an OPTION for the guy getting beat up. He can tap... or not! He doesn't have to tap.. and if you don't tap, you see people get choked unconcious or limbs broken. Here are some examples since you clearly don't know:

choked unconcious:

[QUOTE="BMD004"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"].............. This is completely pointless thread.. Boxign was not about fighting people in real life.. Yet the chest pounding community of MMA would have ust hink that these guys could kill any one in a real fight.. Sorry I am going to have to go with the special forces elite branches in the military.. The people who you know have to deal with said sitiuations and train to KILL the person rather then follow any real rules.. I don't think any one ever really did Dante, its just the MMA community would have us think these guys can bend steel and catch bullets iwth their hands.tocool340

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="BMD004"]Then that isn't a fist-fight... that is a fight with weapons. BMD004

Street fight buddy.. No holds bars.. Thats what we have been talking about.. MMA fighter is not trained to do that, hence they can not beat every one.. yet again they train for a REGULATED sport.. Special ops train for LIFE AND DEATH situations.

[QUOTE="BMD004"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Street fight buddy.. No holds bars.. Thats what we have been talking about.. MMA fighter is not trained to do that, hence they can not beat every one.. yet again they train for a REGULATED sport.. Special ops train for LIFE AND DEATH situations.

sSubZerOo

Thats great your posting random footage of random military with out giving any idea who or what they are.. Special forces we are talking about here.. It almost seems like you can't handle having MMA being called just a sport, it has to be a sport to the death.. Where they catch bullets with their teeth! Or bend steel bars with their bare hands!.. Yet again a special forces guy trains in tactics where life depends on it.. A typical MMA fighter does not.. How is this so hard to understand?

[QUOTE="BMD004"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Street fight buddy.. No holds bars.. Thats what we have been talking about.. MMA fighter is not trained to do that, hence they can not beat every one.. yet again they train for a REGULATED sport.. Special ops train for LIFE AND DEATH situations.

atony12

It comes down to the individual in an all out fight. I am sure there are boxers who could beat mma fighters in street fights and vice versa.

LOL at your original video and posting the Roger Huerta video as well. Obviously a mma fighter is going to win an mma fight against a boxer just as a boxer would win a boxing match. As for your second video, Rashad Bobino is not a fighter and Huerta hits him after another guy went at Bobino. Huerta would have beat him regardless though because Bobino is not a fighter.

Boxing is better than MMA. Do you get your rocks hard trying to convince us that mma fighters are the ultimate human beings/fighting machines or something because this thread is laughable?

Personally I like boxing better. If I can catch a good UFC fight when they aren't on the ground the entire match I'll enjoy it but I don't enjoy two men on top of each other rolling around on the ground the entire match. I know there's more to it and I won't deny that it takes a lot of training and skill to pull off what those MMA fighters do but to me that's just not fun to watch. Watching two men fight toe to toe on their feet until one of them gets KO'd or the match ends with a decision is much more interesting to me.

MMA fighters learn multiple ways of fighting while boxers only learn one. I still believe that the average amateur boxer could destroy the average Karate/Taekwondo fighter as seen here because of how hard they train their bodies in comparison rather than just technique. A MMA fighter with lots of experience who is well trained and in good shape physically would probably win against a boxer in most cases though.

It comes down to the individual in an all out fight. I am sure there are boxers who could beat mma fighters in street fights and vice versa.

LOL at your original video and posting the Roger Huerta video as well. Obviously a mma fighter is going to win an mma fight against a boxer just as a boxer would win a boxing match. As for your second video, Rashad Bobino is not a fighter and Huerta hits him after another guy went at Bobino. Huerta would have beat him regardless though because Bobino is not a fighter.

Boxing is better than MMA. Do you get your rocks hard trying to convince us that mma fighters are the ultimate human beings/fighting machines or something because this thread is laughable?

cmpepper23

Personally I like boxing better. If I can catch a good UFC fight when they aren't on the ground the entire match I'll enjoy it but I don't enjoy two men on top of each other rolling around on the ground the entire match. I know there's more to it and I won't deny that it takes a lot of training and skill to pull off what those MMA fighters do but to me that's just not fun to watch. Watching two men fight toe to toe on their feet until one of them gets KO'd or the match ends with a decision is much more interesting to me.

MMA fighters learn multiple ways of fighting while boxers only learn one. I still believe that the average amateur boxer could destroy the average Karate/Taekwondo fighter as seen here because of how hard they train their bodies in comparison rather than just technique. A MMA fighter with lots of experience who is well trained and in good shape physically would probably win against a boxer in most cases though.

XileLord

Completely useless comparison. You're comparing one fighting discipline to another which is a combination any disciplines. It's like racing an F1 car against a minivan to prove how superior the F1 car is.

Completely useless comparison. You're comparing one fighting discipline to another which is a combination any disciplines. It's like racing an F1 car against a minivan to prove how superior the F1 car is.

Crunchy_Nuts

[QUOTE="Crunchy_Nuts"]

Completely useless comparison. You're comparing one fighting discipline to another which is a combination any disciplines. It's like racing an F1 car against a minivan to prove how superior the F1 car is.

BMD004

Personally I like boxing better. If I can catch a good UFC fight when they aren't on the ground the entire match I'll enjoy it but I don't enjoy two men on top of each other rolling around on the ground the entire match. I know there's more to it and I won't deny that it takes a lot of training and skill to pull off what those MMA fighters do but to me that's just not fun to watch. Watching two men fight toe to toe on their feet until one of them gets KO'd or the match ends with a decision is much more interesting to me.

MMA fighters learn multiple ways of fighting while boxers only learn one. I still believe that the average amateur boxer could destroy the average Karate/Taekwondo fighter as seen here because of how hard they train their bodies in comparison rather than just technique. A MMA fighter with lots of experience who is well trained and in good shape physically would probably win against a boxer in most cases though.

XileLord

[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"]Spec ops vs MMA fighter: So MMA fighter rushes in takes down, tries putting into submission. Spec Ops man grabs his balls, pulls them, stabs him in eyes with his fingers, then snaps his neck. BMD004

The reason why these submissions work so well in MMA is because things like grabbing and stabbing aren't allowed. Fighters don't know what submission they're going to catch another in. Not all submissions allow this shield of impenetrability you describe

[QUOTE="BMD004"][QUOTE="DivergeUnify"]Spec ops vs MMA fighter: So MMA fighter rushes in takes down, tries putting into submission. Spec Ops man grabs his balls, pulls them, stabs him in eyes with his fingers, then snaps his neck. DivergeUnify

The reason why these submissions work so well in MMA is because things like grabbing and stabbing aren't allowed. Fighters don't know what submission they're going to catch another in. Not all submissions allow this shield of impenetrability you describe

[QUOTE="cmpepper23"]

It comes down to the individual in an all out fight. I am sure there are boxers who could beat mma fighters in street fights and vice versa.

LOL at your original video and posting the Roger Huerta video as well. Obviously a mma fighter is going to win an mma fight against a boxer just as a boxer would win a boxing match. As for your second video, Rashad Bobino is not a fighter and Huerta hits him after another guy went at Bobino. Huerta would have beat him regardless though because Bobino is not a fighter.

Boxing is better than MMA. Do you get your rocks hard trying to convince us that mma fighters are the ultimate human beings/fighting machines or something because this thread is laughable?

BMD004

1. I agree with most of that, but my point is it comes down to the individual. Not every mma fighter is going to win a street fight against a boxer and vice versa regardless of discipline or style. Mentality, toughness and other aspects of a person factor into it as well.

2. There is no proper context for the huerta video. I read the post, and it just isn't applicable.

3. I'm glad. I prefer boxing but respect mma. There are some mma fighters who train at my gym.

And this anecdote is stupid for two reasons:

Boxing IS a martial art and lots of MMA fighters utilise boxing.

2 You have selected a fight where by you have to explain that they are professionals because they are a couple of guys most people haven't heard of.

This arguement always comes down to the rules of the fight. It's great saying a guy who only boxes would be s*** in an MMA cage, but even an average boxer would destroy somebody who only knows BJJ in a boxing ring and the boxer is always going to be the best striker in the whole organisation. If you start talking about real life I would suggest that the winner is the guy with the biggest cudgel and the most friends because nothing much matters after that.

[QUOTE="BMD004"][QUOTE="cmpepper23"]

It comes down to the individual in an all out fight. I am sure there are boxers who could beat mma fighters in street fights and vice versa.

LOL at your original video and posting the Roger Huerta video as well. Obviously a mma fighter is going to win an mma fight against a boxer just as a boxer would win a boxing match. As for your second video, Rashad Bobino is not a fighter and Huerta hits him after another guy went at Bobino. Huerta would have beat him regardless though because Bobino is not a fighter.

Boxing is better than MMA. Do you get your rocks hard trying to convince us that mma fighters are the ultimate human beings/fighting machines or something because this thread is laughable?

cmpepper23

1. I agree with most of that, but my point is it comes down to the individual. Not every mma fighter is going to win a street fight against a boxer and vice versa regardless of discipline or style. Mentality, toughness and other aspects of a person factor into it as well.

2. There is no proper context for the huerta video. I read the post, and it just isn't applicable.

3. I'm glad. I prefer boxing but respect mma. There are some mma fighters who train at my gym.

[QUOTE="tocool340"][QUOTE="BMD004"]A special forces guy would still get destroyed. What makes you think they are some unstoppable killing machine? You are saying the MMA community says fighters can "bend steal and catch bullets", yet they say no such thing. It's people who say elite special forces could destroy real martial artists and fighters that are the one's really dreaming.BMD004

And this anecdote is stupid for two reasons:

Boxing IS a martial art and lots of MMA fighters utilise boxing.

2 You have selected a fight where by you have to explain that they are professionals because they are a couple of guys most people haven't heard of.

This arguement always comes down to the rules of the fight. It's great saying a guy who only boxes would be s*** in an MMA cage, but even an average boxer would destroy somebody who only knows BJJ in a boxing ring and the boxer is always going to be the best striker in the whole organisation. If you start talking about real life I would suggest that the winner is the guy with the biggest cudgel and the most friends because nothing much matters after that.

Leejjohno

Well of course it comes down to the individual... but I'm talking about the best against the best. The special forces are the most elite soldiers. Therefore, compare them to the most elite fighters. I don't think not one special forces soldier can beat any UFC fighter in a no-rules fight without weapons... preferably from the traditional weight classes and up (155+) BMD004

By your original post and title it seems more like you are generalizing all mma fighters and boxers. You never specified the best of both worlds. Maybe you should not make such misleading topics/threads. I'm pretty sure there are some special forces soldiers who could beat a UFC fighter in a street fight. You're pushing it a bit with your overgeneralizations.

You should provide some factual evidence on what special forces train in, because it sounds like you are just pulling this out of your arse. Are you in special forces? Have you trained with them? My guess is no. The situations you are laying out are also assuming the fighter doesn't make a mistake and is impeccable throughout the fight, and in real life that is just not the case.

[QUOTE="Leejjohno"]

And this anecdote is stupid for two reasons:

Boxing IS a martial art and lots of MMA fighters utilise boxing.

2 You have selected a fight where by you have to explain that they are professionals because they are a couple of guys most people haven't heard of.

This arguement always comes down to the rules of the fight. It's great saying a guy who only boxes would be s*** in an MMA cage, but even an average boxer would destroy somebody who only knows BJJ in a boxing ring and the boxer is always going to be the best striker in the whole organisation. If you start talking about real life I would suggest that the winner is the guy with the biggest cudgel and the most friends because nothing much matters after that.

BMD004

That is subjective because I don't think it is close to the real thing, but regardless the two competitions shouldn't be compared because that's all they are. As far as I am concerned boxing is the ultimate form of striking, which is why a lot of MMA fighters use it primarily and use other ground styles only to defend against takedowns. And if it's so "ultimate" why do so many people dislike it when the fight stays mostly on the ground? Which I am sure we all know is very technical, and tactical... yet boring as far as entertainment value goes.

[QUOTE="BMD004"][QUOTE="Leejjohno"]

And this anecdote is stupid for two reasons:

Boxing IS a martial art and lots of MMA fighters utilise boxing.

2 You have selected a fight where by you have to explain that they are professionals because they are a couple of guys most people haven't heard of.

This arguement always comes down to the rules of the fight. It's great saying a guy who only boxes would be s*** in an MMA cage, but even an average boxer would destroy somebody who only knows BJJ in a boxing ring and the boxer is always going to be the best striker in the whole organisation. If you start talking about real life I would suggest that the winner is the guy with the biggest cudgel and the most friends because nothing much matters after that.

Leejjohno

That is subjective because I don't think it is close to the real thing, but regardless the two competitions shouldn't be compared because that's all they are. As far as I am concerned boxing is the ultimate form of striking, which is why a lot of MMA fighters use it primarily and use other ground styles only to defend against takedowns. And if it's so "ultimate" why do so many people dislike it when the fight stays mostly on the ground? Which I am sure we all know is very technical, and tactical... yet boring as far as entertainment value goes.

But I do agree that pure boxing is the best stand-up art... although it would have to be heavily modified for a real fight.

Boxing is a very limited type of fighting. Obviously someone trained in multiple forms of martial arts will do better.

You should provide some factual evidence on what special forces train in, because it sounds like you are just pulling this out of your arse. Are you in special forces? Have you trained with them? My guess is no. The situations you are laying out are also assuming the fighter doesn't make a mistake and is impeccable throughout the fight, and in real life that is just not the case.

cmpepper23

It's just common knowledge (at least it should be) that the military, including special forces, don't train extensively in fighting with no weapons. It's a huge urban legend that they are trained into these fighting machines that will snap your neck and break your limbs, etc. I've picked up information from different people I've known throughout the years who have been in the military. People I've trained with say their unarmed hand-to-hand was a joke compared to serious martial arts training.

MMA is boring, you may as well put two kids in a ring and watch them fight.

Obviously the person that can kick and utilize submissions can beat a person that only trains to strike...why do people even argue over this? :?

DanteSuikoden

A person who can kick, and only did kick, and also jump on the guy and grab him vs. Only punching, mild grabbing.

Fair Fight right?!

Why didn't they wait a few days and come back for a boxing match. MMA guy would have been wooped just the same. This isn't surprising.

Kind of a mismatch when one person is wearing boxing gloves, drastically limiting his grabbing ability and softening punches.

The boxer should of been able to use no gloves Bucked20

Anyone that thinks MMA fighters aren't the best in the world are just being silly.

MMA fights are just so boring! Half the time its just two guys on the ground hugging each other. Makes for a good certain kind of movie.

Obviously the person that can kick and utilize submissions can beat a person that only trains to strike...why do people even argue over this? :?

DanteSuikoden

Exactly. Also to not take low shots and most importantly, to not hit a man that is down.

What a great thread, what's next? i know, why don't we prove why an NFL player is a better tackler than a Soccer player.

we get it. mma is great. it's still boring. comp_atkins