and you hate Bush because.......?

More than 50 000 civilians have died in Iraq as a direct or indirect consequence of the pointless war he started. Thats reason enough. No Weapons of mass destruction were found and that was the reason hes tated all along as to why Iraq was a threat.

Thats a good enough reason for someone to be angry at him I think......

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LukeAF24

So, you posted information to help back my claim? And then eye rolled? You lost me on that one.

The House and Senate are almost evenly split. It literally is 50 - 50 in the Senate because the traitor Lieberman. So how do you expect them to get anything done when they don't have enough votes to override a veto and when there's several Blue Dog Democrats that vote with the Republicans?

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The war in Iraq, No Child Left Behind Act, Patriot Act, and listening to him speak in defense of these sure doesn't help.

farsideofbryan

Let's see, Congress, Congress, Congress again. Hmm, I see a trend. Let's not forget everyone's favorite hero, Obama, has voted for the latter two. Guess everyone needs to hate him as well.

Bush proposed all three of those. And even so, he does have a choice to veto both of those bills. Obama of course voted for No Child Left Behind, it was a very liberal bill. It was just poorly funded which is why it failed, it just needs some fixing. Nothing to really argue for the Patriot Act really...

He voted for the Patriot Act only after him and Senator Feingold added amendments to protect civil liberties which passed the Senate but the House rejected.

Okay...What's your point? He was only a little bit unconstitutional?

Pretty much. At least he tried.

If the Patriot hadn't passed, the Republicans would have blamed it on the Demcrats and frankly, most Americans care more about being protected from evil terrorists than protecting their civil liberties.

I don't condone his vote, just giving his excuse.

More than 50 000 civilians have died in Iraq as a direct or indirect consequence of the pointless war he started. Thats reason enough. No Weapons of mass destruction were found and that was the reason hes tated all along as to why Iraq was a threat.coolpixel

He Invaded Iraq.

Allowed Israel to Bomb Lebanon to shreds.

Ran the U.S economy into the ground.

Couldn't provide half decent help for the City of New Orleans.

Refuses to sign the Kyoto Protocol.

Need i go on......

coolpixel

1. Iraq is a strategic location to control, especially for further operations and stabalization of the region. See - United States military's opinion.

2. Would you rather Lebanon had bombed Israel to shreds?

3. The US economy broke uptrend RECORDS with bush in office.

4. The Federal government of the United States is not obligated to support a state in case of a natural disastor. That is the responsibility of the State Government. Things like FEMA are a luxury, believe it or not.

5. And any sensible man would refuse to sign the Kyoto Protocol. I wouldnt want a president who jumps on bandwagons. There is still no real solid evidence that Global Warming is man made and there is still debate within the scientific community. Remember, science isnt about consensus, it's about the scientific method.

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More than 50 000 civilians have died in Iraq as a direct or indirect consequence of the pointless war he started. Thats reason enough. No Weapons of mass destruction were found and that was the reason hes tated all along as to why Iraq was a threat.blackngold29

Remember Sadam not having anything to do with Sept 11. Remember the ruthless dictators that killed peaceful monks in Darfur and Burma. Why aren't we going there. The truth is that Sadam hated terrorrists, didn't harbor them, and actually sought out and killed them. Now Iraq is a breeding ground for them. Reagan had it right, we don't understand Middle East politics so we shouldn't be over their.

As for hating on Bush. Exxon Mobile just posted the largest profit by any organization ever....this is when gas is 3.00. This can be contributed to the huge tax breaks for the oil companies. Also the tax cuts period.

Let me school you on economics real quick. The economy is driven on approx 70 percent consumption and 30 percent investment. This means that if you want the economy to continue going forward you fund consumption, not investment. How do you do this you ask....you cut taxes on the lowest 80 percent of the population....the people who consume the most amount of goods. This causes profits to rise and then you raise taxes on the top 20 percent. Why do you do this, because people in the top 20 percent benifit most from the government, DARPA, Federal Reserve, subsidaries etc.

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He Invaded Iraq.

Allowed Israel to Bomb Lebanon to shreds.

Ran the U.S economy into the ground.

Couldn't provide half decent help for the City of New Orleans.

Refuses to sign the Kyoto Protocol.

Need i go on......

Tolwan

1. Iraq is a strategic location to control, especially for further operations and stabalization of the region. See - United States military's opinion.

2. Would you rather Lebanon had bombed Israel to shreds?

3. The US economy broke uptrend RECORDS with bush in office.

4. The Federal government of the United States is not obligated to support a state in case of a natural disastor. That is the responsibility of the State Government. Things like FEMA are a luxury, believe it or not.

5. And any sensible man would refuse to sign the Kyoto Protocol. I wouldnt want a president who jumps on bandwagons. There is still no real solid evidence that Global Warming is man made and there is still debate within the scientific community. Remember, science isnt about consensus, it's about the scientific method.

1. We don't need stabilization, we need to leave.

2. Umm we aren't Isreal, Isreal does it's own thing, so who cares

3. Yet Median Income and Average Income have fallen and Qualiry of Life is not as good as in 2000

4. While you are correct, the fact that we do have FEMA means that we dropped the ball. That is the reason for having FEMA, and if it doesn't work, someone has to take the blame.

5. I'd rather be safe then sorry when it comes to global warming. I really don't want want to wait for the controversy to end to find out that it is man made. Not to mention reducing Green House Gases has a direct tie in with Energy Independence and reducing our addiction to foriegn oil.

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More than 50 000 civilians have died in Iraq as a direct or indirect consequence of the pointless war he started. Thats reason enough. No Weapons of mass destruction were found and that was the reason hes tated all along as to why Iraq was a threat.dlp21

Remember Sadam not having anything to do with Sept 11. Remember the ruthless dictators that killed peaceful monks in Darfur and Burma. Why aren't we going there. The truth is that Sadam hated terrorrists, didn't harbor them, and actually sought out and killed them. Now Iraq is a breeding ground for them. Reagan had it right, we don't understand Middle East politics so we shouldn't be over their.

As for hating on Bush. Exxon Mobile just posted the largest profit by any organization ever....this is when gas is 3.00. This can be contributed to the huge tax breaks for the oil companies. Also the tax cuts period.

Let me school you on economics real quick. The economy is driven on approx 70 percent consumption and 30 percent investment. This means that if you want the economy to continue going forward you fund consumption, not investment. How do you do this you ask....you cut taxes on the lowest 80 percent of the population....the people who consume the most amount of goods. This causes profits to rise and then you raise taxes on the top 20 percent. Why do you do this, because people in the top 20 percent benifit most from the government, DARPA, Federal Reserve, subsidaries etc.

[QUOTE="Tolwan"][QUOTE="coolpixel"]

He Invaded Iraq.

Allowed Israel to Bomb Lebanon to shreds.

Ran the U.S economy into the ground.

Couldn't provide half decent help for the City of New Orleans.

Refuses to sign the Kyoto Protocol.

Need i go on......

dlp21

1. Iraq is a strategic location to control, especially for further operations and stabalization of the region. See - United States military's opinion.

2. Would you rather Lebanon had bombed Israel to shreds?

3. The US economy broke uptrend RECORDS with bush in office.

4. The Federal government of the United States is not obligated to support a state in case of a natural disastor. That is the responsibility of the State Government. Things like FEMA are a luxury, believe it or not.

5. And any sensible man would refuse to sign the Kyoto Protocol. I wouldnt want a president who jumps on bandwagons. There is still no real solid evidence that Global Warming is man made and there is still debate within the scientific community. Remember, science isnt about consensus, it's about the scientific method.

1. We don't need stabilization, we need to leave.

2. Umm we aren't Isreal, Isreal does it's own thing, so who cares

3. Yet Median Income and Average Income have fallen and Qualiry of Life is not as good as in 2000

4. While you are correct, the fact that we do have FEMA means that we dropped the ball. That is the reason for having FEMA, and if it doesn't work, someone has to take the blame.

5. I'd rather be safe then sorry when it comes to global warming. I really don't want want to wait for the controversy to end to find out that it is man made. Not to mention reducing Green House Gases has a direct tie in with Energy Independence and reducing our addiction to foriegn oil.

1. The incident of 9/11 showed that the major distabilization in the middle east has begun to spill out into the rest of the world. Stabilization of the region lowers the risk of Organized terrorism launching any successful attacks. Iran also poses a more long-term threat to the united states military. Not only have they threatened to nuke Israel off the map, they've threatened to follow that to the US. While they may not be able to successful get nuclear arms, they present a huge military risk that we need to have a handle on. And while you can say the US government is responsible for the Current leadership in Iran, that was a different president and a different congress and thus an irrelevant point. Oh, and yeah, there are valuable resources in the middle east too. (Though we do get the majority of our oil from other places, such as canada). 9/11 pushed America into a more aggressive and imperialistic stance. Which history seems to show is often a far more successful stance for long-lasting nations to take.

2. Your point?

3. True for now, however Job growth and the stock market have seen substantial boosts within Bush's career. There has been a huge downfall of that in the last couple of months, but one could say this is simply the market correcting itself (The Economy has natural ups and downs. If the economy starts doing really well, you have to have a period where things fall pretty low before getting back up there).

4.Point is, we dont need to have FEMA at all. And while FEMA certainly isnt up to what you would expect or want of such an organization, it becomes out of line to start outright bashing the president for it's state.

5. Considering the major economic impact of signing these accords, i would rather we have the facts to show WE are responsible before throwing our economy to the wind. Right now, corporations are trying to go green on their own, doing it slow and steady so that there is no real economic impact. This is certainly favorable over having the Federal government shove it down their throats, isnt it?

1. He's a complete idiot

2. Invades countries for oil (pretend he doesn't)

3. (links with 1.) He managed to fall off a Segway

james28893

I remember the infamous segway fall:lol:

I never hated Bush. don't see why other people say they do. they either got no reason to or know nothing about Bush.Kikouken

1. The 911 commission said that one of the main reasons America was attacked was because of our continuous presence and influence in the Middle East. In other words....we leave them alone and stay out of their playground, they leave us alone and stay out of their playground. I support the war in Iraq and destroying OBL.

2. I think we agree here, Isreal is a big boy, it can take care of itself.

3. I understand ups and downs, however there are better ways about stimulating the economy. What I believe we have had is a false impression of Economic Growth. The Dollar is weaker, the housing market is in the dumps, and the other points I made show that the economy just isn't as good as it should be in a growing economy. This doesn't mean that I won't or haven't taken advantage of the growth, I have, I just feel that it could have been much better with better fiscal and foriegn policy.

4. I agree that many government organizations are unneccassary. But, if you are going to have one that is designed for Emergencies, it should work, plain and simple. I agree that Bush is not completely to blame, and the people of New Orleans needs to help themselves as well, but that is another argument.

5. I am not completely schooled on the Kyoto Protocol, so I can't give an informed decision, but I can say that the government and private companies are not making the progress that they should be as far as going green. The government should be blowing every dollar we spend in Iraq on developing clean energy technologies and helping the private sector get their.

I am quite certain that Bush is going to end up being regarded as the worst President in American history, or at least until someone worse comes along.

Bush has no respect for the law and continually asserts a right to ignore portions of it that he disagrees with. He has eliminated rights that have been acknowledged since the Magna Carta, such as Habeas Corpus, trial by an impartial jury of peers, access to lawyers and confidentiality of counsel, access by a defendant to evidence and accusations against him. The policies his administration has adopted regarding treatment of prisoners of war (i.e., torture) has disgraced the nation and alienated the US from much of the rest of the world.

He has started and essentially lost two wars, Afghanistan and Iraq, and you know in your heart that any "victory" he achieves there will be in name only. After all, he only seems to be able to kill civilians in large numbers; there's little evidence that he is able to combat terrorists or cause their numbers to dwindle. Quite the opposite, in fact.

Bush has also managed to keep up a running deficit amounting to something like $400 billion dollars a year during his entire term. There has never been a more profligate president than Bush.

But even though Bush will doubtless be remembered as the worst president ever, good will come of his presidency. By undermining the trust of the American public in the Federal government's ability to manage domestic and foreign affairs, and by creating and accelerating debt that will hasten the eventual bankruptcy of the Federal government, he will help to bring about an end to Federal tyranny and hopefully its destruction. And with that, we will have a very good opportunity to reestablish freedom and liberty as the foundations of our society.