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Yea well those muslims should really put it in another place. Whoever even decided to put it that close knew what they were doing and knew it would cause trouble/protest by many people, and yet, instead of finding a more appropriate place they go ahead and place it there. Then that obama stands up and defends them like the true terrorist he is.

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#52 Netherscourge
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It's amazing how shallow and stupid people have become in this country.

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Yea well those muslims should really put it in another place. Whoever even decided to put it that close knew what they were doing and knew it would cause trouble/protest by many people, and yet, instead of finding a more appropriate place they go ahead and place it there. Then that obama stands up and defends them like the true terrorist he is.

Espada12


Hahaha, alright I have a question for you, what if it was a bunch of Christian extremists who were responsible for 9/11, and a group of christians wanted to build a church near ground zero. Would you still have the same opinion?

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#54 Espada12
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[QUOTE="Espada12"]

Yea well those muslims should really put it in another place. Whoever even decided to put it that close knew what they were doing and knew it would cause trouble/protest by many people, and yet, instead of finding a more appropriate place they go ahead and place it there. Then that obama stands up and defends them like the true terrorist he is.

carrot-cake


Hahaha, alright I have a question for you, what if it was a bunch of Christian extremists who were responsible for 9/11, and a group of christians wanted to build a church near ground zero. Would you still have the same opinion?

Yes I would :|

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Yea well those muslims should really put it in another place. Whoever even decided to put it that close knew what they were doing and knew it would cause trouble/protest by many people, and yet, instead of finding a more appropriate place they go ahead and place it there. Then that obama stands up and defends them like the true terrorist he is.

Espada12
Yep, true terrorists sure are crazy about that First Amendment. How dare Obama uphold the Constitution! He's acting like he swore an oath to do so or something. They also should have known not to build an Islamic community centre three blocks from Ground Zero at a former Burlington Coat Factory. Obviously it was just to cause trouble. It's not like, say, the Pentagon has a Mosque or anything and this is all just a political ploy for election season.
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[QUOTE="carrot-cake"]

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

Yea well those muslims should really put it in another place. Whoever even decided to put it that close knew what they were doing and knew it would cause trouble/protest by many people, and yet, instead of finding a more appropriate place they go ahead and place it there. Then that obama stands up and defends them like the true terrorist he is.

Espada12


Hahaha, alright I have a question for you, what if it was a bunch of Christian extremists who were responsible for 9/11, and a group of christians wanted to build a church near ground zero. Would you still have the same opinion?

Yes I would :|

So we should punish a religon for what a group of radicals have done ?

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[QUOTE="Nauron-"][QUOTE="Danm_999"] I do hope there isn't too much fallout from all this.Danm_999

im stumped :P

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

Yea well those muslims should really put it in another place. Whoever even decided to put it that close knew what they were doing and knew it would cause trouble/protest by many people, and yet, instead of finding a more appropriate place they go ahead and place it there. Then that obama stands up and defends them like the true terrorist he is.

carrot-cake


Hahaha, alright I have a question for you, what if it was a bunch of Christian extremists who were responsible for 9/11, and a group of christians wanted to build a church near ground zero. Would you still have the same opinion?

couldnt agree more. But you know, about this topic, its just too stupid and funny that it stops being offending (im a muslim btw)

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Yea well those muslims should really put it in another place. Whoever even decided to put it that close knew what they were doing and knew it would cause trouble/protest by many people, and yet, instead of finding a more appropriate place they go ahead and place it there. Then that obama stands up and defends them like the true terrorist he is.

Espada12

The 1st Amendment of the Constitutiondefends them.

If you'd like to get rid of the Freedom of Religion, then you might as well tear up the whole document.

If you'd like a President to ignore the US constitution, then I suggest you turn to a foreign dictator. Fidel Castro or Kim Jong-Il should suffice for you.

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[QUOTE="Espada12"]

Yea well those muslims should really put it in another place. Whoever even decided to put it that close knew what they were doing and knew it would cause trouble/protest by many people, and yet, instead of finding a more appropriate place they go ahead and place it there. Then that obama stands up and defends them like the true terrorist he is.

Danm_999

Yep, true terrorists sure are crazy about that First Amendment. How dare Obama uphold the Constitution! He's acting like he swore an oath to do so or something. They also should have known not to build an Islamic community centre three blocks from Ground Zero at a former Burlington Coat Factory. Obviously it was just to cause trouble. It's not like, say, the Pentagon has a Mosque or anything and this is all just a political ploy for election season.

I am not asking him to ban the building of the mosque, just let them build it somewhere else. Hell there's even one somewhere close around there, why do they need another?

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[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="carrot-cake"]
Hahaha, alright I have a question for you, what if it was a bunch of Christian extremists who were responsible for 9/11, and a group of christians wanted to build a church near ground zero. Would you still have the same opinion?

raiden509

Yes I would :|

So we should punish a religon for what a group of radicals have done ?

Pushing them by doing what? Tell you to build the mosque somewhere else? oooohhhh sounds like such harsh punishment!!!!!!!

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This has to be a joke. The world should be imploding from the amount of irony with the phrase "Religion Preying on Freedom" being 2 inches above "regulatethem.com". JML897

I'm glad I wasn't the only one who noticed that.

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#62 Danm_999
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[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

Yea well those muslims should really put it in another place. Whoever even decided to put it that close knew what they were doing and knew it would cause trouble/protest by many people, and yet, instead of finding a more appropriate place they go ahead and place it there. Then that obama stands up and defends them like the true terrorist he is.

Espada12

Yep, true terrorists sure are crazy about that First Amendment. How dare Obama uphold the Constitution! He's acting like he swore an oath to do so or something. They also should have known not to build an Islamic community centre three blocks from Ground Zero at a former Burlington Coat Factory. Obviously it was just to cause trouble. It's not like, say, the Pentagon has a Mosque or anything and this is all just a political ploy for election season.

I am not asking him to ban the building of the mosque, just let them build it somewhere else. Hell there's even one somewhere close around there, why do they need another?

It's three blocks away from Ground Zero; why is that innappropriate? Does it suddenly become ok at five blocks or something?
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#63 Oleg_Huzwog
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Now, that is how you troll.

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[QUOTE="carrot-cake"]

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

Yea well those muslims should really put it in another place. Whoever even decided to put it that close knew what they were doing and knew it would cause trouble/protest by many people, and yet, instead of finding a more appropriate place they go ahead and place it there. Then that obama stands up and defends them like the true terrorist he is.

Espada12


Hahaha, alright I have a question for you, what if it was a bunch of Christian extremists who were responsible for 9/11, and a group of christians wanted to build a church near ground zero. Would you still have the same opinion?

Yes I would :|


So you would punish an entire religion just because of a group of crazies? Well then, according to that logic you must dispise the constitution and would love to see it burned. I know you didn't say that, but you are implying it in your restriction of freedom of religion. Freedom, you know, something that America stands, well, at least stood for.

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It's three blocks away from Ground Zero; why is that innappropriate? Does it suddenly become ok at five blocks or something?Danm_999

Yes, the further the better, if I built a nazi shrine in the middle of london people would never stand for that. To them a mosque so close to ground zero is the same thing.

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So you would punish an entire religion just because of a group of crazies? Well then, according to that logic you must dispise the constitution and would love to see it burned. I know you didn't say that, but you are implying it in your restriction of freedom of religion. Freedom, you know, something that America stands, well, at least stood for.

carrot-cake

What is this punishment? Not allowing you to build there and not allowing you to build at all is two different things.

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[QUOTE="carrot-cake"]

So you would punish an entire religion just because of a group of crazies? Well then, according to that logic you must dispise the constitution and would love to see it burned. I know you didn't say that, but you are implying it in your restriction of freedom of religion. Freedom, you know, something that America stands, well, at least stood for.

Espada12

What is this punishment? Not allowing you to build there and not allowing you to build at all is two different things.

Your restricting freedom when not allowing them to build the mosque there.

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I find it disgusting that they want to build a mosque where ground zero is, do they have no shame?

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[QUOTE="Danm_999"]

It's three blocks away from Ground Zero; why is that innappropriate? Does it suddenly become ok at five blocks or something?Espada12

Yes, the further the better, if I built a nazi shrine in the middle of london people would never stand for that. To them a mosque so close to ground zero is the same thing.

Good God what a faulty analogy. The Nazi Party was responsible for the Holocaust and Axis aggression in WW2; Muslims are not universally responsible for 9/11.Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda are. If they were planning to build an Al Qaeda base you might have a point; they aren't though.

To use a correct analogy, it's like opposing a German embassy in London because of the Blitz.

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[QUOTE="carrot-cake"]

So you would punish an entire religion just because of a group of crazies? Well then, according to that logic you must dispise the constitution and would love to see it burned. I know you didn't say that, but you are implying it in your restriction of freedom of religion. Freedom, you know, something that America stands, well, at least stood for.

Espada12

What is this punishment? Not allowing you to build there and not allowing you to build at all is two different things.

The former easily leads to the latter. People can build and worship wherever they want.
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I find it disgusting that they want to build a mosque where ground zero is, do they have no shame?

AgentFreaks
It's not at Ground Zero.
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#72 carrot-cake
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[QUOTE="carrot-cake"]

So you would punish an entire religion just because of a group of crazies? Well then, according to that logic you must dispise the constitution and would love to see it burned. I know you didn't say that, but you are implying it in your restriction of freedom of religion. Freedom, you know, something that America stands, well, at least stood for.

Espada12

What is this punishment? Not allowing you to build there and not allowing you to build at all is two different things.


In this case they are the same thing because you are restricting their right and freedom to build a mosque where it is not against the law to do so. The punishment is singling them out, why should only they be forced to build x many blocks away and others not?

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[QUOTE="Danm_999"]

It's three blocks away from Ground Zero; why is that innappropriate? Does it suddenly become ok at five blocks or something?Espada12

Yes, the further the better, if I built a nazi shrine in the middle of london people would never stand for that. To them a mosque so close to ground zero is the same thing.

And they are wrong. We should not as a country entertain wrong ideas.
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[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="Danm_999"]

It's three blocks away from Ground Zero; why is that innappropriate? Does it suddenly become ok at five blocks or something?Danm_999

Yes, the further the better, if I built a nazi shrine in the middle of london people would never stand for that. To them a mosque so close to ground zero is the same thing.

Good God what a faulty analogy. The Nazi Party was responsible for the Holocaust and Axis aggression in WW2; Muslims are not universally responsible for 9/11.Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda are. If they were planning to build an Al Qaeda base you might have a point; they aren't though.

To use a correct analogy, it's like opposing a German embassy in London because of the Blitz.

Not all nazis were responsible for the Holocaust and Axis aggression. :|

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That pic in the OP has definite potential....



Either that or i'm bored....>.>

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[QUOTE="Danm_999"]

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

Yes, the further the better, if I built a nazi shrine in the middle of london people would never stand for that. To them a mosque so close to ground zero is the same thing.

Espada12

Good God what a faulty analogy. The Nazi Party was responsible for the Holocaust and Axis aggression in WW2; Muslims are not universally responsible for 9/11.Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda are. If they were planning to build an Al Qaeda base you might have a point; they aren't though.

To use a correct analogy, it's like opposing a German embassy in London because of the Blitz.

Not all nazis were responsible for the Holocaust and Axis aggression. :|


Well then.

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[QUOTE="Danm_999"]

It's three blocks away from Ground Zero; why is that innappropriate? Does it suddenly become ok at five blocks or something?Espada12

Yes, the further the better, if I built a nazi shrine in the middle of london people would never stand for that. To them a mosque so close to ground zero is the same thing.

What if a GERMAN shrine was built in the middle of London? I mean, MOST Nazis were Germans, right?

So by your reasoning, all Germans are Nazis and should be branded with Swaztikas.

AMIRITE?

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#78 Espada12
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[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="carrot-cake"]

So you would punish an entire religion just because of a group of crazies? Well then, according to that logic you must dispise the constitution and would love to see it burned. I know you didn't say that, but you are implying it in your restriction of freedom of religion. Freedom, you know, something that America stands, well, at least stood for.

Theokhoth

What is this punishment? Not allowing you to build there and not allowing you to build at all is two different things.

The former easily leads to the latter. People can build and worship wherever they want.

I disagree the former certainly doesn't lead to the latter, and yea they can build wherever they want doesn't mean I agree with it or think it's right and I believe they should not be allowed to.

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#79 Danm_999
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[QUOTE="Danm_999"]

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

Yes, the further the better, if I built a nazi shrine in the middle of london people would never stand for that. To them a mosque so close to ground zero is the same thing.

Espada12

Good God what a faulty analogy. The Nazi Party was responsible for the Holocaust and Axis aggression in WW2; Muslims are not universally responsible for 9/11.Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda are. If they were planning to build an Al Qaeda base you might have a point; they aren't though.

To use a correct analogy, it's like opposing a German embassy in London because of the Blitz.

Not all nazis were responsible for the Holocaust and Axis aggression. :|

It's clear I'm talking to someone with a very tenous grasp on reality.

Yes, all Nazis are responsible for the Holocaust and Axis aggression; they were part of a movement which advocated and supported anti-Semitism and German supremacy.

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#80 Pixel-Pirate
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[QUOTE="raiden509"]

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

Yes I would :|

Espada12

So we should punish a religon for what a group of radicals have done ?

Pushing them by doing what? Tell you to build the mosque somewhere else? oooohhhh sounds like such harsh punishment!!!!!!!

It would be if you arn't paying them the money needed to change the blueprint of the entire building, and buy a new plot of land for them.

These things arn't free or cheap.

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#81 Theokhoth
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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

What is this punishment? Not allowing you to build there and not allowing you to build at all is two different things.

Espada12

The former easily leads to the latter. People can build and worship wherever they want.

I disagree the former certainly doesn't lead to the latter, and yea they can build wherever they want doesn't mean I agree with it or think it's right and I believe they should not be allowed to.

Telling people where they can worship doesn't lead to telling people they can't worship at all?
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What if a GERMAN shrine was built in the middle of London? I mean, MOST Nazis were Germans, right?

So by your reasoning, all Germans are Nazis and should be branded with Swaztikas.

AMIRITE?

Netherscourge

How did you arrive at this conclusion?

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#83 Theokhoth
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[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="raiden509"]

So we should punish a religon for what a group of radicals have done ?

Pixel-Pirate

Pushing them by doing what? Tell you to build the mosque somewhere else? oooohhhh sounds like such harsh punishment!!!!!!!

It would be if you arn't paying them the money needed to change the blueprint of the entire building, and buy a new plot of land for them.

These things arn't free or cheap.

I'm sure he and all the other Conservatives rallying against this would happily contribute their tax dollars toward another, more acceptable site for the community center.
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Where can I get a tank?

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#85 Espada12
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Telling people where they can worship doesn't lead to telling people they can't worship at all?Theokhoth

Nope, unless of course you have evidence to the contrary.

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Don't worry 9/11 was an inside job the government buildings there must be taken down.

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[QUOTE="carrot-cake"]

So you would punish an entire religion just because of a group of crazies? Well then, according to that logic you must dispise the constitution and would love to see it burned. I know you didn't say that, but you are implying it in your restriction of freedom of religion. Freedom, you know, something that America stands, well, at least stood for.

Espada12

What is this punishment? Not allowing you to build there and not allowing you to build at all is two different things.

Who should stop them?

The governments hands are tied, my friend. They cannot do anything about it even if they wanted to.

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[QUOTE="Netherscourge"]

What if a GERMAN shrine was built in the middle of London? I mean, MOST Nazis were Germans, right?

So by your reasoning, all Germans are Nazis and should be branded with Swaztikas.

AMIRITE?

Espada12

How did you arrive at this conclusion?

It'd probably be the logic that led you to compare Muslims being a community centre in New York to Nazi's building a Nazi shrine in London.
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#89 Theokhoth
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Telling people where they can worship doesn't lead to telling people they can't worship at all?Espada12

Nope, unless of course you have evidence to the contrary.

All of human history? That whole "Mayflower" thing?
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Blocking the mosque is a victory for the terrorists.

Because they will have forced American's to ignore their own Constitution in the name activist extremism.

...which is what these anti-Mosque people are supposedly against in the first place.

Talk about irony.

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[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="Netherscourge"]

What if a GERMAN shrine was built in the middle of London? I mean, MOST Nazis were Germans, right?

So by your reasoning, all Germans are Nazis and should be branded with Swaztikas.

AMIRITE?

Danm_999

How did you arrive at this conclusion?

It'd probably be the logic that led you to compare Muslims being a community centre in New York to Nazi's building a Nazi shrine in London.

I compared the way people FEEL in both scenarios.

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#92 Theokhoth
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Blocking the mosque is a victory for the terrorists.

Because they will have forced American's to ignore their own Constitution in the name activist extremism.

...which is what these anti-Mosque people are supposedly against in the first place.

Talk about irony.

Netherscourge
The terrorists have already won; they're already using this debacle as proof that America hates Muslims and recruiting more people to their causes.
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#93 Espada12
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[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Telling people where they can worship doesn't lead to telling people they can't worship at all?Theokhoth

Nope, unless of course you have evidence to the contrary.

All of human history? That whole "Mayflower" thing?

You really need to be more detailed, because I've heard of people outright discriminating against religions, I've never heard of tolerance leading up to prohibition.

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#94 Pixel-Pirate
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[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

Pushing them by doing what? Tell you to build the mosque somewhere else? oooohhhh sounds like such harsh punishment!!!!!!!

Theokhoth

It would be if you arn't paying them the money needed to change the blueprint of the entire building, and buy a new plot of land for them.

These things arn't free or cheap.

I'm sure he and all the other Conservatives rallying against this would happily contribute their tax dollars toward another, more acceptable site for the community center.

I've suggested this numerous times. That if the city of new yorks citizens are so dead set against this, then they should pay to buy the land from the owners with tax dollars.

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#95 Espada12
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Blocking the mosque is a victory for the terrorists.

Because they will have forced American's to ignore their own Constitution in the name activist extremism.

...which is what these anti-Mosque people are supposedly against in the first place.

Talk about irony.

Netherscourge

And if you allow the most it would look like a victory for terrorist as well, I do not see your point.

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[QUOTE="Netherscourge"]

Blocking the mosque is a victory for the terrorists.

Because they will have forced American's to ignore their own Constitution in the name activist extremism.

...which is what these anti-Mosque people are supposedly against in the first place.

Talk about irony.

Theokhoth

The terrorists have already won; they're already using this debacle as proof that America hates Muslims and recruiting more people to their causes.


I'd have to agree, look at the airports, people's mentallity on simple comments such as the one said by that Pakistani military officer, the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, increased Islamophobia, PATRIOT act, etc.

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#97 Theokhoth
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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

Nope, unless of course you have evidence to the contrary.

Espada12

All of human history? That whole "Mayflower" thing?

You really need to be more detailed, because I've heard of people outright discriminating against religions, I've never heard of tolerance leading up to prohibition.

Telling people where they can and can't worship (in regards to their own property) is hardly tolerance. The people of the Mayflower weren't allowed to practice their own religions; that's why they left in the first place. Another example: Rome. At first, Jews were allowed to practice their religion relatively freely; then Christianity came in and relocated the Jews to the outskirts of the city, then they told them to GTFO altogether.
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#98 Danm_999
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I compared the way people FEEL in both scenarios.

Espada12

You compared you the way you feel actually. Believe it or not, most people don't feel Muslims are as culpable of atrocities as Nazi's.

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#99 Theokhoth
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[QUOTE="Netherscourge"]

Blocking the mosque is a victory for the terrorists.

Because they will have forced American's to ignore their own Constitution in the name activist extremism.

...which is what these anti-Mosque people are supposedly against in the first place.

Talk about irony.

Espada12

And if you allow the most it would look like a victory for terrorist as well, I do not see your point.

Here's the difference: on one hand, it LOOKS like the terrorists won; in the other, the terrorists ACTUALLY won.
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#100 testfactor888
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[QUOTE="Espada12"]

I compared the way people FEEL in both scenarios.

Danm_999

You compared you the way you feel actually. Believe it or not, most people don't feel Muslims are as culpable of atrocities as Nazi's.

Thank you. I actually got annoyed when he brought up Nazi's earlier and I have been sitting here just unable to believe what he is writing