Another question for religous people

Since the god of all the major religions is all powerful and all knowing, why doesn't that god force you to do what he wants you to do? Force you to obey his laws? Why does he give you a choice to disobey?

And if your answer is free will, then why do you try to force others to obey his laws when he doesn't?

Are you just trolling or are you actually serious? I honestly swear to God cannot tell.

Since the god of all the major religions is all powerful and all knowing, why doesn't that god force you to do what he wants you to do? Force you to obey his laws? Why does he give you a choice to disobey?

And if your answer is free will, then why do you try to force others to obey his laws when he doesn't?

sonicare

Just what we need another religion threadEmpCom

Since the god of all the major religions is all powerful and all knowing, why doesn't that god force you to do what he wants you to do? Force you to obey his laws? Why does he give you a choice to disobey?

And if your answer is free will, then why do you try to force others to obey his laws when he doesn't?

sonicare

Since the god of all the major religions is all powerful and all knowing, why doesn't that god force you to do what he wants you to do? Force you to obey his laws? Why does he give you a choice to disobey?

And if your answer is free will, then why do you try to force others to obey his laws when he doesn't?

sonicare

[QUOTE="JoGoSo"][QUOTE="sonicare"]

Since the god of all the major religions is all powerful and all knowing, why doesn't that god force you to do what he wants you to do? Force you to obey his laws? Why does he give you a choice to disobey?

And if your answer is free will, then why do you try to force others to obey his laws when he doesn't?

InEMplease

What dafuq; why dafuq?

[QUOTE="sonicare"]

Since the god of all the major religions is all powerful and all knowing, why doesn't that god force you to do what he wants you to do? Force you to obey his laws? Why does he give you a choice to disobey?

And if your answer is free will, then why do you try to force others to obey his laws when he doesn't?

JoGoSo

Ugh, the plan, the absolute worst concept in all of theology. If god has a plan then that plan also includes people going to hell, but if he is benevolent then why did he make a plan that sends people to hell? And if he has a plan then why try to change anything or ever ask god for anything, as he already has his plan? And if all of existence is planned by god, then how can free will exist? And don't just say because or try to sidestep the question, tell me how if everything is planned we can have free will?

[QUOTE="JoGoSo"][QUOTE="InEMplease"]

InEMplease

I mean you fell into the trap.

[QUOTE="JoGoSo"][QUOTE="sonicare"]

Since the god of all the major religions is all powerful and all knowing, why doesn't that god force you to do what he wants you to do? Force you to obey his laws? Why does he give you a choice to disobey?

And if your answer is free will, then why do you try to force others to obey his laws when he doesn't?

theone86

Ugh, the plan, the absolute worst concept in all of theology. If god has a plan then that plan also includes people going to hell, but if he is benevolent then why did he make a plan that sends people to hell? And if he has a plan then why try to change anything or ever ask god for anything, as he already has his plan? And if all of existence is planned by god, then how can free will exist? And don't just say because or try to sidestep the question, tell me how if everything is planned we can have free will?

"Plan" is supposed to mean that he has things that are in wait, it doesn't mean that we don't have free will.

God.Mike-uk

[QUOTE="JoGoSo"][QUOTE="sonicare"]

Since the god of all the major religions is all powerful and all knowing, why doesn't that god force you to do what he wants you to do? Force you to obey his laws? Why does he give you a choice to disobey?

And if your answer is free will, then why do you try to force others to obey his laws when he doesn't?

theone86

Ugh, the plan, the absolute worst concept in all of theology. If god has a plan then that plan also includes people going to hell, but if he is benevolent then why did he make a plan that sends people to hell? And if he has a plan then why try to change anything or ever ask god for anything, as he already has his plan? And if all of existence is planned by god, then how can free will exist? And don't just say because or try to sidestep the question, tell me how if everything is planned we can have free will?

The punishment, Scripturally, is always death and death is fair. In fact, for non-worshippers, it's already expected. That should cut down on the whining. substantially.

Also, the plan includes free will. In fact, that is the ultimate plan for mankind.

[QUOTE="JoGoSo"][QUOTE="InEMplease"]

I mean you fell into the trap.

InEMplease

Sure.

[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="JoGoSo"]Why would he need to? It's not like it's hurting him for us to screw up. Free will is clearly a prevailing theme of Scripture. The point is there are always enough people that recognize God's sovereignty to make life worth it. To be clear, being robots is not a part of the plan. Free will allows us to choose whether to live to worship God or die to do what we want. champion837

Ugh, the plan, the absolute worst concept in all of theology. If god has a plan then that plan also includes people going to hell, but if he is benevolent then why did he make a plan that sends people to hell? And if he has a plan then why try to change anything or ever ask god for anything, as he already has his plan? And if all of existence is planned by god, then how can free will exist? And don't just say because or try to sidestep the question, tell me how if everything is planned we can have free will?

But not only does he knows what lies in wait, he put those things in wait, and he knows how we'll react, and he put everything in place that will cause us to react the way we will, so tell me again where free choice comes in WITHOUT sidestepping the question.

Why not?

[QUOTE="champion837"][QUOTE="theone86"]

Ugh, the plan, the absolute worst concept in all of theology. If god has a plan then that plan also includes people going to hell, but if he is benevolent then why did he make a plan that sends people to hell? And if he has a plan then why try to change anything or ever ask god for anything, as he already has his plan? And if all of existence is planned by god, then how can free will exist? And don't just say because or try to sidestep the question, tell me how if everything is planned we can have free will?

theone86

But not only does he knows what lies in wait, he put those things in wait, and he knows how we'll react, and he put everything in place that will cause us to react the way we will, so tell me again where free choice comes in WITHOUT sidestepping the question.

[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="champion837"] "Plan" is supposed to mean that he has things that are in wait, it has nothing to do with our free will.champion837

But not only does he knows what lies in wait, he put those things in wait, and he knows how we'll react, and he put everything in place that will cause us to react the way we will, so tell me again where free choice comes in WITHOUT sidestepping the question.

But he planned for them to be evil/disobedient in the first place, so how can they be free to be evil/disobedient if he planned for them to be evil/disobedient?

[QUOTE="norm41x"]

Why not?

InEMplease

Because they damn their "friends" to Hell, etc. when we ask them to think for themselves.

[QUOTE="champion837"][QUOTE="theone86"]

Ugh, the plan, the absolute worst concept in all of theology. If god has a plan then that plan also includes people going to hell, but if he is benevolent then why did he make a plan that sends people to hell? And if he has a plan then why try to change anything or ever ask god for anything, as he already has his plan? And if all of existence is planned by god, then how can free will exist? And don't just say because or try to sidestep the question, tell me how if everything is planned we can have free will?

theone86

But not only does he knows what lies in wait, he put those things in wait, and he knows how we'll react, and he put everything in place that will cause us to react the way we will, so tell me again where free choice comes in WITHOUT sidestepping the question.

Since the god of all the major religions is all powerful and all knowing, why doesn't that god force you to do what he wants you to do? Force you to obey his laws? Why does he give you a choice to disobey?

And if your answer is free will, then why do you try to force others to obey his laws when he doesn't?

sonicare

[QUOTE="InEMplease"]

[QUOTE="norm41x"]

Why not?

norm41x

Because they damn their "friends" to Hell, etc. when we ask them to think for themselves.

[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="champion837"] "Plan" is supposed to mean that he has things that are in wait, it has nothing to do with our free will.JoGoSo

But not only does he knows what lies in wait, he put those things in wait, and he knows how we'll react, and he put everything in place that will cause us to react the way we will, so tell me again where free choice comes in WITHOUT sidestepping the question.

What doesn't god know? He's omniscient. And not only does he know what our decisions are going to be, but he put everything in place that led not only to us making those decisions but that led to us as well, so again, where is there room for free will?

[QUOTE="JoGoSo"][QUOTE="theone86"]

But not only does he knows what lies in wait, he put those things in wait, and he knows how we'll react, and he put everything in place that will cause us to react the way we will, so tell me again where free choice comes in WITHOUT sidestepping the question.

InEMplease

Omniscient- All knowing

Omnipotent- All powerful

As for the caring part: Omnibelevolent - All good.

[QUOTE="JoGoSo"][QUOTE="norm41x"] I don't :<

InEMplease

That right there is a logical fallacy. Your turn.

That should make them feel pretty elite and in a special club.

I do hope that I'm wrong about atheist hating us though. But then that would make their argument against religion even more stupid.

[QUOTE="JoGoSo"][QUOTE="InEMplease"]

Omniscient- All knowing

Omnipotent- All powerful

As for the caring part: Omnibelevolent - All good.

InEMplease

Actually, I am stating your God can control everything. It is you without explanation.

[QUOTE="Mike-uk"] God.Fightingfan

You do realize that not all of the major religons have a god, correct?

My main point, is why do people try to enforce "their god's will" on others, when their god, himself, does not do that. Shouldn't they follow his example?

[QUOTE="sonicare"]

Since the god of all the major religions is all powerful and all knowing, why doesn't that god force you to do what he wants you to do? Force you to obey his laws? Why does he give you a choice to disobey?

And if your answer is free will, then why do you try to force others to obey his laws when he doesn't?

whipassmt

[QUOTE="sonicare"]

Since the god of all the major religions is all powerful and all knowing, why doesn't that god force you to do what he wants you to do? Force you to obey his laws? Why does he give you a choice to disobey?

And if your answer is free will, then why do you try to force others to obey his laws when he doesn't?

[QUOTE="whipassmt"]

[QUOTE="sonicare"]

Since the god of all the major religions is all powerful and all knowing, why doesn't that god force you to do what he wants you to do? Force you to obey his laws? Why does he give you a choice to disobey?

And if your answer is free will, then why do you try to force others to obey his laws when he doesn't?

sonicare

They're not forcing their religion on others, by not adhering to their religious standards others are forcing their not-their-religion on them.

He made you ask that question and you simply aren't aware of His presence residing within you.

As a religous man, I just try to lead a life that doesn't make life difficult for anyone. I'm what you call a passive Christian. I believe what I want to believe and let others do the same.