Anyone conceal carry on the daily?

I like this fairy tale idea that conceal carrying is going to somehow magically make you safe when out and about.

Having a gun in the home is one thing when you can then have the opportunity to get the jump on an intruder, but when you are out and about WTF are you going to do? Pull a gun out on someone because they are walking your way? If you get held up are you going to attempt some movie shit and try and pull your gun out on the person to turn the tables? That is a good way to get yourself shot.

It just seems to me that having a gun on you when getting into something like a mugging situation is only going to complicate things in your attackers favor. The whole reason that people get hurt on the street is because they get surprised by their attackers. Having a gun on you when you get surprised someone isn't a great thing when they person can take your gun and use it against you after getting the jump on you.

Then there's the very big issue of your pulling a gun on someone is going to immediately escalate the situation and make it much more likely that your attacker is going to go for the kill if they have the means. When you pull out your weapon you are basically putting your attacker into a situation where they are going to NEED to take you out. If you get held up they might take your money but they also might just let you live at least after.

I think most people who turn to guns for outside protection are forgetting that the utmost important thing that is going to save your ass more than anything is to just keep aware of your surroundings and not put yourself into dangerous situations to begin with and a gun helps with neither of those things. I personally like to walk to my car with my keys in hand in case anyone ever did try and jump me. Even car keys could make for a nice weapon as I could use them to jab into an attackers face, specifically their eyes. A street confrontation is almost always going to happen in melee distance anyways and guns aren't terribly good in those close quarters where the person is going to be in your face.

I honestly would prefer a knife for street protection over a gun ans I just see a gun being a lot more impractical in that situation and a much bigger danger to MYSELF having it on me.

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Why would you ever wish someone who carries a firearm would hurt themselves? You're a pretty shitty human being if you want something like that to happen.

I dont carry guns around on streets because I dont feel like I should decide on behalf of all the human beings around me that I have the right to start popping shots off as and when I decide. Its selfish, dangerous, inconsiderate....I could go on.

On a similar train of thought if people who carry guns around the streets wind up getting themselves shot as a direct result of carrying those guns....I wont lose any sleep. You cant carry a gun and get all disgraced and appalled when people dont get upset about you getting shot.

Im not wishing those who carry weapons in the line of duty any harm because this is very much a different scenario to the onle discussed in this topic.

You can dress it up all you want. You are still saying you wish people who carry guns to defend themselves get shot. That is an abhorrent thing to say and you should be ashamed of yourself.

"Well by carrying a gun you make a selfish decision to take people lives into your own hands"

Driving a car is demonstrably more dangerous. Have you ever driven a car? Talk about selfish...

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"Im not wishing those who carry weapons in the line of duty any harm"

Yes you are. You said it yourself. You told me "I hope ... that you cheddar bob yourself."

Anyway, your claim is that it is selfish to do something that puts others at risk, yet you choose to do something that puts countless others at risk. That's a silly and indefensible double standard.

How would you feel if I told you that I hope you and your family die in a horrible car wreck because you driving puts me at risk?

"society has placed that responsibility on your shoulders and you have trained and been educated"

Then why do you want me to "cheddar bob" myself? You've made a number of disgusting and inflammatory comments in this thread so far. You need to start acting like an adult and knock that off. Maybe it would do you well to seek some mental health counselling to help you with your violent desires.

"It doesnt mean every civilian should carry daily thats two separate issues"

It certainly doesn't, no one is saying that every civilian should carry. Try to stay on topic.

"Its selfish to carry a lethal weapon on the off chance you feel in danger."

Ok, no one is saying that's why anyone can, should, or does carry guns. Again, try to stay on topic.

I'm not sure why you insist on comparing guns to cars. You need to try to comprehend what I am saying, not keep trying to hear what you want to hear. Again, I AM NOT COMPARING GUNS TO CARS. I am comparing the THREAT that one presents to your family to the threat that the other does. YOU are the one that chose to frame the argument in terms of the threat that something presents your family, not me. The simple fact is that if you were honestly concerned about what is a threat to your family, the issue of LAWFULLY CARRIED concealed weapons wouldn't even be on your radar. The amount of gun crime committed by those lawfully carrying concealed weapons is minutely negligible. You're using your family's safety in a pawn to make a poorly thought-out argument on a topic that you are clearly quite ignorant about.

The primary function of a car is not to kill and maim. Nor can I conceal one.

• Alaska: 144 gun deaths, 71 motor vehicle deaths
• Arizona: 931 gun deaths, 795 motor vehicle deaths
• Colorado: 555 gun deaths, 487 motor vehicle deaths
• District of Columbia: 99 gun deaths, 38 motor vehicle deaths
• Illinois: 1,064 gun deaths, 1,042 motor vehicle deaths
• Louisiana: 864 gun deaths, 722 motor vehicle deaths
• Maryland: 538 gun deaths, 514 motor vehicle deaths
• Michigan: 1,076 gun deaths, 1,063 motor vehicle deaths
• Nevada: 395 gun deaths, 289 motor vehicle deaths
• Oregon: 458 gun deaths, 324 motor vehicle deaths
• Utah: 314 gun deaths, 274 motor vehicle deaths
• Virginia: 875 gun deaths, 728 motor vehicle deaths
• Washington: 609 gun deaths, 554 motor vehicle deaths

This is excluding the obvious fact that cars are intended to transport not to kill.

All of the gun deaths would be avoidable if people simply gave up their weapons. The motor vehicle deaths are also avoidable, only if people choose to give up their cars.

I would rather live in a world without guns than a world without personal motor vehicles, each to their own.

"The threat of a gun is considerably more threatening than that of a motor vehicle."

It's simply not. The numbers show us that. When we talk about lawfully carried concealed weapons that gad becomes even larger.

Here in the real world, where I live, it's clear and obvious that cars present a greater threat than a lawfully carried concealed weapon. If you want to outlaw one of those things, you are free to feel that way. But to argue that a gun presents a greater threat to the safety of your family is simply out of touch with reality. Facts and numbers show otherwise.

"I cant shelter and protect my family from cars because they are essential."

You certainly can. Move far away from any roads and walk everywhere. It's not realistic, but it's defiantly possible. Keep in mind, too, that you can't prevent people from carrying concealed weapons.

"But your constant comparisons to cars and chewing gum do nothing for your argument."

Again, I AM NOT COMPARING THOSE THINGS.

I am sorry, but that's complete bullshit. The overwhelming majority of gun violence in the US is committed by gangs against other gangs, and they're not going to give up their guns or be constricted by any laws; this isn't fucking Britain or Australia where we're surrounded on all sides by water--we have porous borders that guarantee weapons will get in if there's demand. Wanna guess why Arizona has such high gun deaths? Because Phoenix is the central distribution chain for the Sinaloa cartel in the US. ****, my neighbors (kids and all) were all gunned down in what was very likely a cartel related hit given that it happened when I was awake and at the computer, yet no one heard gun shots. And I live in white, middle-class-as **** suburbia. Same with Illinois, Louisiana, and Michigan--all states with enormous gang populations (New Orleans, Detroit, and Chicago). You seem to think that it's you're average joe-schmo who conceal carries that typically causes people to die as a result of a stray bullet--ugh no! it's the fucking gang bangers who can't aim worth shit, and who shoot up their rivals at a public park--those are the fuckers who are primarily responsible for people getting hit by stray bullets.

Nothing will magically make you safe when you're out and about. To a trained individual, however, a gun can make all the difference.

As for your street confrontation scenario. Most handgun incidents occur within seven meters. So a handgun would be pretty handy(no pun intended) in a close-quarters situation. It's the reason cops are armed with handguns, since most interactions take place in that small distance.

I am sorry, but that's complete bullshit. The overwhelming majority of gun violence in the US is committed by gangs against other gangs, and they're not going to give up their guns or be constricted by any laws; this isn't fucking Britain or Australia where we're surrounded on all sides by water--we have porous borders that guarantee weapons will get in if there's demand. Wanna guess why Arizona has such high gun deaths? Because Phoenix is the central distribution chain for the Sinaloa cartel in the US. ****, my neighbors (kids and all) were all gunned down in what was very likely a cartel related hit given that it happened when I was awake and at the computer, yet no one heard gun shots. And I live in white, middle-class-as **** suburbia. Same with Illinois, Louisiana, and Michigan--all states with enormous gang populations (New Orleans, Detroit, and Chicago). You seem to think that it's you're average joe-schmo who conceal carries that typically causes people to die as a result of a stray bullet--ugh no! it's the fucking gang bangers who can't aim worth shit, and who shoot up their rivals at a public park--those are the fuckers who are primarily responsible for people getting hit by stray bullets.

Note that you are specifying most HANDGUN incidents.

My main reason that I feel conceal carrying is kind of silly for civilians is that when someone attacks you on the street, it is going to be them sneaking up on you and attacking you very close. I would think that the chances that you will be able to use your gun properly are slim to none in a street attack. The encounter is pretty much guaranteed to happen in arms length which is why I would rather turn to a knife instead. In those quarters it is going to be very hard to get a proper shot off with a gun and then there is the chance of you getting disarmed before being able to pull off a shot and now your attacker has a gun on you.

Officers carry guns because they are responding to such crazy scenarios, but the thing is those officers are also going to be aware that they are walking into a situation to begin with, and can be properly prepared to use their weapons. They also undergo tons of training to know how to react in different situations.

People talk about more guns being a good solution to mass shootings which to me is a very dumb idea as well. We have police officers around who get trained to be able to read situations and know how to handle them. I really dislike the idea of a bunch of idiots packing heat in a chaotic situation like a mass shooting. I could see people panic shooting innocent people amidst such a crazy scenario....

At the very least, I do see conceal carrying as being a big step up over open carry which is just one of the most obnoxiously dumb ideas around in my mind.

Well by carrying a gun you make a selfish decision to take people lives into your own hands so why should I value their life more than they value mine? I could wind up dead as a result of SOMEONE ELSE deciding THEY need a gun yet I am expected to get upset if THEY get shot. Not a chance.

Shame is something I would feel if I condoned people caring weapons on the street. Hoping they dont is something I am very proud of. Im satisfied with your judgement of me, its not something I will lose sleep over either.

Most people aren't going to pull a gun if someone already has one on them. Coming from experience, despite what some people may say, people would rather live than lose their wallet.

But I don't think it's fair that you are basically boiling things down to one type of incident. Nothing EVER happens that simply and there are many other ways in which a gun would be useful.

Police officers don't have the best response times. More trained individuals with guns is definitely a good thing.

I dislike the idea of being told when and how I can defend myself, which is what this kind of comes down to: Do we allow people to carry concealed and defend themselves or do we tell them they don't have that right and that they have to rely on police. As it stands, the incidents of ILLEGAL gun use far outweigh the incidents of legal gun owners.

Actually, I take your life into my hands by the simple fact that I'm a cop. You could wind up dead doing anything. Not sure how someone carrying concealed makes any difference in the matter.

Only someone who is mentally unstable would wish someone else got hurt when they aren't even doing anything to hurt you. You're a sick individual.

"I never took issue with the police and armed forces using firearms"

Yes you did. You said "I hope...that you cheddar bob yourself", among other disgusting and inflammatory things.

"You can call me sick all you like, but you dont know me."

The fact that you want to see other people injured because they choose to do something that puts your family at less risk that they things that you do around your family is pretty sick. One doesn't have to know you to recognize that.

"Are you sure you['re] a policeman???"

No, and I've not said that I am.

I'm not being pissy about anything, haha. You're the one insulting those who disagree with you and wishing them serious injury. Grow up kiddo.

You came into a thread about carrying a weapon to insult those participating in conversation and wish them injury(then deny doing so). Maybe you're the one that should go.