On a somewhat unrelated note, agnostics sometimes state that god is to complex for us to understand. Though I bet atheist could argue that our universe started on it's own and that concept is too difficult for use to understand and god was not involved.
Who or what created the Higgs Boson if you beleive in that?
ferrari_102
Not god if thats where you are going with this, I mean just because something cant be explained fully doesnt mean you have to come up with some unrealistic, unproven being.
[QUOTE="DrSponge"] I read that the particle would help explain the origin of mass in the universe; I still don't see why a creator has to be involved in this particle...DrSponge
The origin of mass ----> creator of mass ----> creator of everything -------> God.
Whatever created mass could be called God. That's what's so huge with this LHC deal and antimatter and all the rest of that mumbo jumbo.
So this particle can be seen as a God? I think that's an interesting idea. You heard it here first! OT confirms that God is a particle!
What if nothing created nothing (well, everything, actually)?
Creation implies intent, which implies a being of some sort.
What if things (the universe) just came about on its own?
Nothing created the whatever-you-called-it.
But it came into being on its own.
No implication of God.
No reason to.
Good night.
DigitalExile
Maybe (I'm saying this in a very simplified form) it is easier for the universe to exist than for it to not exist. So it would fall into the state of existing
You know, mentioning specific particles doesn't make you sound clever or add anything to your argument, such as it is. You might as well have said, "Who made that rock over there?"
[QUOTE="DrSponge"] I read that the particle would help explain the origin of mass in the universe; I still don't see why a creator has to be involved in this particle...DrSponge
The origin of mass ----> creator of mass ----> creator of everything -------> God.
Whatever created mass could be called God. That's what's so huge with this LHC deal and antimatter and all the rest of that mumbo jumbo.
So this particle can be seen as a God? I think that's an interesting idea.
Pretty much, if it has all the "creator aspects."
Of course, it's not the particle inasmuch as its qualities.
The origin of mass ----> creator of mass ----> creator of everything -------> God.
Whatever created mass could be called God. That's what's so huge with this LHC deal and antimatter and all the rest of that mumbo jumbo.
solid_mario
So this particle can be seen as a God? I think that's an interesting idea. You heard it hear first! OT confirms that God is a particle!
The idea of God being the force or particle or what-have-you that created mass/energy is as old as the concepts of mass and energy.
All this particle does is give a chance to prove it. Should it exist, there really would be no reason not to call it God; it has all the traditional divine properties of a universal creator.
Maybe (I'm saying this in a very simplified form) it is easier for the universe to exist than for it to not exist. So it would fall into the state of existingmunu9
You mean it takes less energy for the original particle to expand than for it to stay in that compact form? Sort of like a sponge. You can squeeze it up into a little ball, but it takes effort to squeeze your fist, where as it unfolds so easily...
Why should I be concerned with a hypothetical particle that may or may not exist. Even if it does exist, why can't the higgs boson be inherently ordered? Why do I gain by saying; God did it?
You know, mentioning specific particles doesn't make you sound clever or add anything to your argument, such as it is. You might as well have said, "Who made that rock over there?"
BothBarsOn
You have the same Uncharted sig as TC so at first I was like: "Wat."
.... it's all a coincidence.... it dosn't have to be created Matter and energy disappear and appear randomly however energy is always overall conserved. It's sorta like photons, they are released randomly and go everywhere and the frequency off their release defines the brightness of the light. However you can never see them appear, yopu don't see light flicker as they are randomly emitted, dim places don't look to flicker light and dark at a lower frequency than bright places they just look dimmer, the simple reason for this is you always have to look at the big picture. Over time less light is getting to dim areas and so they appear dimmer evan though the light is emited in discrete packets.
[QUOTE="solid_mario"][QUOTE="DrSponge"] So this particle can be seen as a God? I think that's an interesting idea.Theokhoth
You heard it hear first! OT confirms that God is a particle!
The idea of God being the force or particle or what-have-you that created mass/energy is as old as the concepts of mass and energy.
All this particle does is give a chance to prove it. Should it exist, there really would be no reason not to call it God; it has all the traditional divine properties of a universal creator.
except for maybe any kind of intent or smiting abilities
Who or what created the Higgs Boson if you beleive in that?
SaintLeonidas
Not god if thats where you are going with this, I mean just because something cant be explained fully doesnt mean you have to come up with some unrealistic, unproven being.
Exactly. Its called science. Humans are so primitive, and yet they think they know everything. The things they dont know, they pin to a mythical being. Gods were created by primitive people a long time ago for a variety of reasons, before their understanding of science and the ways things work. As humans get more advanced we will continue tolearn the reasons for things, as scientists do everyday...
Who or what created the Higgs Boson if you beleive in that?
Franco-J
Not god if thats where you are going with this, I mean just because something cant be explained fully doesnt mean you have to come up with some unrealistic, unproven being.
Exactly. Its called science. Humans are so primitive, and yet they think they know everything. The things they dont know, they pin to a mythical being. Gods were created by primitive people a long time ago for a variety of reasons, before their understanding of science and the ways things work. As humans get more advanced we will continue tolearn the reasons for things, as scientists do everyday...
Aren't you giving the same kind of indifference and reverance to science that you would give a god? :|
Who or what created the Higgs Boson if you beleive in that?
Franco-J
Not god if thats where you are going with this, I mean just because something cant be explained fully doesnt mean you have to come up with some unrealistic, unproven being.
Exactly. Its called science. Humans are so primitive, and yet they think they know everything. The things they dont know, they pin to a mythical being. Gods were created by primitive people a long time ago for a variety of reasons, before their understanding of science and the ways things work. As humans get more advanced we will continue tolearn the reasons for things, as scientists do everyday...
Science cannot find a "reason" for anything, ever.
[QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"] Not god if thats where you are going with this, I mean just because something cant be explained fully doesnt mean you have to come up with some unrealistic, unproven being.Theokhoth
Exactly. Its called science. Humans are so primitive, and yet they think they know everything. The things they dont know, they pin to a mythical being. Gods were created by primitive people a long time ago for a variety of reasons, before their understanding of science and the ways things work. As humans get more advanced we will continue tolearn the reasons for things, as scientists do everyday...
Science cannot find a "reason" for anything, ever.
:| Right now I'm trying to think of the best example out of hundreds to prove you wrong. How about how color is produced. Electron wavelengths and the absorption of other colors in the light spectrum lead to certain materials having different visible colors. Therefore, the "reason" we see colors is clearly proven by science.
:| Right now I'm trying to think of the best example out of hundreds to prove you wrong. How about how color is produced. Electron wavelengths and the absorption of other colors in the light spectrum lead to certain materials having different visible colors. Therefore, the "reason" we see colors is clearly proven by science. hamstergeddon
That is not the "reason" he is talking about. He is talking about a divine or transcendental "purpose."
[QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"] Not god if thats where you are going with this, I mean just because something cant be explained fully doesnt mean you have to come up with some unrealistic, unproven being.Theokhoth
Exactly. Its called science. Humans are so primitive, and yet they think they know everything. The things they dont know, they pin to a mythical being. Gods were created by primitive people a long time ago for a variety of reasons, before their understanding of science and the ways things work. As humans get more advanced we will continue tolearn the reasons for things, as scientists do everyday...
Science cannot find a "reason" for anything, ever.
Why must there be a "reason" for anything? There is no proof at all that our existence has any "reason" beyond pure coincidence. It may make some people feel better to think the opposite is true, and we are special and created by an all powerful being. But none of that is founded on truth or evidence, just speculation.
Exactly. Its called science. Humans are so primitive, and yet they think they know everything. The things they dont know, they pin to a mythical being. Gods were created by primitive people a long time ago for a variety of reasons, before their understanding of science and the ways things work. As humans get more advanced we will continue tolearn the reasons for things, as scientists do everyday...
hamstergeddon
Science cannot find a "reason" for anything, ever.
:| Right now I'm trying to think of the best example out of hundreds to prove you wrong. How about how color is produced. Electron wavelengths and the absorption of other colors in the light spectrum lead to certain materials having different visible colors. Therefore, the "reason" we see colors is clearly proven by science.
Are those reasons?
Science goes for the "what" and "how." I'm not talking about that kind of reason. :|
Exactly. Its called science. Humans are so primitive, and yet they think they know everything. The things they dont know, they pin to a mythical being. Gods were created by primitive people a long time ago for a variety of reasons, before their understanding of science and the ways things work. As humans get more advanced we will continue tolearn the reasons for things, as scientists do everyday...
Rocky32189
Science cannot find a "reason" for anything, ever.
Why must there be a "reason" for anything? There is no proof at all that our existence has any "reason" beyond pure coincidence. It may make some people feel better to think the opposite is true, and we are special and created by an all powerful being. But none of that is founded on truth or evidence, just speculation.
There is no evidence to suggest it's all coincidence, either. In fact, there's no evidence to suggest that there is such a thing as coincidence. There's cause and effect.
There is no evidence to suggest it's all coincidence, either. In fact, there's no evidence to suggest that there is such a thing as coincidence. There's cause and effect.Theokhoth
No, there is merely a strong propensity for humans to identify an effect with a cause.
[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]There is no evidence to suggest it's all coincidence, either. In fact, there's no evidence to suggest that there is such a thing as coincidence. There's cause and effect.Vandalvideo
No, there is merely a strong propensity for humans to identify an effect with a cause.
Are you saying the law of cause and effect is not true? :|
Like the bacterial flagellum, an atheist doesn't know how it works the way it works, they just guess. They think that guessing is somehow superior to belief or faith. Kind of ironic.
The observation of cause and effect isn't sufficient for the the law of cause and effect. It may be a necessary element, but we cannot, from that, infer that it is so.... I've been reading too much Hume.
[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Sufficient for what?Vandalvideo
The observation of cause and effect isn't sufficient for the the law of cause and effect. It may be a necessary element, but we cannot, from that, infer that it is so.... I've been reading too much Hume.
Like the bacterial flagellum, an atheist doesn't know how it works the way it works, they just guess. They think that guessing is somehow superior to belief or faith. Kind of ironic.
Mind_Mover
I can find Christians that know how the bacterial flagellum works. >_>
That is a pretty arrogant presupposition. How do you know science could never find it? You are even assuming one is even there to find.
Science has consistently given natural explanations of the supernatural. Before we know what caused lightning, we assumed it was an angry bearded dude in the sky tossing bolts of it down to Earth. Now we know it is a build up of static electricity in clouds that releases itself along the nearest and least resistant path towards the ground.
The abstract concept of God that exists now is so vague, there is little left besides the creation of the universe, before a time that is even measurable or knowable, for him to lord over and claim right to. The only way he exists is through faith... and once that disappears, the concept will become just more mythology like the rest of the historical religions.
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