ANOTHER theater shooting in the gun country...

As expected, he was labeled "mentally ill." You can be bipolar ect and not be dangerous. Is calling someone "mentally ill" just the America's way of dismissing everyone that disagrees with them? What was this guy's relationship with his family like years ago? Was there some traumatic event he experienced? But of course no one will adress those questions because it's much better to create more stigma in the mental health community. It's much better to make white males villains than to see them as people with struggles who have been backed into a corner and lost all reason. It's much better to blame guns for people losing their lives rather than holding society as a whole culpable for creating it's own monster. I'm not saying what he did was right, but that doesn't mean society isn't wrong.

Ah no. Again as I stated there is a difference between a legal gun owner and a legal gun. Learn the difference or stop responding.

Why you just singling out the fact i said "love of guns" that is not the only factor i pointed out in that post.

I'm not saying give up your precious guns but at least acknowledge a problem when its being slapped in your face every other week.

Also Americans that own guns love their guns man, dont talk shit about it has nothing to do with the love of guns, gun owners in US are very passionate about their guns and yes you're correct, they are passionate about their right to own guns, but don't act like Americas love of guns is not part of the equation.

If it isn't a crazy sonava' bitch shooting up innocent people, it's a Police officer...... Sometimes I'm glad I don't live in America, sometimes.

Is Japan your role model? No gun-related crime and death. People just kill themselves with its high suicide rate.

Ok you dont love your guns, do you speak for a majority of American gun owners or just yourself?

Good so dont tell me to cut the bullshit, you dont love your guns good for you, there are Americans that do love their guns just like someone loves their car or games console etc.

You are correct i made a blanket statement i apologize. Calm down.

I wouldnt say "horribly" flawed, but whatever makes you feel like even more of a winner...

Irrelevant. You're attempting to cloud the issue, as all pro-gun loons do. The fact remains that more than 75% of mass shootings since the 80s have been by people who obtained guns legally. If the guns were obtained legally, the guns are legal to own, hence the guns are legal. OK, now it's you're turn to respond with some nonsense where you play with words...

Wrong wrong wrong. My initial statement was about the difference. You stuck your nose in to argue....poorly I might add as you NEVER once addressed what I actually said. You are terrible at discussions.

And no 75% of those people did not legally purchase a gun. Even your examples were faulty.

They're not my "examples". It was a compilation of crime data, compiled by others which clearly demonstrated that 75% of mass shootings we done by people who obtained the guns legally. Don't like it? Take it up with the people who did the shootings.

Denying fact and trying to misdirect the conversation will not work on me, and I am not one bit interested in addressing your misdirections with any modicum of seriousness. "There's a difference between a legal gun owner and a legal gun blah blah blah." Well, no shit, Sherlock. It's also completely irrelevant.

or i can continue rubbing everyone's nose in their own shallow self serving hypocrisy.

the violence will be down, if there was no gun in the world.

His history screams sociopath.

Sounds healthy and productive

Homophobic: ☑

Anti Semetic: ☑

Advocates violence of pro choice supporters: ☑

Sexist: ☑

Arsonist: ☑

Domestic abuser: ☑

Affiliation with hate groups: ☑

Racist: ☑

Internet conservatroll: ☑

Bipolar & manic depressive: ☑

Intense evangelical Christian supporting Westboro: ☑

story checks out

sounds like a typical teabagger. another shining example of the best and brightest the Republican party has to offer...

That's not what your link said.

Exactly.

I'm not a fan of the "guns don't kill people" argument.

Let's see, how would Antonin Scalia describe your attempt to obfuscate the issue and mince words..... argle bargle. Are you that upset that more than 3/4 of mass shooters acquired their guns legally? No amount of wordplay changes this fact. lol.

@chaoscougar1: you are right maybe some i can lighten it up a bit.

i know how you guys love pie charts and graphs so.

(number of motherfuckers that use hours old tragedy to advance their cause that don't like being called out for being a shitty person that uses hours old tragedy to advance their cause)

What we have here, folks is a very nice example of personal bias on an issue causing someone to see what is not actually there. Here is what is written:

Since 1982, there have been at least 62 mass shootings* across the country, with the killings unfolding in 30 states from Massachusetts to Hawaii. Twenty-five of these mass shootings have occurred since 2006, and seven of them took place in 2012. We’ve gathered detailed data on the cases and mapped them below, including information on the shooters’ identities, the types of weapons they used, and the number of victims they injured and killed.

Weapons: Of the 143 guns possessed by the killers, more than three quarters were obtained legally. The arsenal included dozens of assault weapons and semi-automatic handguns with high-capacity magazines. (See charts below.) Just as Jeffrey Weise used a .40-caliber Glock to slaughter students in Red Lake, Minnesota, in 2005, so too did James Holmes, along with an AR-15 assault rifle, when blasting away at his victims in a darkened movie theater. In Newtown, Connecticut, Adam Lanza wielded a .223 Bushmaster semi-automatic assault rifle as he massacred 20 school children and six adults.

The second article is describing weapons used, not weapons that were ALL legally obtained, hence the title of the article........................WEAPONS. Hell, the first sentence even claims that olny 3/4 of them were legal, not specifying which were and were not.

@Riverwolf007 said:

@chaoscougar1: you are right maybe some i can lighten it up a bit.

i know how you guys love pie charts and graphs so.

(number of motherfuckers that use hours old tragedy to advance their cause that don't like being called out for being a shitty person that uses hours old tragedy to advance their cause)

lol
Good start

I found this interesting. There have been 204 mass shootings in the US this year so far as of yesterday which was the 204th day this year. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/07/24/11-essential-facts-about-guns-and-mass-shootings-in-america/

But but "It's the mental services that need to improve, not gun control" ... ugh

The boys mother bought the guns for him, that's been clearly established for years

The author of that piece is not claiming anything about the legality of that weapon. Read the article.

All the stats show that guns increase collateral. So yeah, places with a lot more guns are a lot more dangerous.

Wasn't referring to the article, just the assertion that Adam Lanza stole his guns that his mother had bought.

If you buy a 10 year old an ATV, then technically that ATV is yours, even if it was a gift for the 10 year old.

If the 10 year old get's seriously injured in an ATV accident, are you going to say the child stole the ATV?

@Nuck81: there was no such assertion made. You didn't read.

And I'm going to ask again for your proof that the 75% of school shootings were done by legal gun owners.

So since he's white, he falls into the "mentally ill" department which means he gets a pass"

Good thing the theater was a gun free zone. Good thing murder is illegal.

And all of those killings were illegal. Yet somehow you gun control mouthbreathers think stacking more laws criminals are willing to break, on top of murder mind you, are going to do something other than handcuff law abiding citizens. Have an ounce of fucking logic for once. More guns laws will only affect people like me, and I am not about to go shoot up a fucking movie theater. I won't even take my gun in there for my defense....it is a gun free zone. The killers don't seem to care, imainge that.

Good thing the theater was a gun free zone. Good thing murder is illegal.

I agree with OP, this shit needs to stop.....

@chaoscougar1 said:

@davillain- said:

To be fair, anywhere in the world can happen in a split seconds. And next time OP, don't assume guns kill people. People kill people, simple as that.

Yes

In America and Chile

Three gun related murders per 100,000 people. THREE.

So can we stop freaking out? Even if that murder rate is higher than for the rest of "the developed world", it's still so low that your chances of getting murdered by gun are EXTREMELY fucking low.

That's not to say that the USA doesn't have a problem with gun related crime, I'm saying that it's just stupid to promote this kind of hyperbole about the USA being like the gun totin' wild west where anyone stands a good chance of getting shot to death at any time. Gun related murders are rare even in the USA.

@MrGeezer said:

@chaoscougar1 said:

@davillain- said:

To be fair, anywhere in the world can happen in a split seconds. And next time OP, don't assume guns kill people. People kill people, simple as that.

Yes

In America and Chile

Three gun related murders per 100,000 people. THREE.

So can we stop freaking out? Even if that murder rate is higher than for the rest of "the developed world", it's still so low that your chances of getting murdered by gun are EXTREMELY fucking low.

That's not to say that the USA doesn't have a problem with gun related crime, I'm saying that it's just stupid to promote this kind of hyperbole about the USA being like the gun totin' wild west where anyone stands a good chance of getting shot to death at any time. Gun related murders are rare even in the USA.

lol
You know you're fucked when you're about 6x more likely to be shot in the US than the rest of the developed world
But still think its OK cause "its only 3"
How many mass shootings is it gonna take or what does the firearm homicide rate have to be before it becomes not OK?
Like when will it reach a point and you all go
Hm
Maybe we do need to change something
Rather than constant arguing and bickering from both sides
Nothing actually being accomplished
Then another incident happens and we start the debate again

No, I'm actually NOT fucked. Do you know why? Because for every 100,000 people in the country where i live, only THREE are gonna get shot to death. So yeah, I'm pretty sure that I'm NOT fucked. Saying that my chances of getting murdered by gun are 6x higher than the rest of the developed world doesn't change the fact that it's still EXTREMELY unlikely for me to ever be involved in a gun related murder.

Hell, I also live on the coast of Florida. My chances of getting killed by a shark are probably at least 6x that of someone who lives in Kansas. Still doesn't mean that I'm fucked by sharks, because shark attacks are rare even for someone who lives on the Florida coast, and my chances of getting fucked-by-shark are EXTREMELY low.

So thanks for the concern, but I'm pretty sure that I'm not fucked. Statistically it is EXTREMELY unlikely that I will ever get shot, let alone get shot to death.

Also, something HAS been accomplished. Namely, getting the gum homicide rate DOWN to that level. You do realize that the violent crime rate in the USA has actually been going DOWN for a while, right? In your mind, does lowering the rate of violent crime amount to "accomplishing nothing"?

No kidding. If the hyperbole was true, I'd be dead (from gunfire) by now or one of my relatives would be.

@plageus900 said:

I agree with OP, this shit needs to stop.....

Funny how a majority of mass shootings are comitted by "mentally ill" white guys.

And gang bangers most of the time only shoot other gang bangers. Just saying.

@chaoscougar1 said:

@MrGeezer said:

@chaoscougar1 said:

@davillain- said:

To be fair, anywhere in the world can happen in a split seconds. And next time OP, don't assume guns kill people. People kill people, simple as that.

Yes

In America and Chile

Three gun related murders per 100,000 people. THREE.

So can we stop freaking out? Even if that murder rate is higher than for the rest of "the developed world", it's still so low that your chances of getting murdered by gun are EXTREMELY fucking low.

That's not to say that the USA doesn't have a problem with gun related crime, I'm saying that it's just stupid to promote this kind of hyperbole about the USA being like the gun totin' wild west where anyone stands a good chance of getting shot to death at any time. Gun related murders are rare even in the USA.

lol

You know you're fucked when you're about 6x more likely to be shot in the US than the rest of the developed world

But still think its OK cause "its only 3"

How many mass shootings is it gonna take or what does the firearm homicide rate have to be before it becomes not OK?

Like when will it reach a point and you all go

Hm

Maybe we do need to change something

Rather than constant arguing and bickering from both sides

Nothing actually being accomplished

Then another incident happens and we start the debate again

Dude you can't even get these guys to admit there is an issue let alone talk about changing things for the better.

@ariabed: Yes but murder is murder, whether its gang related or not. This country has a problem with gun violence, it doesnt matter who the target is.

@plageus900: you are the one single out a specific group.

It does matter who the target is! I wont cry over some gang bangers getting shot by other gang bangers, but i will cry over innocent children or civillians being shot.

Gun violence isn't as high as you are made to believe by OT threads.....