Another Black Kid Bites the Dust in a White Suburb.

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#101 m25105
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[QUOTE="m25105"]

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] self projection? or did you have an actual argument? surrealnumber5

My argument is this, the old fart shot him just cause they were new and despite the police proved that the kid had nothing to do with him shot him any way, so it was a young life wasted. The old man needs to die or at the very least put behind bars for life for ending the life of a child. Just pissed off at the usual "Let me post something cool and rude so my e-meter rises lol" crowd here.

well, the second you called him "the old fart" i cant take you seriously, your basis is marginalizing one party and putting the other on a pedestal. you are committing the same wrong you are attempting to demonize.

I'm not going to refer to that murdering old man in a respectful tone.
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#102 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="m25105"]

My argument is this, the old fart shot him just cause they were new and despite the police proved that the kid had nothing to do with him shot him any way, so it was a young life wasted. The old man needs to die or at the very least put behind bars for life for ending the life of a child. Just pissed off at the usual "Let me post something cool and rude so my e-meter rises lol" crowd here.

m25105
well, the second you called him "the old fart" i cant take you seriously, your basis is marginalizing one party and putting the other on a pedestal. you are committing the same wrong you are attempting to demonize.

I'm not going to refer to that murdering old man in a respectful tone.

Awesome that you have all the evidence to make any conclusions whatsoever about what happened. I wasn't there. I don't know. I'll let the courts sort it.
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#103 m25105
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Because being gunned down in front of your own mother isn't evidence.
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#104 LJS9502_basic
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Because being gunned down in front of your own mother isn't evidence.m25105
That's one side of a story. Best to get all the facts before making up one's mind. That's the intelligent thing to do. I understand if knee jerk reaction is how you operate.
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#105 deactivated-5f9e3c6a83e51
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Dont call him old fart. call him the old codger. That's more respectful.

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#106 deactivated-5f9e3c6a83e51
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To be serious for a change, if you shoot an unarmed person dead, the burden of proof is on you.

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#107 LJS9502_basic
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To be serious for a change, if you shoot an unarmed person dead, the burden of proof is on you.

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The burden of proof is actually on the prosecution......
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#109 surrealnumber5
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either way it is a matter for the courts, those things designed to halt mob justice, much like those calls seen ITT
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#110 lamprey263
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[QUOTE="sonicare"]

To be serious for a change, if you shoot an unarmed person dead, the burden of proof is on you.

LJS9502_basic
The burden of proof is actually on the prosecution......

it is being reported he admitted to the arresting officer that he shot the kid
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#111 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="sonicare"]

To be serious for a change, if you shoot an unarmed person dead, the burden of proof is on you.

lamprey263
The burden of proof is actually on the prosecution......

it is being reported he admitted to the arresting officer that he shot the kid

Yeah and? That doesn't change how the courts work.......
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#112 lamprey263
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="lamprey263"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] The burden of proof is actually on the prosecution......

it is being reported he admitted to the arresting officer that he shot the kid

Yeah and? That doesn't change how the courts work.......

I think you're trying way too hard to defend this guy, it's kind of disturbing.
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#113 ZombieKiller7
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Would this make the news if it was an old black guy shooting a black kid?

Would this make the news if it was an old white guy shooting a white kid?

These things happen every day, thousands of murders are committed every year, everything from old white guys to old black guys, men, women, latinos, jews, young, old, you name it.

Then some douchebag from England says "When will America learn."

I don't need to learn schit, at least not from you.

When will YOU learn that just because someone shot somebody else, it doesn't have to mean schit vis-a-vis race.

Racism in America will end the day when crime can happen without saying "oh you people did this to us."

The "you people" and "us" is the racism.

There is no "you people."

We are us. And we need to quit being evil to each other.

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#114 cain006
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="lamprey263"] it is being reported he admitted to the arresting officer that he shot the kidlamprey263
Yeah and? That doesn't change how the courts work.......

I think you're trying way too hard to defend this guy, it's kind of disturbing.

It's just the truth. You know, innocent until proven guilty, all that stuff that this country was founded on.

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#115 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="lamprey263"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="lamprey263"] it is being reported he admitted to the arresting officer that he shot the kid

Yeah and? That doesn't change how the courts work.......

I think you're trying way too hard to defend this guy, it's kind of disturbing.

I'm not defending anyone. I don't know happened. And I don't care. That's a problem for the courts. But stating that the defendant has the burden of proof is ridiculous is not how our justice system operates. Sad that you can't follow that simple concept.
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#116 kingkong0124
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Would this make the news if it was an old black guy shooting a black kid?

Would this make the news if it was an old white guy shooting a white kid?

These things happen every day, thousands of murders are committed every year, everything from old white guys to old black guys, men, women, latinos, jews, young, old, you name it.

Then some douchebag from England says "When will America learn."

I don't need to learn schit, at least not from you.

When will YOU learn that just because someone shot somebody else, it doesn't have to mean schit vis-a-vis race.

Racism in America will end the day when crime can happen without saying "oh you people did this to us."

The "you people" and "us" is the racism.

There is no "you people."

We are us. And we need to quit being evil to each other.

ZombieKiller7
excellent post.
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#117 surrealnumber5
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Would this make the news if it was an old black guy shooting a black kid?

Would this make the news if it was an old white guy shooting a white kid?

These things happen every day, thousands of murders are committed every year, everything from old white guys to old black guys, men, women, latinos, jews, young, old, you name it.

Then some douchebag from England says "When will America learn."

I don't need to learn schit, at least not from you.

When will YOU learn that just because someone shot somebody else, it doesn't have to mean schit vis-a-vis race.

Racism in America will end the day when crime can happen without saying "oh you people did this to us."

The "you people" and "us" is the racism.

There is no "you people."

We are us. And we need to quit being evil to each other.

ZombieKiller7
dont completely agree but did enjoy, worth a quoting.
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#118 LJS9502_basic
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When will YOU learn that just because someone shot somebody else, it doesn't have to mean schit vis-a-vis race.

Racism in America will end the day when crime can happen without saying "oh you people did this to us."

The "you people" and "us" is the racism.

There is no "you people."

We are us. And we need to quit being evil to each other.

ZombieKiller7

This is true. And threads like this help promote racism.

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#120 surrealnumber5
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[QUOTE="lamprey263"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] The burden of proof is actually on the prosecution......thegerg
it is being reported he admitted to the arresting officer that he shot the kid

Then it shouldn't be too difficult for the courts to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that a crime was committed if, in fact, a crime was committed.

but what is the charge? murder, to what degree? manslaughter? vie undo stress and rash emotions? its possible. hate crime, sure, if rectalclowns like TC get their way.

even though i personally think intent means dickles, in the court system it is extremely important.

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#122 Jagged3dge
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Guess killing a black kid was on his bucket list.
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#123 LiftedHeadshot
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it only matters because he is black, right? any other race and no one would even care. damn this country and it's ass backward race policies
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#124 surrealnumber5
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Guess killing a black kid was on his bucket list.Jagged3dge
see guys, that is what a joke looks like, it gets his feelings across with a coat of humor, and without pretending to be judge jury and executioner
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#125 surrealnumber5
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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

[QUOTE="thegerg"] Then it shouldn't be too difficult for the courts to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that a crime was committed if, in fact, a crime was committed. thegerg

but what is the charge? murder, to what degree? manslaughter? vie undo stress and rash emotions? its possible. hate crime, sure, if rectalclowns like TC get their way.

even though i personally think intent means dickles, in the court system it is extremely important.

I don't know what the charge is, I'm not even sure he's been charged yet. It's not my job or role to determine what the charge is or it there will be one.

the actual questions asked were rhetorical and i dont want to get into the legal nuances between degrees of murder or under what case it might be manslaughter. i was simply attempting to point out how complecated these things can get, and why back seat judges are______ that word still cant be used here.
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#126 CHOASXIII
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[QUOTE="Jagged3dge"]Guess killing a black kid was on his bucket list.surrealnumber5
see guys, that is what a joke looks like, it gets his feelings across with a coat of humor, and without pretending to be judge jury and executioner

I can execute a 180 kick flip while doing a hand stand manual.

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#127 Jagged3dge
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[QUOTE="LiftedHeadshot"]it only matters because he is black, right? any other race and no one would even care. damn this country and it's ass backward race policies

Hey, progress right? If this was the 60s nobody would care unless the victim was white.
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#128 lowkey254
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If we reverse the situation you guys would be calling the kid a thug and screaming the the death penalty. The situation is garbage, and your reactions are as well.

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#129 bigdcstile
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Spooner's been charged... don't hijack a tragic incident, especially since this is being investigated and going to trial.
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#130 GIJames248
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Hmm.. why report on a random murder this way, especially one that is being properly prosecuted..

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#131 surrealnumber5
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Hmm.. why report on a random murder this way, especially one that is being properly prosecuted..

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because TC and people like him are the real racists. i thought that was obvious.
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#133 GIJames248
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If we reverse the situation you guys would be calling the kid a thug and screaming the the death penalty. The situation is garbage, and your reactions are as well.

lowkey254

I think people are getting fed up with the intense focus on race in crime. I am for the death penalty with due caution, and while I have not read the facts of this case, it is quite possible that they should lead to the death penalty. I just get tired with everything being about race, particularly about how supposedly racist I must be for being white, and how anything done by whites to blacks must inherently be racist (and somehow or another, a racist murder or crime is worse than 'regular' one). People can just be plain evil, and that is where I see crime and violence coming from and racism is just a minor subset of that evil, and in my experience less common than hate, greed, or lust, but racism still gets all the news time, probably because it is easier to feel superior when you see racist crime (because many people are not racist), but more difficult when you just look at the fact we are all hateful, greedy, and lustful to varying degrees. Racism, while legitimate, has become a distraction and political ploy more often than not.

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#134 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="lowkey254"]

If we reverse the situation you guys would be calling the kid a thug and screaming the the death penalty. The situation is garbage, and your reactions are as well.

GIJames248

I think people are getting fed up with the intense focus on race in crime. I am for the death penalty with due caution, and while I have not read the facts of this case, it is quite possible that they should lead to the death penalty. I just get tired with everything being about race, particularly about how supposedly racist I must be for being white, and how anything done by whites to blacks must inherently be racist (and somehow or another, a racist murder or crime is worse than 'regular' one). People can just be plain evil, and that is where I see crime and violence coming from and racism is just a minor subset of that evil, and in my experience less common than hate, greed, or lust, but racism still gets all the news time, probably because it is easier to feel superior when you see racist crime (because many people are not racist), but more difficult when you just look at the fact we are all hateful, greedy, and lustful to varying degrees. Racism, while legitimate, has become a distraction and political ploy more often than not.

Does standing for the death penalty make you better than those who murder?
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If he caught him in the act then that would be one thing, but the guy had no real reason to believe it was him.

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[QUOTE="lowkey254"]

If we reverse the situation you guys would be calling the kid a thug and screaming the the death penalty. The situation is garbage, and your reactions are as well.

GIJames248

I think people are getting fed up with the intense focus on race in crime. I am for the death penalty with due caution, and while I have not read the facts of this case, it is quite possible that they should lead to the death penalty. I just get tired with everything being about race, particularly about how supposedly racist I must be for being white, and how anything done by whites to blacks must inherently be racist (and somehow or another, a racist murder or crime is worse than 'regular' one). People can just be plain evil, and that is where I see crime and violence coming from and racism is just a minor subset of that evil, and in my experience less common than hate, greed, or lust, but racism still gets all the news time, probably because it is easier to feel superior when you see racist crime (because many people are not racist), but more difficult when you just look at the fact we are all hateful, greedy, and lustful to varying degrees. Racism, while legitimate, has become a distraction and political ploy more often than not.

i blame that temperament on upbringing not on human nature, we as people have inherent drive not to kill other humans, crazy aint it, a species that has come to control the planet has not evolved to be self destructive. even histories monsters (like the Nazis ) had to contrive inpersonal killing devices because the troops stopped shooting jews. there are "broken" people in this world but they are such a minority in this world, its ludicrous to project their actions onto one percent let alone the entire population.

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#137 GIJames248
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[QUOTE="GIJames248"]

[QUOTE="lowkey254"]

If we reverse the situation you guys would be calling the kid a thug and screaming the the death penalty. The situation is garbage, and your reactions are as well.

surrealnumber5

I think people are getting fed up with the intense focus on race in crime. I am for the death penalty with due caution, and while I have not read the facts of this case, it is quite possible that they should lead to the death penalty. I just get tired with everything being about race, particularly about how supposedly racist I must be for being white, and how anything done by whites to blacks must inherently be racist (and somehow or another, a racist murder or crime is worse than 'regular' one). People can just be plain evil, and that is where I see crime and violence coming from and racism is just a minor subset of that evil, and in my experience less common than hate, greed, or lust, but racism still gets all the news time, probably because it is easier to feel superior when you see racist crime (because many people are not racist), but more difficult when you just look at the fact we are all hateful, greedy, and lustful to varying degrees. Racism, while legitimate, has become a distraction and political ploy more often than not.

i blame that temperament on upbringing not on human nature, we as people have inherent drive not to kill other humans, crazy aint it, a species that has come to control the planet has not evolved to be self destructive. even histories monsters (like the Nazis ) had to contrive inpersonal killing devices because the troops stopped shooting jews. there are "broken" people in this world but they are such a minority in this world, its ludicrous to project their actions onto one percent let alone the entire population.

Obviously not everyone is out there pillaging, raping, and killing, but I think the kernel to all those actions is universal, even if the vast majority of people deny those urges or only indulge them in small ways. To clarify, I think we are all in the same boat in terms of usual source of evil, but not at all in the degree to which it takes hold of us, and the degree to which we are evil is open to influence from all sorts of things (upbringing, psychosis, etc.)

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#138 GIJames248
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[QUOTE="GIJames248"]

[QUOTE="lowkey254"]

If we reverse the situation you guys would be calling the kid a thug and screaming the the death penalty. The situation is garbage, and your reactions are as well.

LJS9502_basic

I think people are getting fed up with the intense focus on race in crime. I am for the death penalty with due caution, and while I have not read the facts of this case, it is quite possible that they should lead to the death penalty. I just get tired with everything being about race, particularly about how supposedly racist I must be for being white, and how anything done by whites to blacks must inherently be racist (and somehow or another, a racist murder or crime is worse than 'regular' one). People can just be plain evil, and that is where I see crime and violence coming from and racism is just a minor subset of that evil, and in my experience less common than hate, greed, or lust, but racism still gets all the news time, probably because it is easier to feel superior when you see racist crime (because many people are not racist), but more difficult when you just look at the fact we are all hateful, greedy, and lustful to varying degrees. Racism, while legitimate, has become a distraction and political ploy more often than not.

Does standing for the death penalty make you better than those who murder?

Yes, but more do to the evil of murdering someone and less from goodness of supporting death as a means of punishment and justice.

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#140 thebest31406
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Can someone explain to me what a race baiter is. That is, what does it mean in the context of creating this topic?
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#141 Vader993
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I can't believe that kid is 13 years old. He looks 20.
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#142 buccomatic
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spooner kicks ass!

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#143 GeoffZak
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Why are people so concerned with race?

One step to eliminating racism is to not talk about it.

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#144 GOGOGOGURT
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I'm sure that blacks kill as many whites as whites kill blacks.

And none of these make headlines. Terrible things happen all the time, but when a black kid gets killed...

It seems now that the roles have switched. More Blacks are rascist against whites than Visa versa.

Just think about that the next time you get all worked up about the treyvon martin case.

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#145 thebest31406
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Why are people so concerned with race?

One step to eliminating racism is to not talk about it.

GeoffZak

Why are people so concerned with race?

One step to eliminating racism is to not talk about it.

GeoffZak
How do you figure? We as a society talk about all kinds of issues that concern us; war, misogyny, environmental issues, unemployment, etc. If we stop talking about these issues, do they just go away?
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#146 T_REX305
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He doesn't look like a 13 year old to me.

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#147 CHOASXIII
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He doesn't look like a 13 year old to me.

T_REX305

Bout time you started posting again. :P

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#148 Ace6301
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I don't really care about the race part of this but the whole shooting a 13 year old in front of his mom because you thought he was stealing things (apparently the police investigated and didn't find evidence that this was true either) is pretty goddamn f*cked up.
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#149 surrealnumber5
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I don't really care about the race part of this but the whole shooting a 13 year old in front of his mom because you thought he was stealing things (apparently the police investigated and didn't find evidence that this was true either) is pretty goddamn f*cked up. Ace6301
and that is all that should be examined, this race baiting is just getting sick. murder is murder is murder, and we are not on the jury, so that is not our call, but if it turns out that way in the end, then it is murder, it is not extra bad because their skin did not match. .
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#150 thebest31406
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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="Ace6301"] and that is all that should be examined, this race baiting is just getting sick. murder is murder is murder, and we are not on the jury, so that is not our call, but if it turns out that way in the end, then it is murder, it is not extra bad because their skin did not match. .

[QUOTE="Ace6301"]I don't really care about the race part of this but the whole shooting a 13 year old in front of his mom because you thought he was stealing things (apparently the police investigated and didn't find evidence that this was true either) is pretty goddamn f*cked up. surrealnumber5
and that is all that should be examined, this race baiting is just getting sick. murder is murder is murder, and we are not on the jury, so that is not our call, but if it turns out that way in the end, then it is murder, it is not extra bad because their skin did not match. .

Still haven't told me what race baiting was. And where not a jury and this isn't a court of law, we're just having a conversation. We read and hear murder stories all the time, are we not allowed to talk about them?