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#101 SSBFan12
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I just Google'd it, (because I had no idea what it was) and apparantly its existence hasn't been confirmed :|DrSponge
Then it is not real.
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#102 Theokhoth
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[QUOTE="DrSponge"]I just Google'd it, (because I had no idea what it was) and apparantly its existence hasn't been confirmed :|SSBFan12
Then it is not real.

No, its existence hasn't been confirmed. There's a difference between "real" and "known to be real."

The Large Hadron Collider was made to find it, if it exists.

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#103 Patatopan
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Who knows how it came to be, but it wouldn't be wise to already assume that it was intelligently created.

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#104 joesh89
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Who or what created the Higgs Boson if you beleive in that?

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who or what created the the "thing" that created the higgs boson ?

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#105 deactivated-5a84f3399aa1c
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Higgs.
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#106 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="ferrari_102"]

Who or what created the Higgs Boson if you beleive in that?

joesh89

who or what created the the "thing" that created the higgs boson ?

Why can't the higgs boson be inherently ordered?
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#107 Bourbons3
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According to Wiki, it is "predicted to exist". So its nothing certain.
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#109 ImmoDuck
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[QUOTE="ImmoDuck"]

[QUOTE="illegalimigrant"] You are saying that if you can't prove something it must not be true. You can't prove your existence. So therefore you must not exist.bean-with-bacon

Cogito ergo sum ?

Well theoretically you are unable to compare it with non existance, therefore cannot tell if you exist or not, nor can you prove to anyone else you exist (assuming they exist :P )

Well, take it back even further to St. Augustine. His argument was that, to doubt his existence, he must in fact exist. Si fallor, sum. :) I've just been reading about Augustine/Descartes lately, lol.

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#110 194197844077667059316682358889
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[QUOTE="joesh89"]

[QUOTE="ferrari_102"]

Who or what created the Higgs Boson if you beleive in that?

Vandalvideo

who or what created the the "thing" that created the higgs boson ?

Why can't the higgs boson be inherently ordered?

Because that implodes TC's spectacularly flawed argument?
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#111 zmbi_gmr
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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="DrSponge"] I read that the particle would help explain the origin of mass in the universe; I still don't see why a creator has to be involved in this particle...DrSponge

The origin of mass ----> creator of mass ----> creator of everything -------> God.

Whatever created mass could be called God. That's what's so huge with this LHC deal and antimatter and all the rest of that mumbo jumbo.

So this particle can be seen as a God? I think that's an interesting idea.

I agree, this is very interesting. I must admit this was also my first of hearing about the Higgs Boson AKA "The God Particle"

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#112 ferrari_102
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I just Google'd it, (because I had no idea what it was) and apparantly its existence hasn't been confirmed :|DrSponge
Thats why I said "if you beleive in that" meaning IF you beleive in the Higgs Boson. And if you don't, what do you personally think this universe was made of?
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#113 Amnesiac23
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What is with religious people shoving their religion down peoples throats?
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Mr. and Mrs. Boson, on the first night of their sweaty honeymoon.
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#115 RadBooley
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[QUOTE="DrSponge"]I just Google'd it, (because I had no idea what it was) and apparantly its existence hasn't been confirmed :|ferrari_102
Thats why I said "if you beleive in that" meaning IF you beleive in the Higgs Boson. And if you don't, what do you personally think this universe was made of?

Potato salad. Lots. And lots. Of Potato Salad.

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[QUOTE="DrSponge"]I just Google'd it, (because I had no idea what it was) and apparantly its existence hasn't been confirmed :|ferrari_102
Thats why I said "if you beleive in that" meaning If you beleive in the Higgs Boson. And if you don't, what do you personally think this universe was made of?

The Higgs Boson doesn't require belief. The Higgs Boson is an explanation that takes in the available data and attempts to form that data into a hypothesis based on episitimological concepts. IF it is not found another explanation will take it's place and will be studied and tests will attempt to prove that theory as well. The Higgs Boson is not fact and no scientists is treating it as fact.

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#117 BeepBoop16
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Who or what created the Higgs Boson if you beleive in that?

ferrari_102

Gandalf the Grey.

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#118 MindFreeze
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What is with religious people shoving their religion down peoples throats?Amnesiac23
Their own insecurities with a finite life and their belief of having the 'truth'.
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#119 -_Rain_-
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I don't believe that, so I guess I don't have to answer.
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#121 -_Rain_-
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[QUOTE="Amnesiac23"]What is with religious people shoving their religion down peoples throats?MindFreeze
Their own insecurities with a finite life and their belief of having the 'truth'.

If I had the truth, I'd want people to know it. Wouldn't you? Or are you anti-knowledge?
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#122 AirGuitarist87
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[QUOTE="MindFreeze"][QUOTE="Amnesiac23"]What is with religious people shoving their religion down peoples throats?-_Rain_-
Their own insecurities with a finite life and their belief of having the 'truth'.

If I had the truth, I'd want people to know it. Wouldn't you? Or are you anti-knowledge?

Knowledgists?!? I thought we had better decency ever since Knowledge History Month. :x
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#123 RadBooley
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[QUOTE="MindFreeze"][QUOTE="Amnesiac23"]What is with religious people shoving their religion down peoples throats?-_Rain_-
Their own insecurities with a finite life and their belief of having the 'truth'.

If I had the truth, I'd want people to know it. Wouldn't you? Or are you anti-knowledge?

I'd want to share the truth too.

However, I don't have the truth to share. And neither do you.

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#124 -_Rain_-
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[QUOTE="-_Rain_-"][QUOTE="MindFreeze"] Their own insecurities with a finite life and their belief of having the 'truth'. RadBooley

If I had the truth, I'd want people to know it. Wouldn't you? Or are you anti-knowledge?

I'd want to share the truth too.

However, I don't have the truth to share. And neither do you.

Perhaps not. But if I did, or believed I did, I would want to share it, and I would want other people to share it. Because, after all, assuming that nobody has the truth simply because I do not is circular and anathema to any knowledge whatsoever; and hoarding the truth to myself is just a douche move.
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#125 MindFreeze
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[QUOTE="MindFreeze"][QUOTE="Amnesiac23"]What is with religious people shoving their religion down peoples throats?-_Rain_-
Their own insecurities with a finite life and their belief of having the 'truth'.

If I had the truth, I'd want people to know it. Wouldn't you? Or are you anti-knowledge?

The problem is, no one can possibly have the absolute truth. If you are claiming to have the truth, you are elevating yourself in rank above humans. If only man realised there is no absolute Truth...
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#126 -_Rain_-
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[QUOTE="MindFreeze"][QUOTE="-_Rain_-"][QUOTE="MindFreeze"] Their own insecurities with a finite life and their belief of having the 'truth'.

If I had the truth, I'd want people to know it. Wouldn't you? Or are you anti-knowledge?

The problem is, no one can possibly have the absolute truth.

Is that absolute statement true?
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[QUOTE="MindFreeze"][QUOTE="Amnesiac23"]What is with religious people shoving their religion down peoples throats?-_Rain_-
Their own insecurities with a finite life and their belief of having the 'truth'.

If I had the truth, I'd want people to know it. Wouldn't you? Or are you anti-knowledge?

Yep. The thing is, they (at least Christians) truly BELIEVE that you will go to Hell if you don't believe in what they do. They're not trying to be jerks. They think they are helping you. Whether or not Christianity is true I'd rather not debate.

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#128 ImmoDuck
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[QUOTE="-_Rain_-"][QUOTE="MindFreeze"] Their own insecurities with a finite life and their belief of having the 'truth'. MindFreeze
If I had the truth, I'd want people to know it. Wouldn't you? Or are you anti-knowledge?

The problem is, no one can possibly have the absolute truth. If you are claiming to have the truth, you are elevating yourself in rank above humans. If only man realised there is no absolute Truth...

Is that true?

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#129 RadBooley
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[QUOTE="RadBooley"]

[QUOTE="-_Rain_-"] If I had the truth, I'd want people to know it. Wouldn't you? Or are you anti-knowledge?-_Rain_-

I'd want to share the truth too.

However, I don't have the truth to share. And neither do you.

Perhaps not. But if I did, or believed I did, I would want to share it, and I would want other people to share it. Because, after all, assuming that nobody has the truth simply because I do not is circular and anathema to any knowledge whatsoever; and hoarding the truth to myself is just a douche move.

Everybody will percieve the truth differently. Why can't we just let people believe whatever they want to believe?

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#130 ImmoDuck
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[QUOTE="MindFreeze"][QUOTE="-_Rain_-"] If I had the truth, I'd want people to know it. Wouldn't you? Or are you anti-knowledge?-_Rain_-
The problem is, no one can possibly have the absolute truth.

Is that absolute statement true?

You beat me!

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#131 Tagerh
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Omg, I just got so many comebacks to my Athiest friends :D

Wait, the Higgs Bosom (Or whatever) was the first particle im assuming? so its apart of the particle THEORY , so the Higgs Bosom is apart of the big bang THEORY

So your guys are just as wrong as the non-athiests, as you cant really prove anything because it is a THEORY. You can correct me, but dont flame, I'm not an expert on the subject.

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#132 -_Rain_-
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[QUOTE="-_Rain_-"][QUOTE="MindFreeze"] Their own insecurities with a finite life and their belief of having the 'truth'. bigfatcrap

If I had the truth, I'd want people to know it. Wouldn't you? Or are you anti-knowledge?

Yep. The thing is, they (at least Christians) truly BELIEVE that you will go to Hell if you don't believe in what they do. They're not trying to be jerks. They think they are helping you. Whether or not Christianity is true I'd rather not debate.

And that is why I do not mind overzealous proselytizing. If I thought somebody up ahead was about to be hit by a truck, I'd have to hate them a pretty good bit to just stand there and watch.
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#133 MindFreeze
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[QUOTE="-_Rain_-"][QUOTE="MindFreeze"][QUOTE="-_Rain_-"] If I had the truth, I'd want people to know it. Wouldn't you? Or are you anti-knowledge?

The problem is, no one can possibly have the absolute truth.

Is that true?

Ugh. Don't be a smarty-pants. My statement is obviously concerning theological questions. I am not saying there aren't thruths, what I am saying is that there so no absolute Truth.
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#134 -_Rain_-
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[QUOTE="-_Rain_-"][QUOTE="RadBooley"]

I'd want to share the truth too.

However, I don't have the truth to share. And neither do you.

RadBooley

Perhaps not. But if I did, or believed I did, I would want to share it, and I would want other people to share it. Because, after all, assuming that nobody has the truth simply because I do not is circular and anathema to any knowledge whatsoever; and hoarding the truth to myself is just a douche move.

Everybody will percieve the truth differently. Why can't we just let people believe whatever they want to believe?

Because perception and truth are separate. You can believe whatever you want, but what is true will always contradict your belief unless you believe in the truth itself. Perception is both irrelevant and the whole entire point; what these people perceive is a lot of misguided and (occasionally) nice people going to Hell, and they are the ones who can potentially stop this from happening. On the other hand, if we just let people believe whatever they want to believe and nuts to you if you say anything about it, we'd be acknowledging that all beliefs are equal--including the belief that they are not, lest we be inconsistent.
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#135 ImmoDuck
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[QUOTE="-_Rain_-"][QUOTE="MindFreeze"] The problem is, no one can possibly have the absolute truth. MindFreeze
Is that true?

Ugh. Don't be a smarty-pants. My statement is obviously concerning theological questions. I am not saying there aren't thruths, what I am saying is that there so no absolute Truth.

You can't classify truths. There's no such thing as red truths, blue truths, or truths for theologists and truths for atheists. Truths are, in fact, absolute.

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#136 -_Rain_-
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[QUOTE="MindFreeze"][QUOTE="-_Rain_-"][QUOTE="MindFreeze"] The problem is, no one can possibly have the absolute truth.

Is that true?

Ugh. Don't be a smarty-pants. My statement is obviously concerning theological questions. I am not saying there aren't thruths, what I am saying is that there so no absolute Truth.

I'm not the one absolutely saying that anyone who claims to absolutely know the absolute truth is absolutely wrong because there absolutely is no absolute truth.
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#137 MindFreeze
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[QUOTE="MindFreeze"][QUOTE="-_Rain_-"] Is that true?-_Rain_-
Ugh. Don't be a smarty-pants. My statement is obviously concerning theological questions. I am not saying there aren't thruths, what I am saying is that there so no absolute Truth.

I'm not the one absolutely saying that anyone who claims absolute truth is absolutely wrong.

I have no reason to believe you aren't just doing this to annoy me. I'll just repeat what I said since you're having such a fun time and likely didn't think of anything very much; What I am saying is there is no way of having (absolute) truth of any theological statement. We can all have beliefs, but believing yours is the undeniable truth is ridiculously ludicrous. NO, that does not mean I cannot with certainty say that if I drop a ball on earth it will fall down to the center of the earth accellerating at 9.8m/s^2, that a sharp knife will cut off my finger when I screw up cutting my vegetables. These are simple truths, yet my argument is that any belief concerning theological or moral questions cannot be the Truth (capital T on purpose).

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#138 foxhound_fox
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You can't classify truths. There's no such thing as red truths, blue truths, or truths for theologists and truths for atheists. Truths are, in fact, absolute.ImmoDuck

Name some.

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#139 FlyingArmbar
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[QUOTE="DrSponge"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

The origin of mass ----> creator of mass ----> creator of everything -------> God.

Whatever created mass could be called God. That's what's so huge with this LHC deal and antimatter and all the rest of that mumbo jumbo.

zmbi_gmr

So this particle can be seen as a God? I think that's an interesting idea.

I agree, this is very interesting. I must admit this was also my first of hearing about the Higgs Boson AKA "The God Particle"

It can't be seen as god, in fact it doesn't have anything to do with god at all.

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#140 -_Rain_-
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I have no reason to believe you aren't just doing this to annoy me. I'll just repeat what I said since you're having such a fun time and likely didn't think of anything very much; What I am saying is there is no way of having (absolute) truth of any theological statement. We can all have beliefs, but believing yours is the undeniable truth is ridiculously ludicrous. NO, that does not mean I cannot with certainty say that if I drop a ball on earth it will fall down to the center of the earth accellerating at 9.8ms^2, that a sharp knife will cut off my finger when I screw up cutting my vegetables. These are simple truths, yet my argument is that any belief concerning theological or moral questions cannot be the Truth (capital T on purpose).MindFreeze
Your statement is an absolute one in the theological sense in and of itself, therefore your logic is as consistent as the mood of a bipolar meth addict. To say that no theological statement can be absolutely true is an absolute theological statement. So unless you'd like to wrap your head around the infantile concept that A cannot equal Not A, I'd suggest you not start accusing others of not thinking very much.
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#141 -_Rain_-
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[QUOTE="ImmoDuck"]You can't classify truths. There's no such thing as red truths, blue truths, or truths for theologists and truths for atheists. Truths are, in fact, absolute.foxhound_fox


Name some.

A cannot = Not A at the same time. All bachelors are unmarried. All triangles have three sides and three corners. The circumference of a circle is pi x diameter.
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#142 MindFreeze
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[QUOTE="MindFreeze"] I have no reason to believe you aren't just doing this to annoy me. I'll just repeat what I said since you're having such a fun time and likely didn't think of anything very much; What I am saying is there is no way of having (absolute) truth of any theological statement. We can all have beliefs, but believing yours is the undeniable truth is ridiculously ludicrous. NO, that does not mean I cannot with certainty say that if I drop a ball on earth it will fall down to the center of the earth accellerating at 9.8ms^2, that a sharp knife will cut off my finger when I screw up cutting my vegetables. These are simple truths, yet my argument is that any belief concerning theological or moral questions cannot be the Truth (capital T on purpose).-_Rain_-
Your statement is an absolute one in the theological sense in and of itself, therefore your logic is as consistent as the mood of a bipolar meth addict. To say that no theological statement can be absolutely true is an absolute theological statement. So unless you'd like to wrap your head around the infantile concept that A cannot equal Not A, I'd suggest you not start accusing others of not thinking very much.

You are still avoiding the fact that I am not making any claim of truth of the existence of any deity, an absolute moral stance, etc. It is completely different to analyse the claims and say no one can ever know. Ever heard of agnosticism?
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#143 MindFreeze
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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

[QUOTE="ImmoDuck"]You can't classify truths. There's no such thing as red truths, blue truths, or truths for theologists and truths for atheists. Truths are, in fact, absolute.-_Rain_-


Name some.

A cannot = Not A at the same time. All bachelors are unmarried. All triangles have three sides and three corners. The circumference of a circle is pi x diameter.

Again, these are conventional truths. Not claims of the existence of deities or other claims of that sort.

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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

[QUOTE="ImmoDuck"]You can't classify truths. There's no such thing as red truths, blue truths, or truths for theologists and truths for atheists. Truths are, in fact, absolute.-_Rain_-


Name some.

A cannot = Not A at the same time. All bachelors are unmarried. All triangles have three sides and three corners.

Also: 4+2=6, circles have no corners, and Will Ferrel just isn't funny.

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#145 foxhound_fox
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A cannot = Not A at the same time. All bachelors are unmarried. All triangles have three sides and three corners. The circumference of a circle is pi x diameter.-_Rain_-

Anything that isn't mathematics or semantic definitions?

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#146 -_Rain_-
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[QUOTE="-_Rain_-"][QUOTE="MindFreeze"] I have no reason to believe you aren't just doing this to annoy me. I'll just repeat what I said since you're having such a fun time and likely didn't think of anything very much; What I am saying is there is no way of having (absolute) truth of any theological statement. We can all have beliefs, but believing yours is the undeniable truth is ridiculously ludicrous. NO, that does not mean I cannot with certainty say that if I drop a ball on earth it will fall down to the center of the earth accellerating at 9.8ms^2, that a sharp knife will cut off my finger when I screw up cutting my vegetables. These are simple truths, yet my argument is that any belief concerning theological or moral questions cannot be the Truth (capital T on purpose).MindFreeze
Your statement is an absolute one in the theological sense in and of itself, therefore your logic is as consistent as the mood of a bipolar meth addict. To say that no theological statement can be absolutely true is an absolute theological statement. So unless you'd like to wrap your head around the infantile concept that A cannot equal Not A, I'd suggest you not start accusing others of not thinking very much.

You are still avoiding the fact that I am not making any claim of truth of the existence of any deity, an absolute moral stance, etc. It is completely different to analyse the claims and say no one can ever know. Ever heard of agnosticism?

You are making a claim of truth on the truth of theological statements; ergo, I don't care if you're talking about God or morality or whether or not Santa is an anagram for "Satan" because Santa is the Antichrist; you are making an absolute theological claim. Agnosticism is not what you are doing, since agnostics don't claim to know the truth and don't claim to know when others can know the truth.
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#147 ImmoDuck
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[QUOTE="-_Rain_-"][QUOTE="MindFreeze"] I have no reason to believe you aren't just doing this to annoy me. I'll just repeat what I said since you're having such a fun time and likely didn't think of anything very much; What I am saying is there is no way of having (absolute) truth of any theological statement. We can all have beliefs, but believing yours is the undeniable truth is ridiculously ludicrous. NO, that does not mean I cannot with certainty say that if I drop a ball on earth it will fall down to the center of the earth accellerating at 9.8ms^2, that a sharp knife will cut off my finger when I screw up cutting my vegetables. These are simple truths, yet my argument is that any belief concerning theological or moral questions cannot be the Truth (capital T on purpose).MindFreeze
Your statement is an absolute one in the theological sense in and of itself, therefore your logic is as consistent as the mood of a bipolar meth addict. To say that no theological statement can be absolutely true is an absolute theological statement. So unless you'd like to wrap your head around the infantile concept that A cannot equal Not A, I'd suggest you not start accusing others of not thinking very much.

You are still avoiding the fact that I am not making any claim of truth of the existence of any deity, an absolute moral stance, etc. It is completely different to analyse the claims and say no one can ever know. Ever heard of agnosticism?

Why can some things have truth but not others?

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#148 -_Rain_-
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[QUOTE="-_Rain_-"]A cannot = Not A at the same time. All bachelors are unmarried. All triangles have three sides and three corners. The circumference of a circle is pi x diameter.foxhound_fox


Anything that isn't mathematics or semantic definitions?

A rose by another name is a rose.
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#149 -_Rain_-
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[QUOTE="-_Rain_-"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]
Name some.

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A cannot = Not A at the same time. All bachelors are unmarried. All triangles have three sides and three corners. The circumference of a circle is pi x diameter.

Again, these are conventional truths. Not claims of the existence of deities or other claims of that sort.

If I think, I exist.
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#150 metroidfood
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Omg, I just got so many comebacks to my Athiest friends :D

Wait, the Higgs Bosom (Or whatever) was the first particle im assuming? so its apart of the particle THEORY , so the Higgs Bosom is apart of the big bang THEORY

So your guys are just as wrong as the non-athiests, as you cant really prove anything because it is a THEORY. You can correct me, but dont flame, I'm not an expert on the subject.

Tagerh

Yeah! And call them out on believing in the THEORY of Gravity, Cell THEORY, Germ THEORY... Wait a minute...

Also, where is this Higgs Bosom? Is it big? :D